Valhalla Otintin-kan - Vol. 3 Ch. 22 - The Most Superior Seeds

[Grikath]

Tarring over the entirety of a group for the actions of the few, that's twisted.

Seems to be fine when it's.. umm... the Patriarchy, Toxic Masculinity, TERF's, Parents who do not like their children exposed to Adult Matters in school, welll... Generally anything that isn't Approved Of by a tiny group of self-appointed Morality Minders with a highly narrow and specific view of the world.
They may have other flaws, like reading their own poetry in public or screaming like an untrained toddler throwing a tantrum in the mall.

It's , for reasons that completely elude me, perfectly fine for them to victimise, stereotype, exclude, harass, and publicly shame people that happen to not agree with them.
Calling them out on their bigotry is, of course, reason enough to incite all of the actions mentioned, because You Shall Not Speak Against Your "Moral Superiors".

But someone else has already expressed the whole principle in words much better than me :
https://jeffgoldstein.substack.com/p/a-re-declaration-of-independence

 

[Sahkuh]

Seems to be fine when it's.. umm... the Patriarchy, Toxic Masculinity, TERF's, Parents who do not like their children exposed to Adult Matters in school, welll... Generally anything that isn't Approved Of by a tiny group of self-appointed Morality Minders with a highly narrow and specific view of the world.
They may have other flaws, like reading their own poetry in public or screaming like an untrained toddler throwing a tantrum in the mall.

It's , for reasons that completely elude me, perfectly fine for them to victimise, stereotype, exclude, harass, and publicly shame people that happen to not agree with them.
Calling them out on their bigotry is, of course, reason enough to incite all of the actions mentioned, because You Shall Not Speak Against Your "Moral Superiors".

But someone else has already expressed the whole principle in words much better than me :
https://jeffgoldstein.substack.com/p/a-re-declaration-of-independence

You say that and then post something like that link. Stop projecting.

Quotes

"I will not “respect your pronouns” or “celebrate” your “queerness.” I am hostile to your sexualizing of children."

“Queer theory” is “critical race theory” is “critical consciousness” is the Marxist rejection of the individual as individual. Cultural Marxism is determined to raze norms, sow chaos, tear families asunder, and reduce being to collective conformity. I reject its premises as fully as I reject its adherents. I will not comply."

This seems like this is going beyond not agreeing with them.

 

[Grikath]

This seems like this is going beyond not agreeing with them.

Yes... This is that quaint old habit of "drawing the line". Older people do that as a polite warning for those hard of hearing and light on common sense, before opening the can of whupass.
Next stage is the "Get Off My Lawn..." thing. Maybe you've heard of it.

Anyone is completely free to ignore it, of course. Free World and all that...
Just don't complain about Interesting Times when things inevitably go sour..

 

[Sahkuh]

Yes... This is that quaint old habit of "drawing the line". Older people do that as a polite warning for those hard of hearing and light on common sense, before opening the can of whupass.
Next stage is the "Get Off My Lawn..." thing. Maybe you've heard of it.

Anyone is completely free to ignore it, of course. Free World and all that...
Just don't complain about Interesting Times when things inevitably go sour..

Don't presume that whatever you're representing is common sense doe. Didn't realize the "free world" was your lawn. But grats on relying on threats.

 

[eddkim]

some days i really hate the internet, and this thread is making it one of those days

 

[MothproofAcorn]

i dont know who kiwi farms are but if they do indeed do what you say they do then i condemn them in the strongest possible way. but how is this not comparable to burning down churches? some of those churches had people inside


thats not the 'war on Christmas' thats just cringe.
the war on Christmas is when
carolers go from hourse to house to sing: sued
a citizens is putting up a religious display in front of his property: sued
a town mayor and council want to join the town in celebrations so they put up a display: sued
despite it being there for decades its Christmas and somone spotted a soldiers grave being marked with a cross: sued
in otherwords: targeted harassment. but of course you dont care about that kind of targeted harassment since Christians are the majority so 'waaaahhhh' as youd say


the reason i brought up Richard Dawkins is because his entire career is 'oh well I just mean people shouldn’t be Christians.' and your original argument is is someone says that after Christians are targeted with violence and harassment they they are actually calling for their death. i do not think Richard Dawkins is calling for Christians to be killed i just think hes a prick
it doesnt matter that you disagree with how i view on the situation around Christians since i also disagree with your view on the situation around [censored by mods]s. ultimately the point of my argument is 'if i view the treatment of Christians the same way your viewing the treatment of [censored by mods]s shouldnt i see Richard Dawkins as calling for genocide?'


if you show forum posts or video of some vile gnat of a human demanding anyone [censored by mods] or not commit suicide then the VAST majority will call for condemnation. my point isnt that people wont condemn them my point is the lack of coverage, everytime a gay bar is burned the perpetrator becomes a famous terrorist covered head to toe by news for days or weeks on end. meanwhile christian churches are burned and the news outlets people like you would read dont cover it at all or deflect the news to bring focus away from the perpetrators.
perhaps you can recognize the problem if i word it like this:

you dont see any problems with that?


thats a fair opinion to have, but thinking they dont want to help is a far cry from trying to commit genocide.


the 'war on drugs' is commonly seen as a failure that did not effect amounts of drug usage. if you share that view you can call those who supported the policy inept or misguided but saying they want to genocide drug users is a stretch to say the least.
if the statistics that show this legislation to cause more violence are real then people might take issue with how these stats were found, the perceived bias of the statisticians, or think its made up. you can reply to such assertions as them being stupid, stubborn, inept, etc. but once you try to claim that they are supporting genocide and violence you are being absurdist

Just to be clear when I say ”you” I mean the collective you of the conservative talking heads that make their living off of spreading anti trans propoganda not you specifically. I think it’s great that you personally condemn the actions of sites like kiwi farms but you aren’t massive public figure at the forefront of the conservative side of the trans debate. These people like Matt Walsh never come out and condemn violence against trans people even though they know that doing so would at least have some effect in mitigating the violence they cause.

With regards to media coverage I just genuinely don’t know. I don’t really watch either type of main stream news (left or right) but because I live in a very conservative area I get served up TONS of stuff about every little thing that happens to christian communities. So at least for me it feels more like there’s a bias towards conservative news but I’m very aware that it’s probably more just that because most people around me are conservative obviously the most talked about stories are going to be ones featured on conservative news channels.

About the war on Christmas. To be fair if what you’re saying is true (within context obviously) about the war on christmas then I have not heard about that but I’d agree that that’s fucked up. What I remember about that was Dennis prager complaining about how people say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas and that Starbucks changed their cups. Which to me seemed like the lamest thing ever to get riled up about. Having said that though, even if everything you said is true it’s just not equivalent because of how powerful Christianity is in America. It’d be like harassment between a house cat and an elephant. If a house cat harasses an elephant sure it might be annoying and suck but the elephant could absolutely destroy the cat at any time. Whereas if an elephant harasses a house cat there’s nothing it can do. Plus people get sued for quite literally everything in America and Christian groups have the best legal teams in the world that constantly defend cases like this.

With regards to Richard Dawkins, to me it’s the context that matters. If Christians were a tiny fraction of the population and atheists were the vast majority. If christians were being beaten the shit out of left and right and often brutally killed simply for being Christian. Then you’ve got Richard Dawkins constantly calling for christianity to be removed from society KNOWING that every time he makes a speech or statement like that more christians get assaulted and killed as a direct result I would say that it’s clear he does want them to be hurt and killed just for existing.

Lastly with the war on drugs example the thing is, from what we know now, lawmakers were not just inept or misinformed they knew exactly what they were doing. The CIA sold cocaine to inner city black communities while lawmakers cracked down on people who used the drugs THE GOVERNMENT sold them and threw them in jail, killed them, destroyed their communities, etc. To say that making laws that put people in jail for the thing you’re feeding them isn’t a specific attempt to destroy them is what’s really absurdist.

 

[Mr_Detective]

Goddamn what the hell is this, the new politics thread?

Some people just love to spread negativity to the world. And desperate to announce to everyone what they think. Attention whoring much? Same people who cry about the me-me generation. Yeah, you are part of it.
It's a shame that there are translators who use their knowledge of Japanese to broadcast hate in the manga they translate. Sometimes, in situation like this, it's great to have two different translators working on the same manga. If one is a nutcase, then the other one can provide a more proper translation. I have my own complains about the alphabet group in question, but using manga that I didn't even write to bitch about them is so bizarre to me. And I wonder if the "translator" actually understand Japanese or just use some sort of machine.
By the way, is somebody... hiding in the closet? Is this your way of convincing yourself of something?

It's instances like this that show western hypocrisy. Westerners, especially Americans, love to bitch and moan about other countries, Japan and South Korea for example, about their racism, gender, and social problems. Which countries don't have the same problems? In some places, things are even worse because you have a higher chance of getting shot by some crazy dude. But the armchair experts pretend they already have everything figured out. They act as if they've solved the issues, and lecture other people on what to do. Bitch, shut the hell up. Reflect on yourself before you lecture other countries on anything. Your ego is off the roof and your superior complex is blinding you. The Scandinavian countries might be more progressive, but the US and other countries still got a long ways to go.

 

[readingsit]

"I think it’s great that you personally condemn the actions of sites like kiwi farms but you aren’t massive public figure at the forefront of the conservative side of the trans debate."

but heres thing thing i, and by extension they, dont hold any connection to 'kiwi farms' why would they be expected to make a statement on them? many prominent figures on the left hold no connection to 'trans resistance network'(thats their name plz no ban) who are backing the recent shooter against her victims should i demand that all leftist talking heads that make their living off of spreading anti-christian propaganda condemn 'trans resistance network'(once again their name plz no ban) or else ican reasonably say they are supporting genocide and violence against christians?
demanding somone condemn somthing normally is for when somone holds some kind of direct connection to the perpetrator of a vile act, otherwise its just expected that they refer to the act as vile in one way or another when it comes up. if you have a daily wire employee or Walsh family member name who personally murdered a [censored by mods] person then let me know

"If Christians were a tiny fraction of the population and atheists were the vast majority. If christians were being beaten the shit out of left and right and often brutally killed simply for being Christian. Then you’ve got Richard Dawkins constantly calling for christianity to be removed from society KNOWING that every time he makes a speech or statement like that more christians get assaulted and killed as a direct result I would say that it’s clear he does want them to be hurt and killed just for existing."

first of all the 'knowing' part is mind-reading. can you pull up a quote of matt saying 'yeah i know my speech or statement results in [censored by mods]s getting assaulted and killed as a direct result what i say'? youd probably have an easier time finding somone accuse him of doing that and him rejecting the premise
david pakman and cenk uygur both responded to the recent mass shooting far worse then matt has ever to any gay bar attack 'i guess they didnt pray hard enough' and even after those outright horrific takes i still dont think they know or think their statements are getting christians assaulted and killed as a direct result of their words. i think their just callous assholes
and next i fail to see how size matters, when soviet russia became a thing a vast majority of russia didnt speak russian and were unlikely to know what a 'russia' was, didnt stop communist forces from marching on them and demanding they conform or die. throughout history evils arent normally brought to bear by randoms working in conjunction its normally under the command of a minority, such as nobility or dictators
if somone wants to do somthing evil then the number of people they will do it too doesnt matter since every person is ultimately an individual and there is no smaller minority then 1

'It’d be like harassment between a house cat and an elephant'

how about instead we make it tapeworm and elephant? brain-eating bacteria and human? once again size doesnt matter if your trying to hurt or kill. and considering the amount of success such suits have been having in courts for most of my life this house cat is excessively strong and the elephant is excessively weak

'If Christians were a tiny fraction of the population and atheists were the vast majority'

addressed above, mass-murderers are a minority and their victims are the majority doesnt change they we both agree that the minority is in the wrong in that case

"Lastly with the war on drugs example the thing is, from what we know now, lawmakers were not just inept or misinformed they knew exactly what they were doing"

regardless of the facts of the case if thats how you see it then i gave a bad example, how about the 'war on poverty'? also widely seen as a failure was it an attempt to commit violence upon and genocide the poor?

EDIT: forgot mod demanded censorship

 

[RexNemorensis]

Something evil's watching over you
Coming from the MD staff
And there's nothing you can do

 

[Tomoshibi]

And I wonder if the "translator" actually understand Japanese or just use some sort of machine.
By the way, is somebody... hiding in the closet? Is this your way of convincing yourself of something?

yeah, more or less i can understand japanese n english but as you can see my english n grammar is sucks, even if i know what it means in japanese i can't properly TL it to english since both of them is not my mother language and i've never study it properly(just for fun), so most of the times i TL it to Indonesian first then to english.,

don't really understand about 'convincing yourself of something' part but even i didn't expect that the thread would evolve from me mocking twitter trans for bullying streamer for playing mere video game to something this high degree that i can't keep up and understand what's going on anymore.,

 

[art17]

wow, now that I see that the mods are nazis, it was good when there were no comments.

 

[CyanHide]

Do you guys think that Shota can preserve the Redfield bloodline?

 

[deadrabbits]

ffs, is this retarded esl still doing the meme tl and inserting retarded sea jokes that nobody finds funny?

 

[Tomoshibi]

ffs, is this retarded esl still doing the meme tl and inserting retarded sea jokes that nobody finds funny?

yes

 

[Ricardo_Rick]

Is there any place i can find a translation that isn't jsut a bunch of memes clumped together?

 

[deathstroke50]

I'm not usually a fan of meme/gag translations, but damn if this isn't some top tier stuff. I think I'd have gotten tired of the series after a few chapters if it wasn't for the constant absurdity that matches the absurd story. It lightens the mood and keeps the reading both fresh and cringe. This will always be the One True Translation for me.

 

[Dwander1219]

Is there any place i can find a translation that isn't jsut a bunch of memes clumped together?

Yeah it's called learning Japanese, filthy gaijin

 

[Ricardo_Rick]

Yeah it's called learning Japanese, filthy gaijin

the whole point of a translation is not being in the original language anymore tho, i just wish for an actual translation instead of a bunch of memes clumped together, no need to offend me over it

 

[Dwander1219]

the whole point of a translation is not being in the original language anymore tho, i just wish for an actual translation instead of a bunch of memes clumped together, no need to offend me over it

I'm just shitposting. Don't take me seriously lol

 

[Ricardo_Rick]

I'm just shitposting. Don't take me seriously lol

well, ok then, still, i wonder if this series will ever have a proper non meme translation