The Politics Megathread

[M0NST3R]

@kaldrak
A) Using Japan as an example is a little bad here as they got over most of it not through mask wearing, but through locking down the borders. Plus cultural norms of frequently cleaning public spaces.

B) When Trump had attempted to lock down he was criticized as being racist rather than what should have been the criticism of "Why haven't you locked down everywhere else?" which would have had an impact.

C) You are vastly, and I do mean VASTLY, underestimating how much the State Governors fucked up in the early days. NY and CA locking down as hard and as quickly as they did caused a surge of people to leave the respective states and likely led to the issue of widespread outbreaks in other states. That's not even including Cuomo sending COVID patients into Nursing Homes.

 

[Kaldrak]

@M0NST3R Do you honestly think that if we had another 30-40% of the population wearing masks instead of flouting them as some kind of 'don't tread on me' statement, that we wouldn't have saved countless lives?

 

[readingsit]

@Kaldrak

Record high unemployment, hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, and half the country financially screwed is that great to you?

im not going to blame trump for the black swan event that is the wuhan-flu. it hit the entire planet and the economy of said planet was in free fall are you going to blame trump for the problems in the UK? france? austrailia? germany? they all had the same problems and they were also trying to stop it. everyone failed. blaming trump for the results that every country on earth shared from such an event is dumb. so to see the effects of trumps policy we had to look before the wuhan-flu. "preventable deaths" the hospitals were not overwhelmed, for the first time in world history a vaccine was made withen a year, if we remove the states that decided to throw infected patients into nursing homes(a policy the trump admin was VERY against) our death rate is on the low end of the world.

facemasks were manadatory in many of the less-free countries around the world and they were hit just as hard if not more so. masks are not enough. california has never reopened in any real way and florida has never shut down in any real way and the two states are comparable even thought florida has the oldest population in the USA

I would kindly point to Japan, a country which has almost universal mask wearing and over a hundred and fifty million people

i looked up the deaths per capita from covid total here are the top countries until you reach the USA:
Belgium(mask mandate)
Slovenia(mask mandate)
United Kingdom
Czechia(mask mandate)
Italy(mask mandate)
Portugal
Bosnia and Herzegovina(mask mandate)
USA

success or failure does not look like it is attached to masking mandates

 

[Hornyturtle]

Their was a shortage of masks so the message being sent out was don't buy them so healthcare workers had access to them.

If you want to blame anyone for covid, blame the world health organisation (who)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM

 

[M0NST3R]

@kaldrak I genuinely don't know. I'll admit it is a fair statement in the sense that you would have likely reduced infections, which would have reduced deaths via less people infected. American deaths are primarily driven by Co-morbidities.

Part of the issue with the masks is that it provided people a false sense of protection so they were likely to continue normal behavior, which has the downside of being risk taking behavior in the current circumstances. People likely inadvertently spread COVID through surfaces or less than useful masks that wound up infecting other people who probably did wear masks, but may have not done certain things such as using hand sanitizer after being in public before touching their face.

A lot of people also probably use their masks more than they should, which has the risk of getting people sick, though the possibility of that is low admittedly.

Another factor that affected the infection and death rates is the fact that the medical system was largely unprepared to handle a pandemic. We didn't have enough ventilators and PPE (Hence Faucci telling people to not wear masks during the early days), hell my local Hospital didn't even have any at the start of the Pandemic, it had to be shipped in from a different hospital in the state. Had hospitals been better prepared a lot of people may also be alive today.

TL;DR I personally don't know but probably.

 

[EOTFOFYL]

 

[wowfucktron]

@eotfofyl
Everyone knows the cool kids use plastic wrap instead of tinfoil.

 

[Hornyturtle]

Masks don't prevent dictatorships

 

[2SpiritCherokeePrincess]

 

[readingsit]

if the argument is that we need masks to keep cannibalistic psychopaths from biting people then i would agree we should use a mask...but that isnt the argument. btw the mask being worn in the picture would protect you from the wuhan flu about as well as the average mask people are wearing

 

[EOTFOFYL]

 

[M0NST3R]

Can we talk about how Joe Biden said he doesn't think Minorities know how to use the internet?
Not even in a political context, just how in the hell does a man say that and not get laughed out of the room?

 

[readingsit]

he also said that if you dont vote for him then you arent black. the double standard is clear:
republican: "voter ID seems like a good idea" left: "your racist and should be bared from running for public office ever again"
democrat: "blacks are stupid and should do what i tell them" left: "oh, your so silly! here, have the presidency!"

 

[immortalartisan]

@M0NST3R at least it’s gonna be a new flavor of hell.

 

[Dr_siegbert_dirk]

@Kaldrak

Record high unemployment, hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths, and half the country financially screwed is that great to you?

You are aware that this is the CCP's fault, not Blumpfs? Not only the US, even us Europeans have to deal with the same bullshit - unemployment, economic collapse, countless preventable deaths. The Chinese collectively screwed up the rest of the world. None of the blame for the pandemic falls on Blumpf. `

Sure Blumpf could have saved thousands of lives, so could have his opponents by not spreading conspiracy theories about the virus back in February, calling travel bans "raysis" and unneeded and encouraging people to go out to eat in Chinatown.

I would kindly point to Japan, a country which has almost universal mask wearing and over a hundred and fifty million people. Their transmission and death rates for the entire pandemic don't come close to what ours are in a WEEK

Oh right y'kno what else the Japanese did? Shut down their borders... https://www.google.com/search?q=japan+entry+ban&tbs=cdr:1,cd_max:3/31/2020&source=lnms&tbm=nws

 

[Dr_siegbert_dirk]

@readingsit
To be honest i was shocked when i learned that the US doesn't require you to prove your identity in order to vote. Pretty much every country here in Europe requires you to do so with a government issued ID or passport, nothing short of that is acceptable.

 

[M0NST3R]

@Dr_siegbert_dirk Unfortunately, given the history of voter suppression in several states (Not just the South) advocating for requirements to vote tends to put you on your back foot.

The reason for opposition usually falls into one of two camps.

1. The people against it are racist and think anyone who isn't white is incapable of going to a DMV or providing everything they need to get an ID

2. People in power suggested doing an entirely separate ID for voting and are worried that it is going to be a backdoor way to voter suppression via reduced access to public offices.

 

[readingsit]

To be honest i was shocked when i learned that the US doesn't require you to prove your identity in order to vote. Pretty much every country here in Europe requires you to do so with a government issued ID or passport, nothing short of that is acceptable.

the people over here who are against voter ID also love pouring praise on their european friends but whenever a once-in-a-blue-moon event occures where they actually have a good idea the people shouting all the praise pretend that idea doesnt exist. the two examples that come to mind are voter id of course and at least a little bit of regulation on abortion. in california if the baby is going to be born in an hour you can still request an abortion, it is outright evil.
and dont even get me started about that time they voted down a law that protects babies that survive an abortion.

 

[Kaldrak]

@Dr_siegbert_dirk I dunno why you think I'm against border shutdowns in the midst of a fucking global pandemic.

 

[readingsit]

@Kaldrak
pretty sure his point is that it wasnt masks that minimized infections in japan but border shutdowns mixed with them being an island.