The Politics Megathread

[Tamerlane]

@DuesNine

The main problem is that both sides of the issue are framing themselves as the ones trying to prevent the injustice from taking place, and they both think they are trying to save the country.

The people at the rally thought that the election was fraudulent and that they were stonewalled from having a proper investigation into their claims, and so, even if you disagree with their arguments, it is expected they're going to act on that principle that they believe the election was stolen and try to prevent what they view as a usurpation and as a process enshrining and cementing earlier violations of the constitution in various states, such as the equal protection clause.

It really isn't about Trump or fanatic support of him, specifically, but the fact that there's this fundamental disconnect where it seems to be this double standard where any attempt to seek retribution is met with only scorn.

If we take this in a more liberal prospective, when about half the country believes that the election was fraudulent and that voice is not being represented in the media, or by the people elected to represent those interests, it indicates that the consent of the governed and the social contract has been called into question and must be renegotiated. What has just happened represents an animosity being stroked by those in power, and abortion of justice the likes of which we've never seen and the slow degradation of the rule of law.

When you corner an animal, what do you think will happen? When you remove all hope of them peacefully having their grievances redressed through legal processes, what do you think is the end result? When you censor, discriminate, and further isolate people from wider society based solely on the beliefs they hold and refuse them to operate as a regular person, and then remove their one figure head or outlet they believe encapsulates and best fights for their ideas, what do you think will come?

I know for I know how the Roman Republic fell. It all started when the senate thought the Gracchi brothers were gaining too much power amongst the common man...

 

[Teddy]

The USA should just remove multipartisan to reduce tribalism and become cohesive.

Look at how cohesive China was at passing the controversial National Security Law over Hong Kong

Obviously /s but if they had heard a bit more from their founding fathers they wont have such hyperpartisan

In my unfounded opinion, I feel as though Americans are really selfish; deep rooted in their culture; possibly from the red scare, maybe due to their zealous adoration of their Terrorist Ancestors that conducted a revolution which naturally has less trust in stricter government regulation or any community efforts (for good reason though, but different to the also good reasons of today). But they really got to learn to compromise for greater goods rather than individual success.

Ofcourse you then have those corporations that want to retain their power/money and continually lobby? Gift? politicians to encourage questionable actions. To be fair, every businessman wants to get more money.

 

[Tamerlane]

"I WARNED YOU ASSHOLES ABOUT POLITICAL PARTISANSHIP"​

 

[sterven]

@Teddy

I feel as though Americans are really selfish; deep rooted in their culture; possibly from the red scare, maybe due to their zealous adoration of their Terrorist Ancestors

wow. Really dude. I usually just brush off whatever nonsense people say about America or Americans in general but you seriously just called the founding fathers terrorist? Straight up fuck you man.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/capitol-rioter-bragged-about-dangling-from-senate-chamber/

So apparently Hangmam has been identified and has been arrested.

Also:

Looking for Extinguisher Man

 

[Chrona]

@DeusNine
I understand completely, even if you were to believe something is inherently wrong you wouldn't do anything. That certainly is different.

@Teddy

In my unfounded opinion, I feel as though Americans are really selfish; deep rooted in their culture; possibly from the red scare, maybe due to their zealous adoration of their Terrorist Ancestors

One man's terrorist is one man's freedom fighter. From the perspective of the British, the Boston Tea Party was a terrorist move, however, this is venerated moment in the US's history. If you prefer monarchy, I suppose you would also find this to be a terrorist move.

that conducted a revolution which naturally has less trust in stricter government regulation or any community efforts (for good reason though, but different to the also good reasons of today). But they really got to learn to compromise for greater goods rather than individual success.

How do you compromise on a possibly fraudulent election? You can't really just say it was half fraudulent. Even if I were to agree with your premise. In this case these two groups are both fighting for the "greater good" that they believe is true, one to prevent Hitler from gaining power, and one to make sure an election was conducted properly. I don't think anyone with feet on the ground is doing this for pure selfish gain. That's what makes them so infuriating to deal with, at least a selfish person can admit to hiding his selfishness, an ideologue going to break the law and feel justified and moral for it, for the "greater good".

 

[Tamerlane]

@sterven


This may be my inability to pick up sarcasm, but the founding fathers were considered terrorists, especially when it came to dumping tea into harbors.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it's all determined by the victors how we view people usually.

History is all about understanding prospective, and it's too easy to think that just because we venerate certain people nowadays like the founding fathers doesn't mean they were considered the same way in their time. The British loyalists would have seen them as radicals. It's ironic to its most basic core.

 

[crazybars]

@Teddy

Strangely relavant. Flexing fans OP.

https://mangadex.org/images/manga/58937.jpg?1608138478

*source
https://mangadex.org/title/58937/1-000-000-000-000-game

 

[Mr_Detective]

@sterven This confirms Teddy is a British spy, possibly MI6, sent by the Queen to instill chaos in America and make it crash and burn faster than it already has as revenge for their ancestors losing the war.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

Come to think of it, The Onion was truly ahead of its time...
https://politics.theonion.com/trump-rioter-knocks-on-senate-door-to-ask-about-retriev-1846022923

https://www.theonion.com/fbi-narrows-down-identity-of-red-faced-man-carrying-con-1846036755

https://www.theonion.com/fbi-uncovers-al-qaeda-plot-to-just-sit-back-and-enjoy-c-1819576375

https://www.theonion.com/serbia-deploys-peacekeeping-forces-to-u-s-1819565829

https://youtu.be/TRgRz3nSG7o
https://youtu.be/noD_9LuGSek
https://youtu.be/juxXS8cfR2g

Utterly random: https://youtu.be/sw_1CIwwEIA

 

[Ivegotnolife]

 

[Teddy]

LONG LIVE THE QUEEN

 

[EOTFOFYL]

FOR KING AND COUNTRY

also,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/jake-angeli-horned-man-who-stormed-capitol-refuses-to-eat-as-guards-wont-feed-him-organic-food/DKNMQCEGLXWNV4DBUYPYVX5OPM/

 

[YumoYumo]

@Ivegotnolife Hmmm. Happy MAGA frog is still in the same swamp. Which means that flow will get him too eventually.

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

Of course the founding fathers were terrorists. https://www.humanities.org/blog/terrorism-fake-news-american-revolution/ They were also slave owners, land thieves & just generally scum. https://www.phillytrib.com/commenta...cle_f841b673-50ac-5510-8330-20d3bac6f974.html

One of the police hurt by the rioters has committed suicide. https://nypost.com/2021/01/11/capit...ed-as-dedicated-public-servant-after-suicide/ I made this before learning of officer Liebengood's death:

 

[sterven]

@Tamerlane

This may be my inability to pick up sarcasm, but the founding fathers were considered terrorists, especially when it came to dumping tea into harbors.

Yeah I have the same problem unfortunately (at least in written form) and overreacted.

@Teddy
I apologize for overreacting. I still think you're a swell guy and fun to shot the shit with even if you are a disgusting British spy and say that the founding fathers are terrorist.

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

I think the biggest problem here is that one side now feels like they have no representation, and are being thrown to the wolves, not to mention that the news media and some of the more "extreme" in government are trying to classify anyone who identifies as a "trump supporter" or "conservative patriot" or even just anti-socialist is a domestic terrorist, this mindset leads only leads down two paths, and if it isn't diverted both lead to violence.
Here's what i've seen.
Apparently the legislature in texas is moving forward with consideration of secession being put on the 2022 ballot, and a few others confirmed, rumored up to 28, are considering the same, do i think this will go anywhere?
No of course not, one side has lost all faith in the election process, viewing it as illegitimate as the other side would not under any circumstances, allow checks and balances in their eyes, and the federal government would likely be willing to put civilian lives at risk to ensure it's wealth is not lost, thus military force being used, and a guaranteed civil war.

My sister decided to check out a local gun show recently, there were people buying weapons and ammo in bulk, things like 50 cal's, ralphas anti tank rounds etc (yes these are legal in many states and imo, always should be), people are preparing for a violence on a large scale, if cooler heads do not come to some kind of compromise, i do not think this will end well.

The problem with this entire situation is that BOTH sides hate the establishment government, while hating each other as well, the conservatives despise the republican party and the liberals despise the democrat party, if this truly get's out of hand this could furball into a civil war or even a second revolution, remember it only took 1 man, a black man ironically, getting shot by some drunken soldiers, to start the first american revolution, and the civil war was by many historians, brought to an inevitability with the dred scott v sandford case of 1858, in which a freed slave was returned to his slave master in a appeasement to southern states by the surpreme court, considered the greatest mistake the surpreme court ever made in the history of the union, it's entirely possible that the texas v 7 states case might in fact be looked at in the same way, if things do not cool down and fast.

Oh and this political censorship is only going to enflame tensions even worse, i really hope this calms down for everyone's sake, but if it doesn't, god help us all, as a us in civil war also likely means world war as we wouldn't be policing the world anymore, not only that but remember the american populace is more armed than many countries militaries combined.

 

[YumoYumo]

people buying weapons and ammo in bulk, things like 50 cal's, ralphas anti tank rounds etc (yes these are legal in many states and imo, always should be), people are preparing for a violence on a large scale

@Tatsuya-Kai God it would be great if this happened. Finally american shittards would taste their own medicine. They brought the war to many countries in recent decades but war always avoided their own shores. But most likely Trump just go down whining and that's it. Maybe some small local uprising emerge at best but will be swiftly dealt with by an army.

a us in civil war also likely means world war as we wouldn't be policing the world

It's funny how american turd considers world peace only if it's pleases the america. The good old nuclear weapons is what restrains major players (China, Russia, EU) from colliding directly. Proxy wars never stopped. But proxy wars in some distant countries is okay for "peace" as long it's not america which is burning down.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

@Tatsuya-Kai

not to mention that the news media and some of the more "extreme" in government are trying to classify anyone who identifies as a "trump supporter" or "conservative patriot" or even just anti-socialist is a domestic terrorist, this mindset leads only leads down two paths, and if it isn't diverted both lead to violence.

I mean....they're not making this very difficult....

And no, they're labeling everyone who participated as terrorists, those people are wanted by authorities. It gets uglier for military due to UCMJ Article 94 which states that:

A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/894

The increased censorship seems to be in response to increase security threats if not concerned about being the next Parler. Especially concerning the upcoming inauguration which it might as well have a target painted on it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/house-democrats-security-threats.html

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ffd29a4c5b691806c4bf199/

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/12/congress-security-threats-capitol-458317

The world is going to be fine without us, probably better off, and a civil war would be short lived without actual military hardware. What we are going to get is our own version of The Troubles and decades of material for anti-U.S propaganda.

@YumoYumo
Yeah, weird shit to read, to have gall to think the U.S should be a world police. We only do these kinds of things to maintain a sphere of influence.

 

[YumoYumo]

@EOTFOFYL pic is not complete. You should add Black's Looting Marathon members as well there and some antifas. That would perfectly show that america is completely rotten.

Yeah, weird shit to read, to have gall to think the U.S should be a world police.

Aren't you the same, mate? You just advocate for different things. But overall american agenda > everything else.