The Politics Megathread

[bigtiddyoneesan]

@wowfucktron

implying I should become a reactionary

Not at all. React content on YouTube is usually lazy as fuuuuuck. ^{_{it's a joke guys I know what reactionaries are}}

My opinions of others aren’t lowered via comments on the web, I assume most use it to vent anonymously.

People post legitimately smoothbrain things that can be found every now and then (or pretty often depending on where you look), and you along with others have recognized takes as being 'wtf' material.

Doing so doesn't necessarily mean 'this smoothbrainite and all his takes are bad', but it does mean that people use their basic pattern recognition to realize "hey, this guy's on about some nonsensical shit, and he might be on about some nonsensical shit in the future" and then, subconsciously or otherwise, assign less credibility to smooth-kun's takes (and by extension, smooth-kun himself).

Yes, separating a person from his/her argument is ideal; but insight to that person's thoughts/experiences/worldview is never unhelpful when trying to understand where someone's coming from (outside of some devil's advocate-type debate).

IRL my opinions are only really lowered via actions.

Using your 'tolerant' neighbor as an example, would you not even subconsciously lower your opinion (and/or assign less credibility to the words) of someone even if he/she were to say the exact same things your neighbor does, but online?

sometimes I honestly believe I am compared to most people.

I guess "most" technically could make mentioning this irrelevant, but the same things said below this quote could potentially go for a lot of people, since there's no way to know what someone else is thinking. A spectrum also exists concerning the intensity of emotions, where there's a substantial distance between 'monk status' and 'perpetual state of resentment/blame/etc.' (there's probably a better way to phrase it but yeah).

 

[readingsit]

what the hell is that lazy ass post? what does the trump acquittal have to do with guns? that twit is just spam at this point

 

[Tamerlane]

It’s amazing that the people who think guns are ruining America don’t know shit about the weapons they’re regulating

The point of the second amendment is for a well armed populous to oppose a tyrannical state. Mutually Assured Destruction, as I there’s no point in ruling a nation of corpses.

Biden explicitly wants to limit second amendment rights to degrees heretofore unparalleled. It’s scary stuff

 

[wowfucktron]

@bigtiddyoneesan

and you along with others have recognized takes as being 'wtf' material.

I might disagree with someone’s ideas and point how they’re not so great, but they are well within their rights to believe whatever they want.

I mean, I guess I am hypocritical due to how 2spirit is legitimately non engaging whenever she’s cornered over her arguments and drive by “educations” but those types require a certain amount of special treatment when engaged with.

Using your 'tolerant' neighbor as an example

He’s genuinely mentally unwell (he’s schizophrenic, cops are called at least once a month. first name basis, it’s pretty sad), I only brought him up in order to point out how dumb that logic was in that other thread.

'monk status' and 'perpetual state of resentment/blame/etc.'

Acceptance and antipathy is a better way to word to that, I think.

Acceptance being people are dumb, you should just accept that some people have stupid ideas. But it’s not your job to change that, it’s theirs.

Antipathy being, well, just look at r/againsthatesubreddits...

 

[readingsit]

not sure if anyone here watches "the lotus eaters" podcast but episode 68 really rips the defund the police movement a new one. Minneapolis was the perfect place to test if defunding the police would work and, to no ones surprise, it didnt.

 

[Kaldrak]

@readingsit In the sense that they didn't actually do it? Cause from what I've read, they didn't reduce officers, didn't redistribute funding, and got a shitton of pushback. Basically the whole thing devolved into massive arguments on all sides, and then they walked it all back.

 

[wowfucktron]

@kaldrak
Basically, the black community in Minneapolis wanted to divert police funding to organizations chosen by them.
Don’t ask.

Local politicians and police unions pointed out that the chosen organizations were just shell companies for local black businessman and that this was just going to turn out exactly like Flint’s water fiasco (embezzlement of the government via local community).

The level headed leaders in the black community agreed and realized it was a dumb suggestion but the morons in BLM threatened to throw another nationwide tantrum and started lashing out at their own at these meetings.

It devolved into arguments that can be boiled down into calling everyone you disagree with an Uncle Tom. This outcome was entirely predictable.

 

[readingsit]

@Kaldrak
Minneapolis Council Moves To Defund Police, Establish 'Holistic' Public Safety Force

Spoiler

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/26/884149659/minneapolis-council-moves-to-defund-police-establish-holistic-public-safety-forc

Nearly 200 officers have applied to leave Minneapolis police force

Spoiler

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/nearly-200-officers-have-applied-to-leave-minneapolis-police-force

Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police

Spoiler

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police

Minneapolis violence surges as police officers leave department in droves

Spoiler

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-violence-surges-as-police-officers-leave-department-in-droves/ar-BB1aZ8Cn

Some Minneapolis city council members would like a redo on defunding the police: report

Spoiler

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/518564-some-minneapolis-city-council-members-would-like

Minneapolis to Spend $6.4M to Recruit More Police Officers

Spoiler

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-02-13/minneapolis-to-spend-64m-to-recruit-more-police-officers

the headlines can tell the story by themselves

 

[wowfucktron]

Google, I...

 

[Kaldrak]

@readingsit Soo, just going by the headlines you've posted here, 200+ police officers voluntarily left. That's about the size of their effort? Other than voting for moving some funds around and making some broad claims they later decided not to do and generally pissing everyone off?

I see. It wasn't the city 'defunding' the police, it was the police just taking off and leaving cause they said they were going to. Now that is pretty amusing, lol.

 

[readingsit]

@Kaldrak
no, since opening links is apparently hard here is what the they had passed

Under the proposed plan, the city would eliminate the existing police department and replace it with "a department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach."

as the new plan was being implemented it was sped up because the police felt like they werent being treated fairly so they helped the plan along by leaving more and more

as crime rates sore Minneapolis saw the effects of defunding the police was less enforcement or none at all. people were literally committing crimes in broad daylight and no one was stopping them

and finally the councils knees give out and they decide to fund the police again

 

[Kaldrak]

I still think my take on it was pretty accurate. XD

 

[EzWeeb]

>Black and disabled artists

I guess you could say they black intelligence!

 

[wowfucktron]

@ezweeb
Honestly the fact that the two are together is beyond hysterical. The ambiguity is god tier.
I think its supposed to be black artists and disabled artists (really makes you think🤔 ) but if its black disabled artists, then talk about overly narrow pandering.
I kind of want to see if I can Karen this into a controversy on Twitter. Probably not, but I bet /pol/ would more than love to help out.

 

[wowfucktron]

Does Anon have a point?

I believe he does, however I think most people (“normies”) would only agree in regards to their own biases, mainly in regards to politics.

For me, I think America’s lack of standards in regards to education, overconsumption culture in regards to feel good media and obsessive hyper competitiveness has led to a perfect storm in regards to the internet and civility in regards to respectful behavior towards others.

We’ve always had issues with politics in this country, but not at this level.

But even when you ignoring politics, social media encourages extremely dangerous and idiotic behaviors by causing a negative positive feedback loop which feeds the user a dangerously addictive substance, dopamine derived from social acceptance/peer validation.

I honestly think the internet is Pandora’s box, and it will probably be humanity’s downfall in the long run.

t. Gigabrainlet

edit: Going further on this.

>taking IQ seriously
There’s been a global trend of IQ dropping every generation since the internet was launched.

People are stupider nowadays, it’s an undeniable truth. And I think the behaviors anon listed line up with this global drop in intelligence.

>ok boomer
Preemptive based

 

[Kaldrak]

@wowfucktron Memetic infection....

 

[wowfucktron]

@kaldrak
Richard Dawkins is an honest to god moron, never take anything he says seriously.

Yes, his brainchild memetics exists, but he’s an idiot who came up with the idea mainly to shit on people he didn’t agree with in regards to society and politics.

He’s as overeducated as they come and most of his beliefs can be summed up as “I’m a reactionary against conservatism.” He’s also a self described full blown socialist, do what you will with that information. His field, social evolutionary biology, is an echo chamber with zero dissenting opinions and theories due to hypersensitivities among social scientists.

Yes, I went on a rant on memes earlier in the thread, but there was a slight difference in his and my ideas. Dawkins believes memery permanently programs people.

I disagree, there have been many such cases of full blown “wokesters” going /pol/mode after being targeted by their own.

I’m going to keep this part short but, meme warfare is beyond dangerous because you can either subtly reprogram people via a slow drip of exposure or you can overwhelm targets in the vein morons like to call, redpilling/bluepilling/blackpilling/whitepilling.

@bigtiddyoneesan
Maybe I’m not a monk after all...

I forgot how much Dawkins’ half cocked ideas run me up a wall.

 

[Dawebuzz]

So... I am little bit disappointed by USA government. I was watching impeachment trial of Trump every now and then, but I was watching full final day and I have to say, it was strange. I was curious how politics works in oldest democracy in the world and this was unique opportunity to find out.
As person from post communist country where democracy was suppressed for long time I thought that USA is far ahead from us. I couldn't be more wrong. It's exactly the same as here where opinion of parties are more important then opinion of individual deputies.
I think that the evidence was pretty clear and even Republicans were saying he´s done it. But hiding behind argument He is not in office right now is absurd. It´s like they´re not thinking about future. Yes right now he is harmless but what about in 2, 3 or 4 years .

And one note at the end. I think America does not realize that this is how putsch is done. And it is pretty funny that even if Trump didn´t want to do that It could be done by accident...

 

[Kaldrak]

@wowfucktron Making a looot of assumptions there. I couldn't care less about Richard Dawkins, but the existence of Qanon would seem to support the idea of memetic infection, at the very least.

 

[EzWeeb]

@Dawebuzz
>this is how putsch is done
God I fucking hope so.