The Politics Megathread

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tl;dr OOOH OOH AHH AHH!!! Ape together strong!

leftists took the meme 'reject modernity, return to monke' too seriously XD

 

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repost oops

 

[M0NST3R]

There's a book called Mindset by Carol S Dwek that points out a lot of the same stuff you said @wowfucktron though in some very different ways.
People that hold those types of leftist views tend to have fixed mindsets in more than one area of their life. Kinda like religious fanatics and how everything is either inside or outside the acceptance of the church.

 

[wowfucktron]

@m0nst3r
It’s ironic right? The most “progressive, tolerant and accepting” people are the most inflexible when it comes to differing opinions and anyone who isn’t completely on board with leftism.

In the 90s, the evangelicals promoted PC culture and leftists lauded anti-PC culture.

Then in the 00s, leftists suddenly did a complete 180 as evangelicals embraced anti-PC culture in an attempt to appear “hip.”

And we’re still here with leftists promoting PC culture because it gives them a moral bludgeon to silence dissent with.
Not a coincidence that this happened.

It’s almost as if all of their beliefs stem from anti-Western anything and everything.

 

[M0NST3R]

@wowfucktron I've told people before but I'll say it here because it's worth saying; anytime these puritans form up around anything, they'll start screaming at everyone until they tear themselves apart.
They're no different than the prohibitionists who fucked up 90 years of American policy through their dumbass puritanism.

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

The words of a leftist with a fixed mindset:

 

[wowfucktron]

@2spiritcherokeeprincess
Go look up Gandhi’s thoughts on black people, women and homosexuals.

I’ll wait.

He was also a terrorist who advocated for extreme violence if he didn’t get his way at one point but unfortunately all of that has been written out of history books because it’s better to use him as a peaceful iconoclast than admit he was an idiot like everyone else on this rock called Earth.

>first they ignore you
What?
>then they laugh at you
As they should, nothing but garbage ideas
>then they fight you
Are we supposed to just roll over for the self ordained “good guys?”
>then you win
By manipulating people by playing the victim over and over and over.

All of your liberal gods aren’t good people.
Bernie Sanders

Che Guevara

I could list more but I won’t.

Why does this matter?
Hypocrisy runs throughout leftism. All of it is nonsense built on strong arming your way into power by social manipulation of the youth by inflaming them into believing that change is always good.

 

[M0NST3R]

Having a fixed mindset is not something good.
The entire point of someone a fixed mindset is the difficulty of accepting the idea that someone can actually improve with personal effort.
Its the mindset of, if I don't have the talent, I can't do it therefore only people with talent should do it.
(Don't get me wrong, this shows up on the right a lot too, mostly in the 'Muh Founding Fathers' and 'Muh Tradition' crowds but Neocons aren't immune)

I'm willing to bet you would be greatly offended at someone saying you are incapable of something because you lack talent.

Edit: If you want, you can listen to the book for free on YouTube. Someone uploaded the audiobook read by the author.

 

[Tamerlane]

@2spiritcherokeeprincess

Firstly, that's apocryphal. Ghandi never said that, but who did was a union leader named Nicholas Klein in 1914. The misattribution comes from the fact Ghandi compiled his essays into a wider anthology.

Also calling Ghandi a leftist is a bit of a misnomer given he wasn't for the abolition of private property and his economic principles were not about collective ownership of the means of production. Granted, some scholars have called Ghandi a socialist but I think such nomenclature is inaccurate as calling the Incan system socialism, as it still values hierarchy and personal property and private businesses, as well as the fact Ghandi is known for wanting national sovereignty above all, which is not a socialist position as they want a world-wide revolution.

@M0NST3R

I think there's a virtue of open-mindedness and tolerance if said open-mindedness if predicated on evidence and the willingness to change based on strength of the argument. When you close yourself from new ideas, you not only make yourself a bigot but prevent yourself from ever improving beyond your current state, which ignores the fact humans are fundamentally imperfect beings that should always be trying to improve themselves.

Though I will take umbrage with the idea only conservatives care about the intentions of the framers of the constitution and how they wrote it because I think those values are meant to be more the bedrock of our society and not meant to be eroded, such as the protections for rights and limitations on the government to infringe on them, which I think should be nonpartisan. Plus there's the fact that the liberal values of the constitution and the enlightenment philosophy with underlies it is more or less the system of ideals which this nation was formed from and whenever we have ignored or not followed those values (ie Slavery, Japanese Internment, Jim Crow, etc.) it has always reflected poorly on the nation as a whole.

Though I'd argue a lot of neoconseratives don't actually care about the traditions and the values of the founding fathers as much as their bottom line and propagation of the political machine, as well as appealing to religion (something the founding fathers would be against certainly) and starting a million wars in the Middle East, which the Founding Fathers only ever did once and it ended in a treaty that said the US is not a Christian nation.

All of this is even more ironic because I know that our resident Cherokee Princess never reads nor responds to my posts because she got to the first line of one of them and blocked me.

 

[Mr_Detective]

Wonder if Japan will be pressured to let Mori go after his comment. But again, he said it was someone else who told him, and while he might have been lying, why do the media continue to report it as if he was the one who said it? Never really cared much for him but I can only see that he made either an old-fashion joke or inappropriate comment at the wrong occasion. Is there really a need to get your panties in a bunch? At this point I'm really hoping that Mori doesn't get fired as the middle finger to the SJW crowd. This is like trying to make a big deal out of a trivial matter and beating a dead horse.

Vietnam and China are crazy with their control over social media. But sometimes, I can see how they'd benefit if they just block access to sites like Twitter. But then again, I'm risking sounding like a hypocrite now. Sigh... >.<

which the Founding Fathers only ever did once and it ended in a treaty that said the US is not a Christian nation.

The religious nutcases deserve all sorts of mockery and contempt for trying to ignore this. Keep your religion craps out of school, doesn't matter what yours is.

 

[M0NST3R]

@Tamerlane I want to make sure I understand where your take is, are you saying that you felt my statement was in favor of being closed minded?

And I understand your Umbridge with my statement on conservatives being the only ones who care so let me try to better explain my disclaimer.

Much like how you have folks who call themselves liberal blindly push certain policies and viewpoints that aren't grounded in reality my point is the 'Muh Founding Fathers' camp acts the same way.
Most of the time you see a sort of Hero worship of the founders combined with accusations about those who oppose it hating the country to the core. They typically sit there and talk about how X or Y unrelated reason is why they aren't successful (a trait of fixed mindset) even if they don't directly state that.
In the same vein leftists blame whatever group they deem as 'oppressors' for their own lack of successes.


@Mr_Detective
Me, as a rational adult:

Also me, as a Catholic:

 

[immortalartisan]

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess

I’m half convinced your some sort of straw liberal account here to specifically to just make liberalism look bad. I’ve never seen them outside of the political megathread ever.

Also I’m just gonna say this believing in change is not advocating for complete tear down of everything it’s simply substitution until the most optimal choice is found or new better choice is discovered. Trump while he was a train wreck of president and wildly inept and horribly racist he did genuinely recognize what was effecting a lot of people and spoke on it. His actual action in achieving these stated goals is to say the least nonexistent as he was just in it for the money and fame, granted most if not every politician is but they at least hide it better.

Religion is a genuinely damaging effect on modern governments at this point

 

[Tamerlane]

@M0NST3R

Oh no, I wasn't saying you're for closed-mindedness, though there are people who believe that

I was more expanding on my views in relation to your point about closed-mindedness

@immortalartisan

Unfortunately she's not a troll. She's not a liberal ether as much as an outright socialist at this point, and she's commented on manga but mostly ones about autism and her experiences with it. Which is ironic given most of us are probably also on the spectrum in one way or another on this forum if I were to guess

 

[wowfucktron]

>shitter is calling Nagatoro racist pedophilia
I mean the pedophilia part might be true considering Nanashi's past, but racist, really? What, so light skinned people can't have tans now?
brb acquiring cancer to own the libs 😎

These are the same people who loved Big Mouth and threw a tantrum over Terry Crews calling out black nationalist and black supremacists...

@m0nst3r
Tamerlane is all over the place. I can picture he's a rustbelt Democrat, voted for Obama and then voted for Trump, ie apparent non establishment candidates. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just that rustbelters tend to hyperfixate on some parts of their agenda (conservative version of socialism, pro worker and anti government) while glossing over their weaknesses in their arguments (most of it is just inconsistent self destructive anti government sentiment). His biases do leak out a lot but whatever.

@tamerlane
Not trying to box you in or pick on you or anything, its just I also have sort of a hard time figuring out where your ideology is amongst the hero worship and the founding father circlejerk as @mr_detective points out.

They were smart but they also were idiots, if that makes sense.

@mr_detective
The religion in schools nonsense was instated because of the Cold War and reinstated as a sort of "fuck off" to the Taliban shortly after 9/11.

Nowadays you'll have a hard time criticizing religion if your aren't criticizing Christianity.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

The traditional motto of the United States was E Pluribus Enum, "Out of many, one." until 1956 where it was changed to "In God We Trust." as a means of distinguishing itself from its atheistic rival the Soviet Union. It has remained that way since.

Religion is a genuinely damaging effect on modern governments at this point

What we need is a modern day Papal State that can call a crusade on the infidels of the East. /s

 

[EzWeeb]

Christianity is a staple of American culture, 'nuff said.

 

[wowfucktron]

@ezweeb
I think you mean the reason this dump was founded stolen from the Bri'ish.

 

[EzWeeb]

@wowfucktron So you're agreeing with me? I think?

 

[wowfucktron]

@ezweeb
I guess?
Sure it was the main reason we became a country but to have religion at all be a part of your national identity is pretty weird.

The only reasons to follow a religion are mainly for self-disciplinary reasons and learning basic ethical philosophy.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

Religion has been a staple of every nation regardless of era, the only difference now from then being its use at a diplomatic level.