The Politics Megathread

[wowfucktron]

@Chrona
You realize the fauxazis only voted for Biden simply because they had hopes of Biden going fully senile and returning to how he was in the '70s, i.e Nixon and Reagan's levels of racism in regards to black people. In their mind Trump wasn't what Bannon had inflamed them to believe Trump was.

 

[Chrona]

@Halo
Oh, my mistake, you take having Nazis like you as a positive. I see, that resolved the issue. I didn't know you were a Nazi supporter Halo, but thank you for clarifying that. Now the rest of your shitposty behavior makes more sense. I apologize for not realizing sooner.

 

[Chrona]

@wowfucktron
I don't think that's why any Nazis supported Biden. It definitely was not a bet on his regressing back to when he associated with Klan members and accused a future supreme court justice of possibly turning his city into "a racial jungle". If anything it's a pure competence issue where it turned out Trump really was just a populist and not even a good Mussolini, let alone Hitler. If anything it's an accelerationist approach, but that's betting more on Biden dying and his VP rising to power not Biden himself who is the most milquetoast candidate the left could put out after Hillary failed spectacularly.

 

[Halo]

@Chrona I don't consider it a positive either. It is just a fact that exists: nazis love Donald.
And really, personal attacks now, of all things? I guess this is what I get for trying to agree with you on something. 😔

 

[BrapEbony]

@Halo

I don't consider it a positive either.

The only time when I actually complimented Donald

 

[Chrona]

@Halo
No more personal attacks, I already apologized for those. i just wanted to have full recognition of your support and considering Nazis liking you as a compliment as you have plainly stated as fact earlier in this thread. I'm really glad you've started to actually become ideologically consistent in this thread as opposed to just constantly deflecting. I really do apologize for attacking you earlier, I thought you were being sarcastic, but then you plainly stated you were being honest, and with no other recourse, I took exactly at your word exactly as you said it. I'm glad you've been able to come out as a Nazi supporter, viewing it again, as a compliment. I know you're trying to soften the impact of such a statement by stating it as just "being fact", but you don't have to hide yourself here.

 

[Halo]

@BrapEbony

The only time when I actually complimented Donald

Donald is nowhere near as terrible as Hitler

@Chrona oh well, whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Chrona]

@Halo
I think you missed the rest of your compliment, come on, be proud of yourself.

Donald is nowhere near as terrible as Hitler, yet nazis still love the guy

This is a great compliment, and says a lot about who you are to use it as a compliment.

 

[Halo]

@Chrona ??? If you think it's a great compliment, what's the problem?

 

[wowfucktron]

@Chrona
I can tell you don't visit sites like stormfront out of morbid curiosity...

It's both reasons actually, but mainly in hopes of him going full retard 24/7.

@Halo
Calling Trump a Hitler wannabe or even comparing him to actual authoritarians/totalitarians is quite childish as it does nothing but show that you have an overabundance of partisan hatred that prevents you from even empathizing or hearing other people out simply because you need a supervillain to be motivated to care about politics.

More importantly, it also downplays the atrocities Hitler and the Nazis committed.

 

[Chrona]

@Halo
The only problem here would be you selling yourself short Halo. You should be proud of who you are.

@wowfucktron

I can tell you don't visit sites like stormfront out of morbid curiosity...

Yes, well, unlike others in this thread I don't think that stating Nazis like someone is a compliment. Unlike those people, I don't really frequent such sites.

 

[Halo]

@wowfucktron Hello?

Donald is nowhere near as terrible as Hitler

This is the best compliment I can muster for the man. And sure, nazis love him, but I can't do anything about this fact. It just seemed like an interesting thing to mention because of the topic Chrona brought up.

@Chrona Thanks, I guess? Although getting your approval wasn't my intention when I was trying to agree with you.

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

Why make an actual argument when you can just falsely accuse the left of saying that Trump is Hitler. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676

 

[Halo]

Another fun fact: he dodged it 5 times https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html
Although again, if anything it's a good thing. I wish Hitler did the same and just stuck with painting.

 

[wowfucktron]

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess
Pardon my language, but HOLY FUCKING REVISIONISM! You're also willfully twisting words to fit your narrative, changing 'is like' to 'is.'

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/noam-chomsky-believes-trump-is-the-worst-criminal-in-human-history
When you have Chomsky, a man who rode the coattails of the Nixon administration's fuck ups to prominence, calling Trump (a conman and social media addict) worse than a genocidal authoritarian who not only caused a global war but also wanted to level his allies to prove his superiority as an intellectual and military leader, you know people are grasping at straws and are entering the definition of mudslinging.

Here's google's definition of mudslinging, by the way.
Mudslinging, noun. The use of insults and accusations, especially unjust ones, with the aim of damaging the reputation of an opponent.

Here's the link, in case I'm accused of changing definitions or bending/twisting words.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mudslinging&oq=mudslinging&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j0i395l4.2231j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

There's also countless examples just from typing 'Trump Hitler' into google.



Serious question: at what point does arguing in bad faith and using the same tactics you accuse the other side of using make you a parody of the people you bash nonstop?
My own party is gaslighting me and I feel like I'm the only one who cares enough to call it out.

 

[Chrona]

@Halo

Thanks, I guess? Although getting your approval wasn't my intention when I was trying to agree with you.

Oh, but we don't agree. See, when I say Nazis like someone, I think it's a bad comparison, not a compliment. Contrast this to you where you said quite plainly that this sentence.

Donald is nowhere near as terrible as Hitler, yet nazis still love the guy

is a compliment, and that I don't agree with, but at least you're actually taking a position that Nazis liking someone is a good thing. I was mostly having an issue before where I was thinking you were being sarcastic, which is what I was, honestly, getting annoyed about. it was my bad, we need room for everyone in this thread, from Nazi supporters, to rambling Mongolian pseudo-philsosophers. I do sincerely apologize for not thinking you were being 100% honest about thinking Nazis liking someone is a compliment.

@2SpiritCherokeePrincess

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-isnt-hitler_b_8751676

Dated December 9, 2016.

You're either malicious, or ignorant, I want to take the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the later.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opinion/trump-conspiracy-germany-1918.html
November 30, 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/23/trumps-refusal-acknowledge-defeat-mirrors-lie-that-fueled-nazi-rise/
November 23, 2020
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/words-worth/hitler-and-trump-2-megalomaniacs-inside-same-bunker-of-defeat-and-disbelief/
November 8, 2020
https://www.statesman.com/story/special/2020/08/13/commentary-trump-takes-tactics-from-hitlerrsquos-playbook/113764796/
August 13, 2020
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/central-european-history/article/an-american-fuhrer-nazi-analogies-and-the-struggle-to-explain-donald-trump/25CBE639F23D2D80870EA4D3F1E6D566
Dec 4, 2019
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/james-clyburn-trump-hitler-comparison/index.html
Mar 20, 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/30/trump-borrows-tricks-of-fascism-pittsburgh
Oct 13, 2018
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/michael-moore-compares-trump-to-hitler-in-new-documentary---.html
Sep 17. 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/07/16/its-not-wrong-to-compare-trumps-america-to-the-holocaust-heres-why/
July 18, 2018
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/strongmen-trump-liberal-world-order_b_9661636
Dec 6, 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/13/dont-compare-donald-trump-to-adolf-hitler-it-belittles-hitler/
Sep 13, 2016
https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/opinion/2016/04/08/similarities-donald-trump-hitler-truly-striking/82806958/
Apr 6, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hitler-ification-of-donald-trump/
Mar 6, 2016

At best, the articles I have seen that did not accuse Trump of being Hitler from the Left where Leftist berating other Leftists about whether the comparison is fair. As if they should even be in the same arena.

 

[Halo]

@Chrona

See, when I say Nazis like someone, I think it's a bad comparison...

I think you shouldn't be using guilt by association... What makes you so sure they like him because of their nazi ways and not some other reason?

 

[Chrona]

@Halo

I think you shouldn't be using guilt by association... What makes you so sure they like him because of their nazi ways and not some other reason?

Because people like you think it's a compliment and that's enough for me, and unlike you, I take a moral stand against the violence the Nazis perpetuated.

 

[Halo]

@Chrona Then we disagree after all and I understood your post completely wrong. Personally, I don't think Donald is even remotely comparable to Hitler.

 

[BrapEbony]

@Halo
You seem to fundamentally misunderstand how guilt by association works. Everyone here except you hates Nazis, this is implicit. I understand you may not grasp this, but we all agree that Nazis are bad, unlike you. By supposing that Nazis like something, you can now pass it off to any observers that they are the ones making the connection that Trump is associated with Nazis, and while for you it's a good thing, as you've stated, for us it's a bad thing. It's not our fault you set up the sentence that made this association, you are the one who used it as a debate tactic Halo.