Tensei Shitara Ken deshita - Vol. 20 Ch. 97 - The Adventurers' Guild People

[youiri65]

this guild is a guild of gaps. I dont mind the drag queen, but the old man doing that is TERRIFYING

 

[Derpthenerd]

japanese people what the fuck is wrong

 

[ravidya]

Hmm. Remind me who Dias is? Wasn't sure if it was implying that he was actually Inina, or was just imitating Inina (and thus had been watching Fran the entire time she was down in the lobby).

Anyway, I don't remember him offhand, and a scan of a few random chapters doesn't jog any memories.

Old dude who showed up at Fran’s campsite during her travels to the city.

Showed up again to help her during a situation when entering the city where she was being harassed by the usual Adventurer Guild Thug Group.

 

[Miserys_End]

Why bring such a perverted character to the story like this? i mean a masochist that doesn't care about age???? this is just too much

Because okama are a staple of Japanese media, much like the token black man with big lips, the wrinkled pervert who turns out to be a martial master, or his couterpart the old crone that slings world ending magic.

Just like harem fictions have a standard cast of character archetypes, so to do fantasy settings. So just like a certain Pokémon trainer, Japanese authors gotta catch 'em all.

 

[Miserys_End]

japanese people what the fuck is wrong

NGL, I think people who live an okama lifestyle isn't nearly as bad as a looksmaxer. Sure a okama might creep you out, but atleast they don't advocate self-harm just to increase your appearance. ..

 

[iririuuu]

Because okama are a staple of Japanese media, much like the token black man with big lips, the wrinkled pervert who turns out to be a martial master, or his couterpart the old crone that slings world ending magic.

Just like harem fictions have a standard cast of character archetypes, so to do fantasy settings. So just like a certain Pokémon trainer, Japanese authors gotta catch 'em all.

yeah i saw a lot of characters like this in my otaku life but the mix of masochism with no age restriction caught me off guard

 

[Renki]

why make she so likeable just to...fck

 

[Sylvr7070]

oh boy… the transmisogynistic caricature… would anything be complete without one…

 

[Valahuir]

Edit: couldn't get image to load nor delete massage containing failed joke. Please ignore

 

[Necat]

That aside, I was dreading reading the comments and sure enough it was painful. I mean, I do cringe at this type of caricature, there's not enough respectful depictions to make it not mean-spirited, but people are really overreacting here. (And yes I'm fully anticipating the indignant emotes I'll see below this post.)

it sucks that peoples response wasn't 'this seems like a mean-spirited depiction, and that makes me uncomfortable', but 'ewww they put a degenerate in this manga isn't that gross'

 

[deadrabbits]

Was it necessary to include that disgusting thing in the manga?

it's just an okama, has nothing to do with western brain damage culture. Although "they" have been trying to claim them, pissing off the japanese in the process.

 

[HunterCO]

Well they're certainly a colorful bunch

 

[alexandergc]

it sucks that peoples response wasn't 'this seems like a mean-spirited depiction, and that makes me uncomfortable', but 'ewww they put a degenerate in this manga isn't that gross'

It's not even mean-spirited, IMO.
Another comment in the prev pages mentioned that a lot of it comes from the cultural differences behind how Japan has mostly accepted okama as a subset of people.
Their depiction in media is usually played for laughs, but I don't think I've ever seen a 100% negative character being an okama.
So far, they're mostly wholesome weirdos who are unusually strong?

 

[Kefrayba]

Using the term "sissy" here is certain an odd choice. I think it still considered derogatory terms in the community.

 

[bakadrone]

Was it necessary to include that disgusting thing in the manga?

It's gotta be a trope or something at this point there are so many isekai manga that just have the worlds least convincing drag queen and everyone just rolls with it for some reason. Its so omnipresent I'm getting desensitized to it at this point

 

[VIVIT]

Is this type a caricature in Japan?

...yes

SNIP

My man, there's a subculture of gay men who call themselves "nee-san" so asuming gender is even more confusing.

 

[Kefrayba]

The Okama character type is an old trope in manga dated back at least 1980s. My first recollection of this is seeing the Okama bar in City Hunter manga, the OG one.

 

[bakadrone]

And I have to say I'm not surprised but still disappointed about some of the comments on this chapter. The whole story is about the readers cheering for Fran as she is going against the whole world telling her [Evolution] for her race is impossible, to fulfill her dreams, but people will see a man dress and behave in a non-standard way and suddenly everyone is in the trenches fighting for the "traditional values".

Dropping a giant muscle man in a skintight patterned bondage outfit and giant Afro into the middle of your story will tend to distract you from other things going on around you. For good or bad it's EXTREMELY eye catching. It's like a visual flashbang

 

[komachi29]

Imo okamas are great characters, 8 out of 10 they're joke type characters, but they play on both strengths of a strong male and compassionate female most of the time.

Well true, Erza did play as moral support for Fran after she's hit by unimaginable tragedies ahead. On earlier chapter already said that most top ranker are filled with weirdo, I know other manga completely skewed the meaning of B-rank because they only cared about S-Rank but in this manga B-Rank is unattainable for most adventurer

 

[gmhh]

Wow, the bigotry in this comment section is pretty intense. Lots of very insecure males upset by the way Onee-chan makes them feel.