TS Eiseihei-san no Senjou Nikki - Ch. 12

[VinylAT]

Groundless is one first comes to mind. Not exactly trench warfare, but it's there with the depicting war on the common soldier's pov.

Yeah Groundless is awesome. It's more of ww2 era conflict than trench warfare, but it is, indeed, amazing. Shame that it takes a while to update.

 

[TestAddress]

Death Flag Spotted...

This. Touri foreshadowed it in this chapter page 8... mentioning what is the nature of recruits after their battalion got destroyed.

I guess only Touri and 1 other person will get out of the battalion alive.

 

[Kireato]

This can be the World War 1 of YS, while Tanya is World War 2

In Youjo Senki, there is just one Great War that starts in "1924" and it has some events reminiscent of WW1 and WW2.

Think of this as a documentary, since our own World War 1 costed around 60 millions of souls. Their Great War with magic could bring more casualties than ours, and it's quite horrifying.

Well, the number of casualties is always limited by the number of people that can actually be sent out to fight (so based on initial population count of the involved parties) and the weapons, ammo and food they are able to manufacture (since part of the population still needs to be assigned to these tasks). Once one side runs out, they start getting overrun and then have to surrender (since that's better than annihilation).
I'm not sure that the use of magic significantly changes how things play out since most don't have magic and technology is still a large part of how things are done. Medics can't do their work without medical supplies for instance. Guns, bullets, grenades, food, etc. still need to be manufactured and transported to the front lines. Magic bombardment squads can be killed or run out of food so they're not inexhaustible. Even if someone has talent for magic, it takes time to train for it (for instance, Touri may be able to use healing magic, but she has started out with a small mana pool and not knowing how to do it or create shields with magic). Mana pool also limits the scale of magic destruction; once you develop rockets or nuclear bombs, does a magic bombardment squad even serve a purpose?
So yeah, the magic is just another tool in the war but its effect is not exactly unique and can be replaced by other tools to wage war. The scale of the conflict, and the number of casualties, actually depends on the size of the economies in conflicts.

 

[Oklam]

Which is more cruel for a human to do? Watch him/her patient die one by one at his/her side, or abandon your comrade on the battlefield to survive?

i would ask rather :
which is more cruel?
having to give the last antibiotic to someone you're 100% sure will survive even without it, instead of giving to someone with 30% of chance to survive even with it?
or
abandon your comrade on the battlefield to survive?

a more fair choice

 

[tobias5678]

The doctor's scalpel is made sharp to cut off diseased parts not to slash throats.

 

[Suzuran]

Triage must suck so badly watching people slowly die in front of you

If you think that's bad, try pediatric palliative care.

 

[Veruschka]

That corporal is going to die

 

[parkourse]

GO GO GO MOVE

 

[BlackElite]

I'm not sure that the use of magic significantly changes how things play out since most don't have magic and technology is still a large part of how things are done. Medics can't do their work without medical supplies for instance. Guns, bullets, grenades, food, etc. still need to be manufactured and transported to the front lines. Magic bombardment squads can be killed or run out of food so they're not inexhaustible. Even if someone has talent for magic, it takes time to train for it (for instance, Touri may be able to use healing magic, but she has started out with a small mana pool and not knowing how to do it or create shields with magic). Mana pool also limits the scale of magic destruction; once you develop rockets or nuclear bombs, does a magic bombardment squad even serve a purpose?
So yeah, the magic is just another tool in the war but its effect is not exactly unique and can be replaced by other tools to wage war. The scale of the conflict, and the number of casualties, actually depends on the size of the economies in conflicts.

Precision bombing at the size of human, that alone can create a variable in the war. While of course technology is capable of doing the same, there are instances of people cutting down bullets, creating bulletproof shields, and mowing down hundreds of people alone. That is impossible to recreate with technology, but the sheer number of enemies makes it less significant. Anyway, what I want to say is that magic, while someday will be outperformed by technology, is still something to be reckoned with in that war Touri is part of.

 

[stainx]

Spoiler: Light spoiler about the world’s setting

This is originally a world of low magic with the classic knights, soldiers and very rarely mage , its pretty low magic and grounded. It’s just that MC’s country and the enemy’s country have been at each others throat for so long they keep inventing new ways to kill and all the techs are funneled into war.This looks like the 19th century but its actually like early 18th’s since the war itself warped these country so much.

 

[Kampfarsch]

Let's hope some plot kicks in during this battle
I get the joke of trench warfare being never ending cancer but the manga wont last long if it just repeats the same pattern of
useless battle -> mc gets beat up to satisfy the fujos -> some time wasted doing nothing and helping at the clinic

Tanya the Evil LN shows the big picture. While Tanya and her elite squad do well, you do see the effects of war as it drags on. But I'll have to explain a bit:

• Original title is Youjou Senki aka "YS" translated as Young Girl's Military Chronicle
• YS LN is quite different from the manga and the anime.
• Main character of YS isn't Tanya, but rather "War". Tanya is just the main viewpoint for viewing war.
• YS isn't "War is Bad" rather it's "Mechanics of War" at mid to high level. Some strategy, logistics, military decisions, politics, spying, negotiation, etc.
• While the Empire does well in the early part of the war, things become much more difficult in the later part of the war.
• After a while you see the effect of the war on the citizens, the economy, etc.

Overall, while YS is a quite different story from this, this story is pretty compatible with YS world. I could easily see this as a different viewpoint in the YS world. (Though the world lore would require a bit of tweaking, since mages in YS are all aerial mages, vs here where they're mostly (all?) ground based.

Tanya is very boring for different reasons
One of them being that we know she will lose the war, so everything not directly related to her feels like a complete waste of time

 

[kaminomikan]

so how much time do you think is left, before ww3 starts? will it be before or after 2050? what you think?

 

[PeopsSplex]

So... Still don't understand why this needed to be an isekai+genderswap. What's the point again?

 

[kaezeribato]

Welcome to war, and we are fighting against leaders who pretend to care for us while tossing us to the meat grinder. Why did they not bother expanding cemeteries, and rather decrease it?

Guess what is your hamburger made of? Yes, it is.

It's not war, it's democracy and modern day politics.
In the past tribe chief and Kings alike fought in wars with their people, but it seem people still prefer modern politician.

 

[Lev559]

Thanks for the chapter!

The webnovel for this series is actually almost over. It’ll probably end with the next few weeks.

Would highly recommend it.

It's not even close to being over. It's almost caught up with the raw, but the raw is ongoing

 

[Lev559]

Tanya the Evil LN shows the big picture. While Tanya and her elite squad do well, you do see the effects of war as it drags on. But I'll have to explain a bit:

• Original title is Youjou Senki aka "YS" translated as Young Girl's Military Chronicle
• YS LN is quite different from the manga and the anime.
• Main character of YS isn't Tanya, but rather "War". Tanya is just the main viewpoint for viewing war.
• YS isn't "War is Bad" rather it's "Mechanics of War" at mid to high level. Some strategy, logistics, military decisions, politics, spying, negotiation, etc.
• While the Empire does well in the early part of the war, things become much more difficult in the later part of the war.
• After a while you see the effect of the war on the citizens, the economy, etc.

Overall, while YS is a quite different story from this, this story is pretty compatible with YS world. I could easily see this as a different viewpoint in the YS world. (Though the world lore would require a bit of tweaking, since mages in YS are all aerial mages, vs here where they're mostly (all?) ground based.

I don't really think Tanya the Evil is quite the same. I will agree it's the closest thing to this, but it's not nearly as dark..and hopeless. For one, Tanya is crazy powerful..and is a bit of a sociopath so things like killing and sacrificing people don't bother her. But the MC in this one is different, as a healer they are basically defenseless, AND they are a generally kind and caring person...which makes war suck so much more since the people you care about are going to get killed in a war. It also deals with things like hazing, martial punishment, sexual assault, prostitution..and generally just gets into the nitty gritty about just how much a war like this would have sucked. Tanya does touch on some of these things, but it's far more surface level and instead chooses to focus on the action and overall grand scale of the war

 

[Lev559]

So... Still don't understand why this needed to be an isekai+genderswap. What's the point again?

Why not?

 

[ErikTheRed]

It's not even close to being over. It's almost caught up with the raw, but the raw is ongoing

The author has stated he's currently writing the last arc of the web novel

 

[StormSen]

I don't really think Tanya the Evil is quite the same. I will agree it's the closest thing to this, but it's not nearly as dark..and hopeless. For one, Tanya is crazy powerful..and is a bit of a sociopath so things like killing and sacrificing people don't bother her. But the MC in this one is different, as a healer they are basically defenseless, AND they are a generally kind and caring person...which makes war suck so much more since the people you care about are going to get killed in a war. It also deals with things like hazing, martial punishment, sexual assault, prostitution..and generally just gets into the nitty gritty about just how much a war like this would have sucked. Tanya does touch on some of these things, but it's far more surface level and instead chooses to focus on the action and overall grand scale of the war

Note: I totally rewrote this response...

I don't think that we're disagreeing much here.

In any case, I agree that they're not the same, but someone interested in this story might also be interested in Tanya The Evil, since it tells a closely related story.

Also, as a lover of the YS LN, I've got to note that LN Tanya isn't the psychopath that the anime sometimes portrays her as. She's more of nice sociopath. ... Well, maybe not nice... more like a non-malicious sociopath who enjoys a cup of coffee and hates the waste of human resources.

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the chapter