The Politics Megathread

[Mr_Detective]

Ah. I just realized that the winter Olympic will be held at the beginning of 2022, not the end. Oops. Now it makes sense why Japan is in such a hurry to host this summer. But still... Letting Beijing, China, host? Not exactly a good decision, I think...

It seems like Mori is really going to resign, after all. Welp. Not that it matters much. If that's what the Japanese people truly want, then it's up to them to decide. They gotta clean up their own mess their own way. Probably a good thing for him as well, lol. Given his age, history, and reputation, he really should just call it done and enjoy his retirement. The hell is even driving him, anyway? Never defended him, but I just hope this is Japan's will alone and nothing to do with the twitter mob or foreign pressure.

Come to think of it... Americans love to influence and interfere with other countries' affairs. But then when Russia and China pull a reverse Uno card on them, they go surprise Pikachu face and "HOW DARE YOU REEE".

 

[EOTFOFYL]

Masturbation bad?
How many porn/coom addicts do we have in society nowadays? More addictive than meth.

Sounds like society needs a nice bowl of cornflakes.

 

[readingsit]

I'd say you're beating around the bush because being mauled by bears is not proportional

i didnt say it was proportional i was sharing the christian view as to that passage is saying. which imo is probably the important one considering a non-christian would simply say such an event never occurred at all

it's safe to assume they died given the lack of decent medicine

fair enough

And no, the word is not "childish," but "young" or youthful, so it's more like adolescents or teenagers

the words used to describe in the original passage was qatan, na’ar, and yeled

qatan means small in quantity, size, number, age, status, or importance

na’ar describes David and all his brother who were between 17-28 years old(17 was an adult back then)

yeled was used to describe a man about Rehoboam's age when he became king so around 41 years old

so interpreting them as children is a possibility but i would say thats a less charitable one.

for an all-loving and all-forgiving god, apparently he can't let this sleight go and has to summon fucking bears to maul 42 of them

god had given Elisha the power he would need to end the corruption in the Northern Kingdom of Israel. this passage looks like it is an example of Elisha misusing that power. the question here is did he use it out of anger that him, his position, and/or god was insulted or did he use it thinking that if his position was undermined without punishment no one would take him seriously and he would fail like his predesessor?

Please don't tell me you just googled "Elisha and the Two Bears," and then went to a Christian Apologetics site like Answers in Genesis

what even is your argument here? "how dare you look up Christianities view on a christian passage"? am i, a christian, supposed to take your, not a christian, view as gospel? sorry but Christianity has been around 2000 years im pretty sure they have an opinion on each and every letter of the bible and i intent to take their words as viable arguments. counter the argument not the people.

 

[immortalartisan]

You know for some who is staunch lover of robotics and ai being the next step in evolution i unironically subscribe to the Taoism school of though of anti nihilism. It’s genuinely quite a good way of thinking of the world. Honestly I’m a fan of of the beauty in imperfection because we can strive to get close to perfect but something is always going to be off doesn’t mean we should just stop progress though.

 

[readingsit]

personally i think that the next evolutionary step isnt Ai i think it will probably be either 40k'esk mechanicus with less body-horror, mastery of the genecode to a level we can make ourselves into greater beings(higher intellect, strength, regeneration, etc), or some mix of both.
as AI advances i think we will hit a point where going farther will be illegal due to not wanting to give them feelings to prevent another slavery debate

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

I was raised by Christians. Their bible was full of violence & contradictions; the people I met in churches were almost all hypocrites. I have returned to my ancestor's traditions. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Death_toll_of_Christianity

 

[Tamerlane]

Imagine unironically citing rational wiki for anything. That’s like citing conservapedia.


Regardless, the more I find out about 2spirit’s parents, the more I think that her parents were your run of the mill average Alaskan Americans with like a grandparent or two that were Indigenous and she’s ran that idea. It’s like the South Park episode where Randy finds out he has above average Neanderthal DNA and so that makes him a minority. Speculative, granted, but I wouldn’t doubt it.

Let’s not even discuss how Cherokee mythology has like no basis in science and is just as nonsensical as Genesis when judged in that regard. (Ie you still have all of the philosophical issues around a creator, omnipotence, and morality.) Some issues include how animals existed before land, and the idea that disease is revenge for killing animals as opposed to Germ theory.

 

[readingsit]

that link is truly baffling. it attributes the fallible actions of man to Christianity in specific, the witch hunts were a great evil and Christians today are right to condemn those actions but im not going to say that all atheists are at fault for communism's evils and it seems the link even realized that issue so how does it respond? "communism is Christianities fault" why? a heretic false prophet said he was jesus's brother and started a failed revolution so many years later mao started communism so you cant blame atheists for mao. ok, alright buddy

yeah, im not looking at that any longer. if you think somwhere is that absurdist propaganda there is a good argument then pull that line in specific because im not going to write a ef'ing novel on its absurdities

 

[wowfucktron]

@readingsit
@tamerlane
Leftists hate Christianity because white people make up the majority of its followers in their mind.
Even though Catholicism, the biggest sect and the overwhelming majority of Christianity, is mainly brown (SA).

They'll bend over backwards and twist themselves into knots over Islam's atrocities because Muslims are usually tan/brown.
Jews are now under fire from leftists because "muh white people."

Spoiler

Jews are closer to Iranians (tan) in terms of genetics than any European ethnic group so their logic falls apart once you use it against them.

>muh christian imperialism
Muslims conquered over half of the old world at one point, bash them.
Mongolians conquered 90% of the old world at one point, go bash them and globalize them.
Technically speaking, Africans conquered the world as we all emerged from Africa, go bash them but we all know that'll never happen.

@2spiritcherokeeprincess
>natives 'muricans can do no wrong
You guys were more warmongering than ancient Europeans, you constantly genocided each other over the stupidest shit (over who's sky animals were better...) and engaged in mass pedophilia like most proto-Asiatics did. You were also drug addicts (peyote, psilocybin, cannabis and poppy seed tea, not to mention native alcoholism rates) who engaged in ritual human sacrifice in some parts.

You guys were more stereotypical Catholic than Catholics could ever hope to be.

The Natives welcomed Imperialism because it freed them from the Aztecs.
Imagine being so brutal, so barbaric, so monstrous in every capacity that your neighbors would welcome unknown foreign rule in order to topple you.

>noooooo the spanish forced catholicism onto us
lel, Catholicism was actually misinterpreted by the natives due to their sensitivities.
They thought that God sacrificing his own son was literal human sacrifice and not a symbolic message of the burden of sins and the benevolence of God.
They found self-flagellation awesome because of things like sanguinism, blood draining rituals.
But most importantly, they thought of Spaniards as literal gods in the beginning and flocked to their missions because of free food due to native squabbles causing routine famine.

>nooooo NA natives dindu nuffin'
The SA natives had mass agriculture and had developed industrial alcohol production: the textbook signs of civilisation.
You guys had what? Nomadic tribes and had only started learning about crop rotation (the beginning of agriculture) after the Vikings had arrived in Canuck land.
For all intents and purposes you were brought up to speed, civilisation wise, by white people twice.
So, yes, you guys did do nothing.

>@tamerlane says you're an alaskan cherokee and are probably pulling a Warren
Textbook edgelord, atheistic teenager who is deluded by the internet into believing they're oppressed in the US and that all of your problems are caused by white people.
Hallo, Führer ZweiGeist, die Weißen sind heute laut.

 

[Mr_Detective]

The sheer hypocrisy of the media and the Democrats during the trial... It's like they live in different world and have no memory of last summer.

 

[sterven]

@wowfucktron

That hurt me man and I'm just passing by.

 

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@sterven
We're all in this together bro. No one group is free of sin. The Marleyans can try and rewrite history, lauding themselves all the while. But we're the ones who know the truth.

^{Also to be perfectly clear from earlier, I don't actually follow any branch of Christianity, I've just had good experiences with those who do.}

 

[wowfucktron]

@mr_detective

Because they do.

>posting smuggies
I'll fucking do it again!

 

[Tamerlane]

@sterven

It's okay, she's* blocked us all by now anyway.


*(She claims to be nonbinary in her bio, but she called herself "twospiritcherokeeprincess." Plus there's no empirical evidence to show that non-binaryism is a thing beyond ideology, so it's not like it's important. Plus part of her name comes from this, which indicates to me she conflated an unrelated American Indian belief with contemporary gender ideology and assumes it's true because people in the past believed it, regardless of any empirical evidence regardless)

@wowfucktron

To be fair, I said it was a possibility based on what evidence she's shared with us, but yes, I think to an extent she believes she is correct in what she is saying, but whether that actually lines up to reality or if she's basically conflated a lot of things because they're less important than she's letting on, like being a direct decedent of native peoples.

Plus I think calling her atheistic is giving her a bit too much credit, considering she seems to buy into Native Spiritualism, regardless of the fact it goes against modern science and understanding of things such as germ theory, and biology

@Mr_Detective

The trial is an absolute joke of dishonesty and bad faith. They're reaching so far to try an indite him on non-existent evidence, explicitly editing out when Trump said he wanted them to PEACEFULLY MARCH from the footage, and trying to make Trump look guilty by association and not on anything directly able to say he incited them to immediate violence or promoted them to do anything even illegal in the first place, much less seditious or treasonous.

Let's not forget that they voted themselves to say what they were doing was constitutional, as well, which is scary as hell. Judge, jury, and executioner.

And they call us conspiracy theorists because we have evidence of fraud that they already dismiss as debunked without ever addressing it or significantly removing the likelihood that it was fraudulent, before they come out and admit it themselves like with the Times article. Welcome to the totalitarian state that is the unilateral control of the Establishment.

How do you know a politician is lying? Their mouth is moving.

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
I went to UMW and whenever I traveled around Minnesota I went to native tourist traps because I wanted to buy some furs/skins in order to make hats. I was hitting on chatting up a native woman who was working a stall at one of these places and she basically said that native beliefs are, for all intents and purposes, nothing more than local fundraising festivals and tourist traps nowadays because most natives are either Catholic, Protestant, Baptist or Mormon.

She then went on a rant while saying its only the edgy teens that cling to the actual indigenous religious stuff and not the traditions, mainly out of a sense of wanting to feel "unique and special."

And yeah, miss third gender most definitely blocked us all. It's how all of those overly socially liberal and progressive leftist types function: they can't handle the fact that the opposite side gets to have a voice and is allowed to dissent and therefore they need to exert what little power in life they have in order to feel "safe and secure" by blocking out all "bad emotions."
_{something about how leftism can't survive/function without censorship...}

These types will always paint whoever they block as white supremacists, neo-nazis or whatever white man bad group is currently in vogue, regardless of what they actually look like, mainly because they are the opposite of open minded and love to dehumanize those they disagree with in order to silence them.

Its tiresome working in a field full of them, but you very quickly learn how to handle them.
Just flip their logic back on them and corner them by working them up so that they slip up and reveal their real inner thoughts.

 

[wowfucktron]

Honestly, reading up on that two-spirit thing is quite amusing.
The fact that even Wikipedia is skeptical of it should be quite telling.

It sounds like Klinefelter's Syndrome affected men were apparently encouraged to act more like women by natives because they probably realized they were liabilities on the battlefield and when hunting.

Klinefelter's is XXY syndrome. The men who have it grow really tall, 6 inches taller than they would've (puberty never ended for them because they never entered it), have underdeveloped genitalia, next to no muscle mass beyond what women get, have really long limbs and develop mental health issues at women's rates and intensities. They also have wide, womanly hips, little pubic and facial hair, breast tissue (mammary glands and, yes, with estrogens they can lactate) and tend to have fluctuations in what little testerone they have, mimicking periods in all but cramps and bleeding. Very few of these men are actually fertile, the ones who are require artificial insemination to knock up their wife because their sperm is to weak to survive the trip through the vaginal canal.

It seems like minorities in LGBT groups tried to become even more "special and unique" and brought in something with little historical evidence beyond some art and language ambiguity.
_{clown world}

All I'm taking away from this is that LGBT groups believe "we must enforce gender norms, all while bashing gender norms, on men who are suffering from a permanent genetic mutation because...uh...um...diversity!"

 

[Tamerlane]

@wowfucktron

I have come to the conclusion that gender identity has nearly 99% correlation to whether or not you have the SRY gene (The gene on the Y chromosome responsible for development of male sex characteristics) or not, with those lacking it tending to identify as women.

Gender Dysphoria is basically a rare case where a male "brain" gets put into a female "body," or vice versa, meaning that it is an innate issue. Studies have shown that transpeople tend to have similar grey/white matter proportions the sex they are trying to transition into, and have similar neurological and biological chemistry to said sex, meaning that it is a biologically legitimate disorder and not simply a factitious disorder. However, people tend to conflate the exception and so claim that sex or gender are on a spectrum or don't exist biologically, which doesn't make sense given that it's that evidence that validates the existence of gender dysphoria as a condition in the first place. We can determine other disorders like body dysmorphia, depression, ASD, etc. through not only neurological readings and CT scans, but through predictable methodology which validate its existence, just as you can with gender dysphoria in determining prognosis and symptoms. To reduce all of this research which validates the biological basis for gender dysphoria into merely social construction or self-identification ignores who it's this evidence that validates the fact that people need medical treatments in the first place. Hence why insurance companies need to cover its operation as medical treatment, and not simply "cosmetic surgery," because transitioning is a serious issue that is the result of mental health. Their ideology does not adequately answer the problem at hand.

(There's also the fact that some people can claim to be trans who do not have gender dysphoria or any of the associated conditions simply because they have been lead to believe they have it through ideological line or through their peers, which is an issue in and of itself. This is why I think you shouldn't be able to transition until you're a legal adult who is able to consent to such measures.)

I will correct you in that Non-binary means that someone beliefs they don't strictly fit into a category that is "masculine" or "feminine," but something in between, as opposed to a third gender, which means that they are not masculine or feminine at all. My issue is that the idea of being non-binary (Aside from the lack of evidence beyond anecdotes supporting it and the lack of any empirical data that would indicate that such a gender could exist, let alone there being no evolutionary advantage to its existence and that it would actively hinder reproduction) also stereotypes women and men into these strict behaviors and then concludes that if you don't identify with all of those behaviors, you are not a man or woman, ignoring individualism, genetic variation, and that trends do not apply to individuals necessarily. It's saying essentially a man can't enjoy things stereotypically feminine and woman can't enjoy things stereotypically masculine without being non-binary solely for that reason, rather than something empirical and based on something we can actually test and come up with reliable results for.

EDIT: Unrelated, but can we appreciate how the term "Two-Spirit" not only does not originate from the Cherokee, Tlingit, or Tsimshian , but it lacks an equivalent term or concept within their culture, most likely because they were separated from cultures who had them by several hundred miles. Meaning she's clearly mixing and matching languages and traditions, rather than actually coming from the culture of a particular tribe. Seems to me like someone who is not actually informed on native traditions or the differences between the various tribes and cultures.

 

[Teddy]

Remember just because you destroy her arguements doesn't mean you should destroy her person. Stay civil guys; hit on her next set of chosen wepages and images rather than make conjectures on her person

 

[wowfucktron]

@tamerlane
As much as I hate anti-depressants (castration and brain fuckery, fun!), most trans people just need cognitive behavioral therapy, anti-depressants and most likely corrective image therapy.

Shooting your body full of foreign hormones is a horrible idea, it’ll really fuck you up.

It gets worse once they get the surgery because their body can’t correct what it’s missing due to missing gonads.
Hence the suicide rates.

It’s a wing of mental health issues related to autism and the lengths ideologues go to exacerbate their issues via faux/forced acceptance, humoring delusions and cult like conversions of at risk socially disaffected teens is insane

Not to mention the fetishists and trenders.

The correlation of autism and transgenderism is eerie.
Not all autistics are trans, but all trans are autistic.

They just need sit down therapy and a brain number, that’s it.

@teddy
Yeah, sorry, I got carried away.
She reminds me of an old classmate I used to dab on 24/7.

 

[Tamerlane]

@Teddy

Honestly I don't like mind-reading, but she's so weirdly engimatic in this situation but yet repetitive in her rhetoric that it's hard not to kinda speculate on her as a person as opposed to her arguments which mostly can be summed up as "Republicans bad."

Probably wrong on most of my inferences though, but it's interesting just how many holes you can poke into her narrative around being an American Indian.