Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita - Ch. 78 - Silent Anger

[flannan]

"The writing was always bad!" is not the defense you seem to think it is.

The writing was never bad. It just appeals to common people like me, and not to fancy-pants critics.

 

[Outflanks10]

Rip and tear!

Thanks everyone at LHTranslation for the translation

 

[Swagner]

The writing was never bad. It just appeals to common people like me, and not to fancy-pants critics.

"common people like you?" LOL, let's not act like reading isekai manga is mainstream. What we are looking at right now is wish-fulfillment for the lowest common denominator of an already niche subculture. And yes, heaping evil onto the villain-of-the-week with a trowel just for the sake of giving the protagonist someone to brutally dismember is bad (or at least lazy) writing.

 

[Swagner]

"I'm too dumb to stop reading a series I think is bad!" Is not the counter point you think it is

There is a difference between "the writing is bad" and "the series has literally nothing to like". Maybe try projecting a little less, life's a lot more fun when you can both acknowledge that something has flaws and still derive some enjoyment from it, rather than trying to convince yourself that everything you like is beyond criticism...

 

[Lioslin]

There is a difference between "the writing is bad" and "the series has literally nothing to like". Maybe try projecting a little less, life's a lot more fun when you can both acknowledge that something has flaws and still derive some enjoyment from it, rather than trying to convince yourself that everything you like is beyond criticism...

Saying the writing is bad with no answer as to how it could be better is lazy criticism be sure to keep polishing your mirror you've done an excellent job with it so far

 

[eviljackspicer]

Okay, you know who was legit evil without being cartoony?
Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame's Frollo. He was grounded in reality. Powerful politically, calculating, army at hand, and had a religious zealotry to justify his actions. He had no magic powers at all and still made him one of the most loathed villain's I can think of.

 

[Swagner]

Saying the writing is bad with no answer as to how it could be better is lazy criticism

Just because you don't understand what people are saying and brush it off as "moral grandstanding" doesn't mean it's "lazy criticism". Try responding to what people are actually saying if you want them to bother giving you more detailed responses in the future.

 

[Lioslin]

Just because you don't understand what people are saying and brush it off as "moral grandstanding" doesn't mean it's "lazy criticism". Try responding to what people are actually saying if you want them to bother giving you more detailed responses in the future.

Ah so you finally come out with what really had you ass mad. Moral grandstanding. You are ass mad about me calling it moral grandstanding and you took this many messages to say it. Even though it was not directed at you since you had not even commented on this thread until well after I had. Since I have sincere doubts you will take an actual crack at "fixing" the issues you personally have with this series I will do the work for you.

"I feel like this manga is too on the nose about showing the bad guys doing bad things too much" "I think it would be better if they waited until the final moment to reveal just how bad they are so that you are questioning whether or not this really is the bad guy or not" "I think this would add to the mystery and suspense of who the bad guy of the arc is" "I hope with this kind of different variety in approach to the villain of the week will remove the staleness I see in the bad guy of the series"

I feel this is a poor example but given your zero input on how to "fix" the issues you personally find with this manga you claim has some enjoyment to derive from it I think that it is fine to leave it at that workshop level. This of course is under the belief you were not just arguing in the comment section for the sake of arguing in the comment section

 

[komachi29]

Just because you don't understand what people are saying and brush it off as "moral grandstanding" doesn't mean it's "lazy criticism". Try responding to what people are actually saying if you want them to bother giving you more detailed responses in the future.

"Try responding to what people are actually saying if you want them to bother giving you more detailed responses in the future."
you saying something ?i thought you got mental episode there

 

[komachi29]

Ah so you finally come out with what really had you ass mad. Moral grandstanding. You are ass mad about me calling it moral grandstanding and you took this many messages to say it. Even though it was not directed at you since you had not even commented on this thread until well after I had. Since I have sincere doubts you will take an actual crack at "fixing" the issues you personally have with this series I will do the work for you.

"I feel like this manga is too on the nose about showing the bad guys doing bad things too much" "I think it would be better if they waited until the final moment to reveal just how bad they are so that you are questioning whether or not this really is the bad guy or not" "I think this would add to the mystery and suspense of who the bad guy of the arc is" "I hope with this kind of different variety in approach to the villain of the week will remove the staleness I see in the bad guy of the series"

I feel this is a poor example but given your zero input on how to "fix" the issues you personally find with this manga you claim has some enjoyment to derive from it I think that it is fine to leave it at that workshop level. This of course is under the belief you were not just arguing in the comment section for the sake of arguing in the comment section

lmao, i proved it 3 times already this group of brain damage can't actually think or have actual criticism.
i'm almost convince it's just one moron using different account everytime they got cornered.

 

[RyuhaOokami]

And here I am simply enjoying the catgirl and the sword as I wait for the next arcs and anime.

Just a word I want to say and I do hope to not offend anyone, but if you would like to fix it, firstly I think you should remember thst Fran is simply 12 years old, give her a complicated villain and she may even not want to hurt them.

Give her a over evil villain, and she will mincemeat them.

I overall came for Fran since the firsts chapters and I will stay for her. It does bring me a smile.

 

[Kvngneptune]

The series is violent and so is the real world. Okay? And?

As AnotherDuck said, it was a one-off throwaway panel; only used as cheap shock factor to establish the bad guy (who has already been established as the bad guy) is, in fact, the bad guy, and you shouldn't like him because he does this.
Might as well have named him 'Evil McEvilface'

But the whole point of this series is the slavery in that world. Fran herself wouldve met the same end as that woman if she hadn't found our sword mc. Slavery is absolutely vile and rampant in this manga so ofc its a no brainer that nobles who are actively trying to plunge their world into chaos would treat their slaves like garbage. That was a given from chapter 1

 

[Carn109]

Time for round 2

 

[Pietje013]

When you're rich and got decent amount of supply, of course they will be killed... and most of the times the girls were seeking work or got no family

 

[Shtoops]

Very strange arguments in this comment section. Being a slaver is already cartoonishly evil by modern standards. Slavery is so incredibly evil, that owning slaves or selling slaves is basically grounds from immediate death in fiction (or at least, it should be). Honestly, I do think this series does go over the top to make the villains villainous sometimes, but considering how many isekai series seem to think slavery is totally fine, I get why the author would feel the need to make the slavers even more evil since audiences seem to think actually characters who own slaves don't deserve death.

Fran being largely motivated by hating slavery is actually a very good thing, and she really doesn't need more of a reason to destroy these people other than them being slavers. I mean, really life slavery was worse in many ways than what is depicted here, so :/

 

[flannan]

"common people like you?" LOL, let's not act like reading isekai manga is mainstream. What we are looking at right now is wish-fulfillment for the lowest common denominator of an already niche subculture. And yes, heaping evil onto the villain-of-the-week with a trowel just for the sake of giving the protagonist someone to brutally dismember is bad (or at least lazy) writing.

Isekai (portal fantasy) is mainstream, because it does appeal to the intellectual majority. It is mainstream in books, it is mainstream in manga, it is mainstream in anime, and it would be popular in movies too, if it didn't need such a big budget. It has been mainstream since placing adventures in the same world, like in Gulliver's Travels, became impractical.

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about writing that works for people who perceive fiction directly, not writing that works for people who want to analyze the quality of the writing and complain about stale tropes. Writing for fancy-pants critics with their theories has always been very niche.

Now, about heaping Evil onto villain-of-the-week, it makes sense, since they're fighting a bunch of Evil villains. Not just normal greedy people, or everyday kind of evil people, but Evil people drunk on power of elemental Evil.
And it's exactly because that Evil villain of the week isn't going to live for long, that the story needs to establish him as worthy of brutal dismemberment in a quick-and-dirty way.

Finally, I wonder if he killed the slave on purpose, or it's just a danger whenever having sex with a person with a large difference in stats and levels. But it seems that being Evil makes both possibilities more dangerous.

 

[Swagner]

Isekai (portal fantasy) is mainstream, because it does appeal to the intellectual majority.

"If you relax the definition of the genre enough, you can make it sound mainstream!" is  quite the goalpost move. Feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night, but the "intellectual majority" wouldn't even know what you mean by "portal fantasy", let alone "isekai". Enjoy whatever you enjoy, but appealing to popularity (or worse, imagined popularity) to justify it is just sad.

 

[flannan]

"If you relax the definition of the genre enough, you can make it sound mainstream!" is  quite the goalpost move. Feel free to tell yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night, but the "intellectual majority" wouldn't even know what you mean by "portal fantasy", let alone "isekai". Enjoy whatever you enjoy, but appealing to popularity (or worse, imagined popularity) to justify it is just sad.

They do not have to understand the words to be familiar with the concept, which is how it works for most tropes. Although in my native language we have a self-explanatory word for it due to how widespread it is ("попаданец", which means "one who has been transported into a sticky situation").
Also, I do not think I am relaxing a definition. Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita is just the form that this concept takes among Japanese authors of today.