The One Within the Villainess - Vol. 4 Ch. 18 - The Demon King Angel

[jiraiyasama3310]

Did Willard not test out the method before pitching it??? That should be like the first thing you do when trying to pitch a new farming method. Show the fucking products and then you'll have a higher chance or convincing people

Well not only him, all palace officials are stupid i guess. More like a plot nerf.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

You know, when the first chapter of manga came out, I hunted the WN and read it by MTL.
The WN turned out to be a low quality revenge porn novel, sprinkled heavily with wish fulfilment fantasy and other boring tropes.

I am surprised that the manga managed to make me read the same story again, and I have a much more positive feeling about it, compared to the original WN.

That's quite common in my experience, many of those WNs have some interesting idea but obviously amateur writers on Narou aren't that good, but popularity of WN with interesting ides leading to adaptation to manga is good occasion to professional rewrite, since you need to redo most of internal narration and descriptions to mostly dialogue, and often skip or shorten some parts, while fleshing out some others. Often the result is far superior especially compared to the original WN and not potential LN, which at least has chance for some editor job being done on it.

 

[KingCarna]

It's been a while. What's up with Willard getting ridiculed at the end?

Under the star maidens command, he thought he was proving she was hot shit by introducing “something” and calling it crop rotation.

Then the MC ACTUALLY CORRECTLY does it, in addition to making so many allies and EXTREMELY publicly winning support (she’s not named but everyone of importance enough to matter knows)

So basically he’s embarrassed because his star maiden is taking everything and providing NOTHING. And the queen (his mother) wont let that happen for much longer

 

[oui_je_danse]

As a side note to The Great Crop Rotation Debate, let me just say I do appreciate that she clearly has to travel and hustle very hard to find the legumes she needed.

Getting real tired of isekai where, like, some insane shit like cacao has been growing outside the equatorial belt in somebody's fantasy pseudo northern Europe and it never occured to anyone to try eating it.

 

[Mentholatum]

Getting real tired of isekai where, like, some insane shit like cacao has been growing outside the equatorial belt in somebody's fantasy pseudo northern Europe and it never occured to anyone to try eating it.

To be fair, going from cacao fruits to chocolate takes a lot of non-obvious steps (getting the seeds, fermenting, drying, roasting, etc), so I don't think it's completely unbelievable to imagine people wouldn't know chocolate, especially if they don't have a lot of sugar around. Then again people find the craziest ways to eat the weirdest things.

I agree with your point about finding the trees in pseudo northern Europe. Sometimes the author at least tries to say that it's in the southern part of the country (presumably warmer), but then the people still dress in pretty much the same way...

 

[pab101]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[oui_je_danse]

To be fair, going from cacao fruits to chocolate takes a lot of non-obvious steps (getting the seeds, fermenting, drying, roasting, etc), so I don't think it's completely unbelievable to imagine people wouldn't know chocolate, especially if they don't have a lot of sugar around. Then again people find the craziest ways to eat the weirdest things.

I agree with your point about finding the trees in pseudo northern Europe. Sometimes the author at least tries to say that it's in the southern part of the country (presumably warmer), but then the people still dress in pretty much the same way...

Cacao (and it's important to note people ate processed cacao tree seeds in many ways before chocolate was invented) is just one example. The problem is food inventions in general, which seem to ignore common sense (this culture had access to rice but idk never got around to it) OR the actual limitations of climate and/or global trade.

Like, if you stick me in medieval Ireland I can know the location of every major Yukon gold deposit but that won't actually advantage me.

 

[OisE]

I'm not convinced by this chapter... Crop rotation already existed in ancient Egypt. It was the number of fields (two, three or even four) and the specific crops grown on each that were refined from the Middle Ages onwards.

The last boom was the introduction of synthetic fertilisers.

In Remilia's world, you should already know a minimum crop rotation to sustain the population of these cities/kingdoms. The magically produced synthetic fertilisers would be revolutionary though.

Well you forgot that they already knew. Chapter 14 page 12 She proposes to: instead of having a fallow field, just sow crops to feed livestocks and the manure of the livestocks will help the soil to be more fertile.

 

[kurosov]

We know humans know about demons, and that they have to live in hiding because of it, like the merchant. A chap or two ago we had Remilia reveal some demons specifically to an eccentric, because she knew he'd be willing to accept them.

No.

Humans know about the monstrous transformed demons from the miasma that end up in human lands. A process that can more easily happen to humans but more often happens to demons because the source of miasma was in their own lands. Humans don't know the source of those creatures.

Demons were mostly on an entirely different continent with only their weakest being portaled over in recent years as the corruption grew to levels the weaker ones cannot resist. These demon refugees were in hiding because of potential discrimination but were largely unknown about in human society.

In the OG story the villainess assists the demons in crossing over en masse to invade and take control of the safer human lands.
MC's plan is to keep the connection between demons and the dangerous monstrous creatures secret and soften the impression humans have of the demons via propaganda and trade before they make more public moves.

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Also, It's clear everyone complaining about crop rotation being ancient didn't actually read the story properly.

During the discussion with the prince about it his group explicitly state crop rotation was a known and well used practice in their country.
The bitch suggested a different method of fertilisation of the land during rotation to improve soil quality, raising random livestock of fallow land.
MC did the same but relied on including a crop not native to the region and used a magically enhanced fertiliser created by the demons in her territory.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Except three crop rotation wasnt introduced to Europe until the medieval period which is when these types of series are always put in as the setting. It’s less the “lack of intelligence of the author” and more that they’re keeping to historical accuracy

Most of the time what's depicted isn't the Medieval period, but later. For instance, style of dress tends to be Renaissance to just pre-Industrial, if not past that as well, when it isn't pure fantasy. Armours and weapons are whatever looks cool, regardless of time period. Guns very rarely exist even if they were used in the Medieval Europe, and if they do they're much later versions.

Getting real tired of isekai where, like, some insane shit like cacao has been growing outside the equatorial belt in somebody's fantasy pseudo northern Europe and it never occured to anyone to try eating it.

As someone from Northern Europe, I'd say that it's rare they actually portray this part of Europe. It's usually central or southern, or at most the somewhat milder climate of the British islands (but with slightly less rain). Very often I've read remarks about how it rarely or never snows in winter. Depends on manga, of course.

 

[kurosov]

As someone from Northern Europe, I'd say that it's rare they actually portray this part of Europe. It's usually central or southern, or at most the somewhat milder climate of the British islands (but with slightly less rain). Very often I've read remarks about how it rarely or never snows in winter. Depends on manga, of course.

Honestly most of the time what they depict is closer to the climate of China with the food of Germany and France and fashion/architecture from all over Europe and many timelines.

The social structure tends to be heavily Asian influenced with a European window dressing. Kings or Emperors with both an empress and queen or legitimate concubines. Everyone being given their own "palace" as if it was a courtyard and not a huge building meant to house the entire extended family and guests in suite rooms that serve the function a courtyard should.

This means you get the cold duke of the north defending against a nomadic barbarian horde. A spice trade from the west where a female character may end up being sent off to be a concubine, Rare fruits from the south and a more obviously Asian influenced island nation to the east.

 

[oui_je_danse]

Honestly most of the time what they depict is closer to the climate of China with the food of Germany and France and fashion/architecture from all over Europe and many timelines.

The social structure tends to be heavily Asian influenced with a European window dressing. Kings or Emperors with both an empress and queen or legitimate concubines. Everyone being given their own "palace" as if it was a courtyard and not a huge building meant to house the entire extended family and guests in suite rooms that serve the function a courtyard should.

This means you get the cold duke of the north defending against a nomadic barbarian horde. A spice trade from the west where a female character may end up being sent off to be a concubine, Rare fruits from the south and a more obviously Asian influenced island nation to the east.

Yeah, the settings are definitely a mashup of whatever the author finds fun. Very little rhyme or reason.

Whenever there are multiple simultaneous queens or EMPRESSES in a Euro themed story I'm like - what. I'm guessing it's because they want to hit the same beats as the historical dramas they maybe grew up with but love a Renaissance dress.

But yeah, when every child of a ruler has a building the size of Versailles (on the same palace grounds and within walking distance) I do sigh very deeply.

 

[EchoGirl]

I'm not convinced by this chapter... Crop rotation already existed in ancient Egypt. It was the number of fields (two, three or even four) and the specific crops grown on each that were refined from the Middle Ages onwards.

The last boom was the introduction of synthetic fertilisers.

In Remilia's world, you should already know a minimum crop rotation to sustain the population of these cities/kingdoms. The magically produced synthetic fertilisers would be revolutionary though.

well they probably just left it up to the peasants/normal ppl to deal with unless they were being begged by the 'commoners' for the lords to solve the problem or so, tho i'm not sure how many used manure before, if it doesn't need to have stuff added into it versus just spreading cow poo in the dirt before planting tho you'd think the star maiden would know other 'inventions' to help out or so, if not for her own convenience

or just like, praying to a forest/plant god or so

 

[Ovnidemon]

Some information: Crop rotations is ancient but it changed into the modern form fairly recently. Egyptians only used a 2 crops rotation, and the 3 crops rotation (that is already used by the knigdom) came during the 8th century and lasted until the 20th century.

Also, putting animals on a field is one of the worst idea. 1) Dropping need to ferment to become true fertilizers. P*ss in particular is quite bad for the soil and the plants. It's okay in the wild because animals are not restricted, but when in delimited zone, the bad substances accumulate. In addition, in the wild it's just about grass, not crops that require more nutriments.
2) The soil get damaged from the animals walking. For example, place where the animals gather regurlarly (drinking/eating spot) is often infertile for several months

It's for these reasons that people raising animals need to rotate pastures for their animals, to avoid making it too damaged.

(It's funny how we always talk about crop rotation, but not about seasonal grazing) (And that's also one of the reasons that meat always costed more. You need a lot more lands in comparaison)

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

Most of the time what's depicted isn't the Medieval period, but later. For instance, style of dress tends to be Renaissance to just pre-Industrial, if not past that as well, when it isn't pure fantasy. Armours and weapons are whatever looks cool, regardless of time period. Guns very rarely exist even if they were used in the Medieval Europe, and if they do they're much later versions.

whenever we have an isekai series it's generally noted by the MC within it that the time period seems to be set in the medieval period. Now whether that's the case in this series i cant tell ya (dont remember enough of the beginning to tell you if she ever says it). now whether the mangaka/author makes the dresses accurate can vary but i think that's because many of them probably dont care enough about dresses from that time period to be accurate on it. it's essentially just a setting device for a series to take place.

im going to jump on the bandwagon others have said and reiterate that the stuff that's in this series is there cause the mangaka likes it. the author probably has some knowledge about the type of crop rotation the MC is going to implement and that's why it's in here. It being accurate to the time period the game is set in just happened to be a coincidence is my guess. meanwhile the author Fuse never brings up such a concept in Tensei Slime because they prob just aint interested in it.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Everyone being given their own "palace" as if it was a courtyard and not a huge building meant to house the entire extended family and guests in suite rooms that serve the function a courtyard should.

That one's particularly odd, since it was very common for even families of the nobility in Medieval Europe to sleep in the same room. Might be different for the actual royal family, but oftentimes not to my knowledge.

If they had different palaces it was mainly in different locations where they had to travel to for various reasons, or vacations. Castles were for defence and living, so they didn't serve those purposes, they'd build different buildings.

 

[JWChibi]

Haha loser, her only "accomplishment" went up in flames and he's and embarrassment. He should be happy though since he was so eager to have someone dumb and not as smart as Emi putting pressure on his sorry behind

 

[oui_je_danse]

That one's particularly odd, since it was very common for even families of the nobility in Medieval Europe to sleep in the same room. Might be different for the actual royal family, but oftentimes not to my knowledge.

If they had different palaces it was mainly in different locations where they had to travel to for various reasons, or vacations. Castles were for defence and living, so they didn't serve those purposes, they'd build different buildings.

I always SUPER dig it when in one of these stories nobility has proper multiple residences. Like, their historical seat, a townhouse in the capital for the social season and an estate for escaping whatever their version of the worst season is. That kinda setup.

 

[Solar27]

Did Willard not test out the method before pitching it??? That should be like the first thing you do when trying to pitch a new farming method. Show the fucking products and then you'll have a higher chance or convincing people

He's gaga for the villainess, so of course he blindly trusts whatever she says.

 

[Blaze_Rod]

Isekai manga mentions crop rotation

Shot!