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Alright, Chapter 76 is out and free to read. A lot of talking going on with Moka continue to take center stage. Read the summary and chapter to understand what's going on.


The chapter begins with Ueno preparing to go home after spending such an eventful day with Moka. Moka mentioned that she heard that Chisaki is Ueno's next-door neighbor, which Ueno confirms. Ueno also told Moka that he's planning to move out from his room next month so that won't be a problem anymore. Later, once Moka gets to her bed, she thinks about the friendship she has with Chisaki and Tsubomi, obviously feeling conflicted after learning the truth about them.

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The next day, Moka runs into Kanako. Moka tried to walk past Kanako without saying a word, but Kanako calls her out to stop her. Moka revealed to Kanako that she is aware about the bully trio's true relationship with Ueno and how they were bullying him since middle school. Kanako barely interacts with Moka for Moka to feel conflicted about her, but the same cannot be said about Moka's relationship with Tsubomi and Chisaki. Moka is still trying to process what the two have done to Ueno in her own way but she's having trouble coming to terms with it. Moka also mentioned that Ueno is probably feel the same way in trying to process the entire situation.

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Kanako apologized to Moka and promised her that she won't go near Ueno anymore. Moka asked Kanako why is she doing that and Kanako's reasoning for bullying Ueno. Kanako explained that she only bullied Ueno so he would direct his sexual desires towards Kanako and not Chisaki, but since Chisaki rejected her, Kanako doesn't have any reason to continue bullying Ueno. Just like in Chapter 70, Moka seemingly absorbed everything what Kanako said to her without being too shocked by mentioning how the bully trio are full of details that she didn't know about...

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As Moka prepares to leave, Tsubomi bumps into both Moka and Kanako. Tsubomi noticed how rare it is to see Moka and Kanako talking ( Tsubomi isn't wrong on that part, lol). Seeing Tsubomi's face caused Moka to feel conflicted which Kanako noticed. Tsubomi tried dragging Moka to a shop that sells ice cream when Moka begin to tear up, stunning Tsubomi. Moka told Tsubomi that today isn't the best day for that and then walked to a different location to be by herself.

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Once alone, Moka expressed her frustrations by calling the bully trio idiots. Moka also expressed her frustrations towards Ueno, for getting aroused over their bullying. The chapter ends with Moka cursing at the dilemma she is currently facing.

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Oh man, this confliction Moka is currently having with Ueno & the bully trio is eating her alive. Repeatedly, Moka tries not to act too bothered hearing these shocking revelations from them, but when Moka is alone, the facade crumbles as Moka struggles to process the complicated relationship Ueno has with the bully trio, her jealously, and her lack of physical compatibility with Ueno. Learning that your two good friends have a troubling relationship with your boyfriend is a complicated situation to deal with and running a gauntlet in trying to process, figure out, and getting them to reveal the truth is a draining experience to deal with as well.

One clear-cut solution is for Moka to cut ties with Tsubomi and Chisaki, but man, those two are genuinely her friends. One bonded over tennis, the other bonded over music. When Moka was at her most vulnerable to Riku during the tennis camp arc, the bully trio ( well mostly Chisaki) did their best to ward him off during the time when Ueno was too oblivious/stunned to do anything.

Also, if Moka decides not to be Tsubomi's friend anymore, one of them is going to resign from the tennis club due to the awkward nature of the situation.

It will be a lot easier if Moka gathers the bully trio and lay out her frustrations instead of dealing with them one by one....and with Chisaki planning to talk with Ueno, Moka is going to feel restless about them even talking.

Sheesh, it was a lot simpler when Moka acted as the oblivious maiden friend to Ueno while the bully trio had their way with him.

Heh heh, those were different days...
 
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I'm fully expecting Riku to come back at some stage and I don't believe for a single moment he's going to try and get with Manaka again, if anything, Chisaki is the one that worries me, I just hope Ueno stays true to Manaka if Chisaki does confess.

It's an event I'm look forward in seeing.

With Chisaki learning about Kanako's reasoning of bullying Ueno and her friendship with Moka, it should sour Chisaki's willingness in continuing bullying Ueno. A good outcome to the talk is Chisaki's words will be the push for Ueno to break his programming and set up a path for Chisaki to find arousal beyond bullying Ueno. Maybe Ueno will also remember the reason why he stole Chisaki's gym clothes if the author isn't planning to leave that part ambiguous.
 
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It's an event I'm look forward in seeing.

With Chisaki learning about Kanako's reasoning of bullying Ueno and her friendship with Moka, it should sour Chisaki's willingness in continuing bullying Ueno. A good outcome to the talk is Chisaki's words will be the push for Ueno to break his programming and set up a path for Chisaki to find arousal beyond bullying Ueno. Maybe Ueno will also remember the reason why he stole Chisaki's gym clothes if the author isn't planning to leave that part ambiguous.
Not gonna lie, afraid Chisaki is gonna gaslight Ueno. When it comes to her friends she is really a great one to have, but Ueno isn't her friend, idk if she is even romantically attracted to him. Like on one hand I do see some, well not fault since you are into what you are into, but compliance with Ueno's relationship with the bully trio that makes it hard to call him a victim, but I am hoping chiskaki isn't gonna try to make him feel like he is entirely at wrong also especially since she did try to fuck him against his will and almost succeeded. I am with you I. The hope that Chisaki encourages him to move on if anything else, but I have a feeling she is gonna be harsher on him than she has the right to be, if she isn't i feel it could be for Moka's sake, even if she thinks Ueno may not deserve her.

As far as Moka goes, I really hope she can work things out with Tsubomi, since she does feel genuinely bad and honestly was the least harsh of the three (prolly why I liked her scenes the least, but I can acknowledge she is a little cinnamon roll that I wanna see happy). Honestly I want everyone involved to have a happy ending but Moka really deserves one I feel. Unlike Ueno, I do see her as a victim to what Riku did. Not to downplay Uenos situation, but his relationship with the bullies was always established, Riku straight up played Moka and her emotions. After all of that and now this drama she found herself in, girl needs a win. I do see maybe her talk with Chisaki going ok, mainly with again how Chisaki treats those she sees as her friend, maybe even apologizing, though I don't think she tried to put her hands in Ueno after he got together with Moka. If Moka decided they can't be friends, I see Chisaki not giving any pushback at the very least.
 
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Alright, Chapter 76 is out and free to read. A lot of talking going on with Moka continue to take center stage. Read the summary and chapter to understand what's going on.
The way I see it, right now? I just can't see how Moka and Chisaki can remain friends, to begin with unlike Kanako and Tsubomi, she hasn't really shown remorse for what she's done to Ueno and I can't help but feel like she really won't, be it stubbornness or just her ego.

As for Tsubomi, that is certainly a more tragic situation since it goes without say she's shown the most remorse and desire to change out of the trio and I also think there's going to be more conflict here, Chisaki might have been fine with finding out Kanako was also getting sexual with Ueno but I can't help but feel like Tsubomi will feel differently when everything is out in the open.

Not gonna lie, afraid Chisaki is gonna gaslight Ueno. When it comes to her friends she is really a great one to have, but Ueno isn't her friend, idk if she is even romantically attracted to him. Like on one hand I do see some, well not fault since you are into what you are into, but compliance with Ueno's relationship with the bully trio that makes it hard to call him a victim, but I am hoping chiskaki isn't gonna try to make him feel like he is entirely at wrong also especially since she did try to fuck him against his will and almost succeeded. I am with you I. The hope that Chisaki encourages him to move on if anything else, but I have a feeling she is gonna be harsher on him than she has the right to be, if she isn't i feel it could be for Moka's sake, even if she thinks Ueno may not deserve her.

As far as Moka goes, I really hope she can work things out with Tsubomi, since she does feel genuinely bad and honestly was the least harsh of the three (prolly why I liked her scenes the least, but I can acknowledge she is a little cinnamon roll that I wanna see happy). Honestly I want everyone involved to have a happy ending but Moka really deserves one I feel. Unlike Ueno, I do see her as a victim to what Riku did. Not to downplay Uenos situation, but his relationship with the bullies was always established, Riku straight up played Moka and her emotions. After all of that and now this drama she found herself in, girl needs a win. I do see maybe her talk with Chisaki going ok, mainly with again how Chisaki treats those she sees as her friend, maybe even apologizing, though I don't think she tried to put her hands in Ueno after he got together with Moka. If Moka decided they can't be friends, I see Chisaki not giving any pushback at the very least.

Yea, my thoughts are on the same lines, as much as I want to believe Chisaki is going to roll over and respect Ueno's relationship with Moka, I can't help but think she is going to make one last desperate play, if she does go down that route, I'd be interested in seeing if Tsubomi turns against her.

Like Late Komei suggest, what really needs to happen is Moka sits down and talks with the trio at the same time, get everything out in the open and then Chisaki can have her talk with Ueno and move on peacefully and I think marginally a peaceful resolution is still possible but there's every chance we might see some final wackiness before the story concludes.
 
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I know it rubbed some people the wrong way when Chisaki blamed both herself and Ueno for causing Kanako to act horrible to him so I can see the possibility of Chisaki initially trying to gaslight Ueno to come back to his slave status. The big issue is if Chisaki is willing to torpedo her friendship with Moka if she managed to convince Ueno to do that.

As for Chisaki's possible romantic feelings for Ueno- well that's something I wrestle back and forth with. Chisaki does have abnormal attachment towards Ueno at the very least. Throughout the story, as early as the first chapter, Chisaki repeatedly and adamantly denies liking Ueno whenever someone brings it up. You could chalk it up as tsundere behavior or in reality she actually only truly likes Ueno sexually and nothing more.

As for the fate of Chisaki's friendship with Moka...they did promise each other that they'll smoke together when Moka turns 20. If Chiskai is willing to change and find a different stimuli that doesn't involve Ueno, I think Chisaki's friendship with Moka will remain intact and that promise will be fulfilled.
 
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Chapter is out Ueno and Chisaki have started talking and honestly, the way it's looking, we might get a clean ending after all, Ueno is coming clean with how all this started and Chisaki isn't trying anything she DID confess but she also apologised, I honestly think this might be it.
 
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I'll post my thoughts at a later time. Chapter looks great honestly.


Chapter is out Ueno and Chisaki have started talking and honestly, the way it's looking, we might get a clean ending after all, Ueno is coming clean with how all this started and Chisaki isn't trying anything she DID confess but she also apologised, I honestly think this might be it.

Moka just HAD to be there for the Ueno-Chisaki talk. Ah, well...
 
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I'll post my thoughts at a later time. Chapter looks great honestly.




Moka just HAD to be there for the Ueno-Chisaki talk. Ah, well...


It would have been interesting to see Ueno and Chisaki having a one on one conversation to settle everything but I suppose this way, this helps clear the situation for Moka as well and will probably help how she views Chisaki.
 
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Alright Chapter 77 is out and free to read. At last, Chisaki will have her talk with Ueno. What will be outcome of it? Read the chapter and summary to find out.

The chapter begins with Chisaki laying bed looking at photos of Moka and Kanako. She then scrolled to a picture of a humiliating photo of Ueno, which caused Chisaki to curse his name. Speaking of Ueno, he's busying packing as he prepared to move out of his room. Moka is also planning to help Ueno out as well. As she prepared to leave her sister's room, Hina asked Moka if her relationship with Ueno is doing well. Moka made a smile and said "yeah" which Hina replied " I see...".

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Moka left her sister's place wondering if she's leaving too early (lol, of course you did. :rolleyes:). Meanwhile, while Ueno was busy packing, he heard a knock on the door. He opened the door expecting Moka but in reality, it was Chisaki. Chisaki noted the boxes in Ueno's place and asked him if he's moving, which Ueno simply answered "yeah". Chisaki brushed it off, and told Ueno to step outside for a moment, just in time for Moka to climb up the stairs to witness their upcoming conversation.

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Once outside, Chisaki asked Ueno if he's aware of the current situation of Moka's and Kanako's suffering. Chisaki asked a rhetorical question of who is the cause of their suffering before answering for Ueno that is both her and Ueno's fault for the reason why they are in that state. Chisaki then asked Ueno how will he take responsibility which Ueno was confused about. Chisaki clarified by asking Ueno whenever or not they should end their relationship, furthering confusing Ueno. I think Chisaki explained that both she and Ueno are both dependent with each other. Ueno denies it but Chisaki replied that he is, and then she confessed to Ueno...that she is fine to continue bullying him.

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(Wow, what a 'confession', lol)

But I think Chisaki mentioned that is her true feelings of Ueno, putting everything aside of the current situation. Ueno asked Chisaki that he thought the point of the conversation is that being dependent on him is a bad thing which Chisaki doesn't deny. However, Chisaki then asked Ueno what's his true feelings about their relationship so they can start working on it based on his answer.

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Before Ueno could respond, Moka let herself to be known to both Ueno and Chisaki, surprising them both.

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Things get completely tense between the three as Moka walked up to a stunned Ueno and asked him if he wants to continue his S&M relationship with Chisaki and give her an honest answer. Ueno then had a flashback of him and his inner-self watching over Chisaki's gym clothes in middle school. Ueno's inner-self asked Ueno why is he hesitating to answer the question, which Ueno denies as knows the answer: he wants to change for Moka's sake. Ueno's inner-self then asked Ueno why doesn't he immediately say the answer. Ueno wondered to his inner self if his answer would be enough to save Chisaki, which confused his inner self. Ueno explained by saying that the only person that is making Chisaki suffer...is himself.


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The chapter ends with Chisaki and Moka staring at Ueno, waiting for his answer that will determine the relationship between them forever.

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Can't you have both, Ueno? 😫

Hm....I'm not sure what to think about this chapter, especially Chisaki's 'confession'. She still wants to bully Ueno but only if Ueno is still onboard with it. If Ueno actually said yes, will Chisaki still get in the mood to continue bullying Ueno even after knowing Kanako's and Moka's thoughts about it? I don't think so.

I also know it might rub some readers the wrong way that Chisaki is again grouping the blame to both her and Ueno for causing the suffering of Kanako and Moka (i.e victim blaming). As shown throughout the manga, Ueno does blame himself for the bullying due to him breaking the trust he had with presumably his only friends in middle school, so I can see Ueno not completely disagreeing with Chisaki's take that the both of them need to take responsibility for their actions. That is also why I think Ueno wants to give an answer beyond bluntly telling Chisaki to end their relationship and dismiss her since she can't get aroused by anyone or anything besides bullying Ueno. I get it, it's not his responsibility to help Chisaki get aroused by other means, but it will be a lot easier for Chisaki to move on from him if Ueno do manage to set up a path for Chisaki to do that.

I also do wish Moka wasn't present for the talk as I wanted strictly Ueno and Chisaki figure out the future of their relationship together. She keeps popping up at the worst moments too. Give her heart some rest, author! Sheesh!

Ah well, on the bright side, depending on Ueno's answer, Chisaki can start mending the relationship with Moka right away. We'll see...
 
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Alright Chapter 77 is out and free to read. At last, Chisaki will have her talk with Ueno. What will be outcome of it? Read the chapter and summary to find out.

The chapter begins with Chisaki laying bed looking at photos of Moka and Kanako. She then scrolled to a picture of a humiliating photo of Ueno, which caused Chisaki to curse his name. Speaking of Ueno, he's busying packing as he prepared to move out of his room. Moka is also planning to help Ueno out as well. As she prepared to leave her sister's room, Hina asked Moka if her relationship with Ueno is doing well. Moka made a smile and said "yeah" which Hina replied " I see...".

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Moka left her sister's place wondering if she's leaving too early (lol, of course you did. :rolleyes:). Meanwhile, while Ueno was busy packing, he heard a knock on the door. He opened the door expecting Moka but in reality, it was Chisaki. Chisaki noted the boxes in Ueno's place and asked him if he's moving, which Ueno simply answered "yeah". Chisaki brushed it off, and told Ueno to step outside for a moment, just in time for Moka to climb up the stairs to witness their upcoming conversation.

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Once outside, Chisaki asked Ueno if he's aware of the current situation of Moka's and Kanako's suffering. Chisaki asked a rhetorical question of who is the cause of their suffering before answering for Ueno that is both her and Ueno's fault for the reason why they are in that state. Chisaki then asked Ueno how will he take responsibility which Ueno was confused about. Chisaki clarified by asking Ueno whenever or not they should end their relationship, furthering confusing Ueno. I think Chisaki explained that both she and Ueno are both dependent with each other. Ueno denies it but Chisaki replied that he is, and then she confessed to Ueno...that she is fine to continue bullying him.

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(Wow, what a 'confession', lol)

But I think Chisaki mentioned that is her true feelings of Ueno, putting everything aside of the current situation. Ueno asked Chisaki that he thought the point of the conversation is that being dependent on him is a bad thing which Chisaki doesn't deny. However, Chisaki then asked Ueno what's his true feelings about their relationship so they can start working on it based on his answer.

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Before Ueno could respond, Moka let herself to be known to both Ueno and Chisaki, surprising them both.

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Things get completely tense between the three as Moka walked up to a stunned Ueno and asked him if he wants to continue his S&M relationship with Chisaki and give her an honest answer. Ueno then had a flashback of him and his inner-self watching over Chisaki's gym clothes in middle school. Ueno's inner-self asked Ueno why is he hesitating to answer the question, which Ueno denies as knows the answer: he wants to change for Moka's sake. Ueno's inner-self then asked Ueno why doesn't he immediately say the answer. Ueno wondered to his inner self if his answer would be enough to save Chisaki, which confused his inner self. Ueno explained by saying that the only person that is making Chisaki suffer...is himself.


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The chapter ends with Chisaki and Moka staring at Ueno, waiting for his answer that will determine the relationship between them forever.

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Can't you have both, Ueno? 😫

Hm....I'm not sure what to think about this chapter, especially Chisaki's 'confession'. She still wants to bully Ueno but only if Ueno is still onboard with it. If Ueno actually said yes, will Chisaki still get in the mood to continue bullying Ueno even after knowing Kanako's and Moka's thoughts about it? I don't think so.

I also know it might rub some readers the wrong way that Chisaki is again grouping the blame to both her and Ueno for causing the suffering of Kanako and Moka (i.e victim blaming). As shown throughout the manga, Ueno does blame himself for the bullying due to him breaking the trust he had with presumably his only friends in middle school, so I can see Ueno not completely disagreeing with Chisaki's take that the both of them need to take responsibility for their actions. That is also why I think Ueno wants to give an answer beyond bluntly telling Chisaki to end their relationship and dismiss her since she can't get aroused by anyone or anything besides bullying Ueno. I get it, it's not his responsibility to help Chisaki get aroused by other means, but it will be a lot easier for Chisaki to move on from him if Ueno do manage to set up a path for Chisaki to do that.

I also do wish Moka wasn't present for the talk as I wanted strictly Ueno and Chisaki figure out the future of their relationship together. She keeps popping up at the worst moments too. Give her heart some rest, author! Sheesh!

Ah well, on the bright side, depending on Ueno's answer, Chisaki can start mending the relationship with Moka right away. We'll see...

Yea, sounds like Ueno DOES want to put an end to things, Chisaki is also showing a willingness to put an end to things considering she didn't jump him or try touching him sexually, it's all dependant on Ueno's answer though and I don't have any reason to think he's going to give a twisted answer now, he's going to make it clear he loves Moka, so both he can Chisaki can move on.

I do agree that Ueno and Chisaki probably should have had this conversation alone, but since Moka is here, atleast if Ueno gives a wild curveball of answer then Moka's heart can be spared further nonsense, but this whole situation seems to be playing out straight, which makes me think it could just end in the next 10 or more chapters so, I think the author said it was coming to an end right? In that case, if Ueno gives a proper answer next chapter, Riku never shows up again and Moka either breaks things off with Tsubomi and Chisaki or mends her friendship then it could easily end.

I have mixed feelings though, if the series does start ending then obviously the fun times come to an end, atleast as far as Tsubomi, Chisaki and Kanako are concerned but of course, it could be very easy for the author to throw a curveball.
 
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Alright Chapter 78 is out and free to read. What will be Ueno's response and how will Moka and Chisaki react? Read the story and the summary to find out.

The chapter begins with Ueno telling both Moka and Chisaki that he wants to be with the former as that is what he truly feels. In his head, Ueno claims that he's not lying about that statement. Chisaki replied by saying it's annoying for Ueno to answer her so bluntly even though he was her slave the whole time. Moka interjects for Ueno's behalf, by telling Chisaki that Ueno is not her slave and he's not a toy for Chisaki to mess with. Moka asked Chisaki why she only bully Ueno and wonders if it's her strange way of showcasing her romantic feelings towards Ueno. Chisaki dismissed Moka's theory, saying to her what she told Ueno before: she can only get a sexual release if she aroused Ueno by her bullying.

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Chisaki goes on to explain to Moka that love and sexual desire are two separate things. Whether you like someone or hate someone doesn't play much of a factor. Chisaki asked Moka and Ueno if it hurts lying about a fetish that you're trying to hide and if they're any different by denying their nature. Moka again speaks up by saying that she can deny her nature and that she and Ueno are making progress. When Chisaki pressed her about it, Moka admitted that rejecting their programming (or nature) isn't the end as neither her nor Ueno resolved anything yet. However, Moka is confident that she and Ueno will make real changes together.


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(You're truly a ride or a die girl, Moka)

Chisaki then asked Moka if she's happy changing herself like that, which Moka replied " Of course!" Chisaki, in an emotionless state, tells Moka that she wants her to be happy as she can't make anyone happy anymore anyway. Chisaki decided to head back to her room, but Moka calls Chisaki out by saying that she won't accept what she said because Chisaki wasn't speaking from the heart. Moka pleaded to Chisaki to speak her mind more clearly as the future of their relationship depends on it. Moka asked Chisaki to have a proper fight (words, not fist-fight, otherwise Chisaki would be in trouble, lol). Chisaki angrily replied that if she fought with Moka, she's not going to win the fight before slamming the door behind her and wondering to herself what she is even doing.

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Moka and Ueno stood outside in silence before Ueno regained his confidence by telling Moka that he wants to speak with Chisaki. The chapter ends with Moka asking Ueno what is he going to say to Chisaki with Ueno saying that he wants to tell Chisaki what he is thinking more clearly.

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(The jokes and theories of Moka becoming a cuckqueen won't end after this chapter, lol :facepalm: )

It was nice to see Moka defending Ueno throughout the chapter, similar to how Ueno defended Moka's honor against Riku in chapter 52. The two chapters mostly mirror each other, right down to the emo talk Chisaki was spouting to Moka, lol.

I'm also glad to see that in the end of the chapter, Ueno will take upon himself to talk to Chisaki in a clear way to break each other's dependency. The 1:1 talk that I wanted to see in the first place. While Moka's talk with Chisaki was needed, it does come as a cost with Ueno having little agency in this chapter. I still wonder what Ueno will say to Chisaki in order for to her a way to get aroused beyond just bullying him. We'll see next chapter.
 
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Ugh is it sad I kind of want a throple now between them? Chisaki is a good friend and what we learn really not a bad person. I do think she her treating Ueno as less than a person is a major flaw because even if you get off bullying him, he's still a person with emotional needs that this sexual relationship isn't being met. Honestly if she played things out differently, I think her and him could have been a good s&m couple, but Ueno is 100% valid for wanting out of such an emotionally draining relationship.
 
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Interesting stuff! This chapter is making me more sympathetic to Chisaki's plight, but I still think she's got a long way to go before I can really like her, as far as the current situation goes? I don't think Ueno even needs to solve Chisaki's problems with getting aroused, if he's going as far as moving away from her and being honest with his feelings then that's all that is needed, but I get it, Ueno still wants to do right by her, I just hope he doesn't put his own relationship with Moka at risk.
Ugh is it sad I kind of want a throple now between them? Chisaki is a good friend and what we learn really not a bad person. I do think she her treating Ueno as less than a person is a major flaw because even if you get off bullying him, he's still a person with emotional needs that this sexual relationship isn't being met. Honestly if she played things out differently, I think her and him could have been a good s&m couple, but Ueno is 100% valid for wanting out of such an emotionally draining relationship.

I kind of agree with to an extent, in that, I think if Chisaki was kinder to Ueno then yea, their relationship could have worked, but ultimately she wasn't kind and I don't think it's right to put Moka through a throple when she and Ueno are trying so hard to break their programming, also, if Ueno maintains a sexual relationship with Chisaki then I feel like that sends the wrong message since Chisaki is getting what she wants.

I'm off the mind, the best thing for everyone involved is for Ueno to move on from them.
 
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I wasn't 100% serious about the throple, I just do kind of feel bad for Chisaki since it does seem like she is feeling it. I do think Moka has earned Ueno's loyalty, and he owes her his so him running back to Chisaki in any way beyond 100% approval from Moka would leave a bad taste, I just do want Chisaki to get a happy ending since I don't really see her as a villain in all this, just someone who is confused about what she wants.
 

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