Yami Kakusei Shite Shujinkou ni Bokosareru Kamaseinu ni Hyoui Shita ga Gensaku to Chigaisugite Tomadotteru - Ch. 8 - The Master's Change

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They are? It's an extremely common trope as well. I do prefer it over isekai just because it has less problems like this as well as isekai tends to make it feel more game-y.
Nah the reincarnation stories always have pdf allegations behind them from idiots on the internet so I enjoy a straight up transported or transmigrated isekai where they are at least somewhere already close to adult age so there's less drama
 
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this chapter is so wholesome it gives me a strong feeling of impending doom for ceres. im sure its fine but that felt like a giant flag has been raised
 
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At this point we're just debating theology and the existence of a soul rather than if the story is well written or not. Some may disagree.

As I'm no priest I won't weigh in on a side however the point I'm trying to make regardless of dogma, is that isekai authors almost always handle these topics clumsily.

I'll preemptively answer Ship of Theseus-style rebuttals; I suggest that a person's consciousness is nothing more than a collection of memories and experiences. Just as debilitating diseases like dementia or amnesia rob us of our loved ones before they pass on, so do isekai bodyjackers. It's akin to body horror being framed in a positive light.
Ship of Theseus is the change happen gradually then at some point of time the previous ship was entirely replaced, this here is MC's soul literally replaced the original's soul right away.
 
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This is essentially an adaptation of chapter 5 in the novel. I'm surprised it was included here but the purpose of the original was mostly to flesh out Ceres and give some explanation of how Zenon was perceived by others. It does funnily enough skip over showing that Ceres didn't act this way with the previous Zenon. Ceres only started acting this way the day new Zenon arrived because she snapped from having a bad day and new Zenon just kind of accepted it. This is Ceres' true self though so Rei is right that she has opened her heart to the MC.
 
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This is essentially an adaptation of chapter 5 in the novel. I'm surprised it was included here but the purpose of the original was mostly to flesh out Ceres and give some explanation of how Zenon was perceived by others. It does funnily enough skip over showing that Ceres didn't act this way with the previous Zenon. Ceres only started acting this way the day new Zenon arrived because she snapped from having a bad day and new Zenon just kind of accepted it. This is Ceres' true self though so Rei is right that she has opened her heart to the MC.
Can you link the novel please?
 
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Chiming in on the change stuff, the best ones are when the original was twisted due to absence and the newcomer is merging with the original personality over time and it becomes a third new personality(but it’s softer cause the original got influenced or even corrected/saved by the new soul)

There’s also the ones where the 2 souls are in conflict or the original regains control with all the knowledge
 
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At this point we're just debating theology and the existence of a soul rather than if the story is well written or not. Some may disagree.

As I'm no priest I won't weigh in on a side however the point I'm trying to make regardless of dogma, is that isekai authors almost always handle these topics clumsily.

I'll preemptively answer Ship of Theseus-style rebuttals; I suggest that a person's consciousness is nothing more than a collection of memories and experiences. Just as debilitating diseases like dementia or amnesia rob us of our loved ones before they pass on, so do isekai bodyjackers. It's akin to body horror being framed in a positive light.
This is an impressive analysis.
 
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A lot of times it's not even like it's brainwashing. It's like the old soul was plucked out of the body and a new, "better" one was jammed in. There's usually nary a trace of the original person left but we're supposed to be fine with it because the previous personality was an asshole while the new one wants to be better or decent (or at least is willing to be decent out of the self-interest of not dying)

Brainwashing usually implies that the original person is still there, just forcibly changed. This is like the original person simply ceases to exist as the price for our protagonist soul getting to live that life.
One amusingly vicious exception would be Amy from 'villager A',
the background & plot of the game heavily hinted the 'heroine' and her capture targets were just as nasty as her eventual replacement.
 
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I do love this conversation on the consequences of isekai soul swapping. However, I’d like to point out that while it could be considered lazy, at this point isekai is a trope that the author just sort assumes you understand and ignores, unless they intentionally want to explore that topic.

It’s like an author explaining how a fantasy world came to be, sometimes they snap their fingers, other times it’s a strange future. I prefer stories where the memories merge though, as that seems to be the most interesting scenario.

This author isn’t even that lazy; they plant the seeds for how other people understand the change with “because you never know what might happen in life from a trivial change”. If we think about it, a person rarely is around another constantly and it’s unlikely they’d notice every possible influence on someone else. Parents are around their kids constantly and don’t always recognize how their kids change.

Quick tangent: My Possession Became a Ghost Story is a manhwa that explores the Otome Isekai (novel reincarnation type stuff) side of things. It’s kinda light on commentary though and focuses on the horror and comedic elements. Maybe check it out if you find the idea interesting.

Lastly, I’ll give my two cents on soul philosophy. If they isekai into some sort of media they interacted with on earth, that opens a huge can of worms. Do all authors functionally play god and actually create alternate realities? Was this world frozen in time waiting for external input? Is isekai essentially wresting an entire reality out of the matrix? Was there a soul in there in the first place, or a script?

Focusing on the soul shenanigans, I think authors typically go with soul swapping. The new one takes the place of the old, and the og gets yeeted into the void. I’d call that a new person. Biologically, our memories are hard coded into our brains, so their brain chemistry was sort of rewired overnight. I don’t even know if it makes sense for them to inherit mannerisms or habits because of how drastic the change is.
 
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Peak Isekai slop🥲
yes. it's peak because of ceres

How would Ceres feel if she knew Zenon is an entirely different person, that he didn't change, but someone else is in his place now.
hmm. A good question

would be interesting if there were a scene for that later. MC telling her, or anyone else he's particularly close with, that he's not the same guy.
This never happens in this genre tho.
 
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