Zutto Suki Datta Anata ga…. - Oneshot

[IceAlchemist0]

For him losing Original purpose,
I will add something to your version of "original purpose" :
"to improve himself to be worthy of the woman he’s in love with" so they can be together in the end.

And it that case, it really depends if two years post initial confession (so they night she cheated on him), they are together or not.
If they are, please excuse me, I was wrong about that.
If they are not for, I will say it again, MC lost his initial purpose. Even by accepting his explanation the night just after the date, you would tell me in 18 months and everything he had to achieve to get a award while being on TV, that he still didn't "achieved result that he could be proud of using his own abilities" according his own word, then I say it's bullshit, our protagonist learn the joy of progress and prioritized that over the initial goal. I would like to add he could have still continued with his self-improvement at work while going out with her.

For the lack of self-esteem, It not about his quest for self improvement, not at all.
I'm sorry if I made it sound that way, it's for 3 others reasons, 2 hypothetical or based on my assumptions, and the last far more justified :

- 1 = his explanation after there first date that his success is because of others and coincidence sounded far too much like someone with imposter syndrome.
But maybe that just me.

- 2 = 2 years post initial confession, the night he got his award, I had the assumption they still aren't together, so like I said earlier, if after everything he did in his job to get a award on Live TV, he still feels he is still not enough to officially asked her out, then Yep there really is a problem with self-esteem.
But maybe my assumption is wrong and they were already together.

- 3 (the true reason) : his response for after he found them that night. Even if it were a coping mechanism, he justified what she did (whether they were going out or not at that time) by "it's not her fault, I'm the one in the wrong, it's because I'm still not enough." He never held her responsable when he obviously should, and still tried to run after her for years after that night until he became editor-in-chief and still try afterwards. If you tell me he don't have serious self-esteem problems that he would excuse someone to trample his heart (if not blatantly cheated on him) and make it his own fault, please explain. It's not a rethorical question, please explain it to me, I don't understand.


And once again, with my previous comment if I made it sound like that his self-improvement make at fault for getting destroyed like that, it wasn't what I meant, and for that I will add another thing :
I think that even in an alternate version where they would officially get together after their date 6 months after his confession, she would still end up cheating on him.
Simple reasoning, even in the case they would have got together, she is the one who taught him that he had bring result in his job to be worthy of her so he would have still strived to be better.
Like we saw in the story, he is good, so he would have gone on on being better than and outclassed her and his colleague so they would still ended feeling inferior to him.
The two sharing the same feeling would still seeing eachother to shared their struggles, instead of working on it.
And as MC go higher and higher than them. Which would have brought them to the same state that night.

So finally I will say who I BLAME in order :

- Yuzuki is most to blame by a land slide, she is the one who made Haruki go to that route, start pouting when he started becoming better than him a got a problem with it, and then destroyed him because she couldn't accept it.

For the two others it depends of several assumptions =
A : MC asked her out between their first date and that sad night and they were together since then.
B : Haruki and Yuzuki weren't just colleagues who had started at the same time but friends

If A and B are false, I can say nothing to Yuzuki, he like the woman, 2 years earlier he helped his colleague to be with her yet he has done nothing since then. Game is game.
If either A or B is true, he is a bastard, for either sleeping with his friend's dream girl, or the girlfriend of someone he knew.
And if Both assumptions are true, he is a fucking monster.

For Haruki, our protagonist, even if nothing he has done make him deserved that, if A is not true, I will complain "why did he play with his food when it was ready to be eaten."
And I would still say that his lack of self-esteem is a fault when after everything she has done to him, he still doesn't understand that she doesn't deserve him.

Thanks you very much if you read my response until here.

Have a great day/evening/night.

If this is your explanation, then you are entirely wrong. Let's break this down using your logic. Even if he proved himself and decided to start a relationship with her, it wouldn’t change the fact that she was jealous of his success. The night he received the award, she was in the conference room with his rival, upset over his achievement and his rise in status. Her jealousy was clear. So, even if they had entered a relationship, that jealousy would persist, making the relationship toxic. Why? Because she didn’t support his success.

If she was stagnant while he was climbing the ranks, it means her insecurities were unresolved. Instead of confronting her internal struggles, she chose to hurt him by relying on his rival and even sleeping with him, all to make the main character feel pain because she was hurting herself. You cannot blame the main character for improving himself when the woman he loved was jealous of his success. Criticizing him for that makes no sense.

If he said, “I want to prove myself to you. I want to achieve this with my own hands,” it was true. The chapter explicitly shows him seeking help from his rival, learning from him, and applying that knowledge to achieve success and gain recognition. His success was built on effort, collaboration, and growth—there’s no fault in that. Wanting to prove himself with his own hands is perfectly valid.

The real issue lies with her. She wanted to be with him not because she supported him, but because his success made her feel inadequate. She thought being with him could stop his growth while she remained stagnant. She wasn’t improving, wasn’t going anywhere, and couldn’t keep up with him as he surpassed her. She was initially his senpai and taught him the ropes, but now, he has far exceeded her, progressing in ways she can’t match.

Trying to argue that he could have done all this while being with her doesn’t change the core issue: she was jealous of his success, and that jealousy would always poison the relationship.


Your explanation continues to unfairly blame Haruki for his success, disregarding Tsukino's actions. If she truly cared for him, she wouldn't have had sex with his rival while he watched. Even though they weren't in a relationship, her actions were morally wrong and intended to hurt him out of spite and jealousy. She sought solace in his rival not out of affection but to alleviate her own pain, disregarding the harm it caused Haruki. Both she and the rival were envious of Haruki's achievements, leading them to conspire against him. Therefore, if you're assigning blame to the rival, she bears equal, if not greater, responsibility for her reprehensible actions.b

 

[maylsmallow]

 

[maylsmallow]

LMAO wtf is this shit HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
While reading at the end, it seems to me like, "Oh, you feeling inferior to him? But you going to him? Let's fuck then." Anyway, I feel this is the author's wet dream or something.
Never cook again author-san


Also, bro needs to move on and find someone MORE BETTER than chasing someone who's jealous or can't support him at his peak of success.

 

[WJ_PK]

Wow all three of these people have super problems and two of these people have super duper problems

 

[jmgaling0924]

Everywhere i go,i see this genre

 

[Belveda01]

Its not NTR but its hurt badly more than NTR cause she betray his promise, Man i hope mc just got promoted higher than her and kick her ass out and being toxic boss to his friend

 

[alexthestupidn]

MC is a self-centered prick who doesn't even care or check on the person he "supposedly love" one-sidedly, like yeah, your love interest is an object of desire, an object of worship and not a real person with feelings and struggle, i have no pity, honestly, never even bothered to fucking check on her. Meanwhile the girl is an insecure fucking loser, not wanting to be one upped so she settle for the person on her strike range. The shitty forehead honestly just fell in love with the girl, 6 months of putting up with a bitch like that is commendable, probably fucking bolted once he get that nut out and realize what a train wreck the girl is, hence you don't see him near her.

Honestly MC dodged a bullet, cause she will be a fucking pain in the ass to deal with, someone who will pick a fight at every turn and hurl vitriol and hurtful words to make her inadequacy just a bit more tolerable to herself. Pain and traumas remain but it will heal, the girl has a self awareness that she's a bad person, but zero desire to be a better person. Truly the villain of the story.

 

[IceAlchemist0]

MC is a self-centered prick who doesn't even care or check on the person he "supposedly love" one-sidedly, like yeah, your love interest is an object of desire, an object of worship and not a real person with feelings and struggle, i have no pity, honestly, never even bothered to fucking check on her. Meanwhile the girl is an insecure fucking loser, not wanting to be one upped so she settle for the person on her strike range. The shitty forehead honestly just fell in love with the girl, 6 months of putting up with a bitch like that is commendable, probably fucking bolted once he get that nut out and realize what a train wreck the girl is, hence you don't see him near her.

Honestly MC dodged a bullet, cause she will be a fucking pain in the ass to deal with, someone who will pick a fight at every turn and hurl vitriol and hurtful words to make her inadequacy just a bit more tolerable to herself. Pain and traumas remain but it will heal, the girl has a self awareness that she's a bad person, but zero desire to be a better person. Truly the villain of the story.

This is a dumb take. How is the MC self-centered when, after confessing his feelings to the woman he was in love with, Tsukino, she told him she wouldn’t be in a relationship with him because it would interfere with his job? She then pointed out that in the four years he’d been at his job, he hadn’t progressed, while his rival, whom she trained, was being called the next ace. She chose to highlight his rival’s accomplishment and throw it in his face, making it clear that he wasn’t good enough. It was after hearing that that he asked her, “If I were to improve myself, would you consider us being in a relationship?” She replied, “I don’t know about being in a relationship, but we can talk about some things.” He saw that as confirmation to try harder.

The very next day, he approached his rival, explained his reasons, and asked for his help. Though his rival was hesitant at first, he eventually agreed. Six months later, the MC was making real progress, stepping up in his job and gaining recognition. When Tsukino saw this, she tried to ask him out, saying, “Oh, we can be in a relationship now.” But he asked her, “Could you wait?” He felt like he hadn’t done anything to progress with his own hands. Everything he had accomplished so far was because he needed help, and he wanted to prove his worthiness with his own hands before committing to a relationship.

Meanwhile, Tsukino turned to his rival, who was also jealous of the MC’s success. They began to bond over their shared envy of the MC’s achievements. The night the MC caught them sleeping together, it was after they had bonded over their mutual jealousy of him receiving an award for his success.

That is not self-centered. It’s the exact opposite. It’s not his fault she became stagnant in her job, got jealous of his success, and didn’t communicate her problems to him—instead, she turned to his rival. This is genuinely one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read.

Because not once do you ask, well, why didn’t she tell him that he was good enough? Why didn’t she at any point in time say, “Hey, I’m proud of you for succeeding at your job”? Why didn’t she tell him what she was going through? Why didn’t she ever say that he was worthy of her? If she truly loved him, she wouldn’t be jealous of him. She would celebrate his success. She wouldn’t envy anything he was trying to accomplish, especially since he was doing it for her.

What’s crazy is Tsukino acknowledges that she’s a bad person because she knew everything he was trying to accomplish was for her, and she was still jealous of his success. She was so jealous that she chose to sleep with his rival. And when she noticed that he was standing in the doorway, she kept going. She kept going because she wanted him to hurt, because she was hurting.

If anybody is self-centered, it’s her, because that type of behavior is destructive, and she didn’t give a flying fuck about him when she did it. So to say that he is self-centered is completely wrong. You completely missed the mark on this.

 

[Illiu]

As the legend said, "A shoulder to cry on, become a dick to ride on."
The author really didn't put any brake as just what he did on Aitsu no Kanojo.
Perhaps, this is what he wanted to do all this time, lol.

 

[erintesden]

This is a dumb take. How is the MC self-centered when, after confessing his feelings to the woman he was in love with, Tsukino, she told him she wouldn’t be in a relationship with him because it would interfere with his job? She then pointed out that in the four years he’d been at his job, he hadn’t progressed, while his rival, whom she trained, was being called the next ace. She chose to highlight his rival’s accomplishment and throw it in his face, making it clear that he wasn’t good enough. It was after hearing that that he asked her, “If I were to improve myself, would you consider us being in a relationship?” She replied, “I don’t know about being in a relationship, but we can talk about some things.” He saw that as confirmation to try harder.

The very next day, he approached his rival, explained his reasons, and asked for his help. Though his rival was hesitant at first, he eventually agreed. Six months later, the MC was making real progress, stepping up in his job and gaining recognition. When Tsukino saw this, she tried to ask him out, saying, “Oh, we can be in a relationship now.” But he asked her, “Could you wait?” He felt like he hadn’t done anything to progress with his own hands. Everything he had accomplished so far was because he needed help, and he wanted to prove his worthiness with his own hands before committing to a relationship.

Meanwhile, Tsukino turned to his rival, who was also jealous of the MC’s success. They began to bond over their shared envy of the MC’s achievements. The night the MC caught them sleeping together, it was after they had bonded over their mutual jealousy of him receiving an award for his success.

That is not self-centered. It’s the exact opposite. It’s not his fault she became stagnant in her job, got jealous of his success, and didn’t communicate her problems to him—instead, she turned to his rival. This is genuinely one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read.

Because not once do you ask, well, why didn’t she tell him that he was good enough? Why didn’t she at any point in time say, “Hey, I’m proud of you for succeeding at your job”? Why didn’t she tell him what she was going through? Why didn’t she ever say that he was worthy of her? If she truly loved him, she wouldn’t be jealous of him. She would celebrate his success. She wouldn’t envy anything he was trying to accomplish, especially since he was doing it for her.

What’s crazy is Tsukino acknowledges that she’s a bad person because she knew everything he was trying to accomplish was for her, and she was still jealous of his success. She was so jealous that she chose to sleep with his rival. And when she noticed that he was standing in the doorway, she kept going. She kept going because she wanted him to hurt, because she was hurting.

If anybody is self-centered, it’s her, because that type of behavior is destructive, and she didn’t give a flying fuck about him when she did it. So to say that he is self-centered is completely wrong. You completely missed the mark on this.

you kinda missed the point, even though kinda mentioned it.
To put it simply... no one is innocent here, everyone is a mess.
MC isn't innocent here... just the less worse one.
His blame lies on putting the girl on a pedestal. He stopped seeing her as a person but a goal instead, and idealized her to the extreme. Causing him to reject her initial attempt to start a relationship, and we know how much rejection hurts a woman. Add to that he was so focused to be worthy of her, he actually started to neglect her emotionally for focused on work instead.
She was very shitty, letting jealousness distance them, but its not surprising she ended up relating to the rival guy was left in the dust by MC. Both felt like they were unworthy as lover/rival.

 

[awtystic]

Actually punched the wall after reading this shit now I'm bleeding lol

 

[IceAlchemist0]

you kinda missed the point, even though kinda mentioned it.
To put it simply... no one is innocent here, everyone is a mess.
MC isn't innocent here... just the less worse one.
His blame lies on putting the girl on a pedestal. He stopped seeing her as a person but a goal instead, and idealized her to the extreme. Causing him to reject her initial attempt to start a relationship, and we know how much rejection hurts a woman. Add to that he was so focused to be worthy of her, he actually started to neglect her emotionally for focused on work instead.
She was very shitty, letting jealousness distance them, but its not surprising she ended up relating to the rival guy was left in the dust by MC. Both felt like they were unworthy as lover/rival.

Okay, so let’s go with your logic. Let’s say he started paying attention to her after becoming successful at his job. When she asked him out, let’s assume he immediately started a relationship with her instead of putting it off to improve himself. It wouldn’t have changed the fact that she was jealous of his success. It wouldn’t have changed the fact that she was stagnant in her job. It wouldn’t have changed the fact that his rival was also jealous of his success. Even if he had entered a relationship with her, her insecurities would have caused problems. She would have found reasons to create conflict, and they probably would have broken up because she couldn’t get over the fact that he was successful while she wasn’t.

So to say that he neglected her when all he wanted to do was prove himself to her is wrong. This could have been avoided if she had told him he was already worthy. She set the conditions, and he challenged himself to meet those expectations because he wanted to be with her.

No, I’m not far off the mark at all—I’m on point. You’re the ones trying to make the MC seem like he neglected her when his goal was always her. So what if he put her on a pedestal? If she had communicated that she felt neglected, depressed, or jealous, do you think he—given how much he loved her—would have ignored her? No. He just felt like he hadn’t accomplished enough on his own and gave credit to those who helped him, including his rival.

He never neglected her or her feelings. He wanted to prove to her that he could succeed on his own. In the end, his goal was always her. That’s not missing the mark—it’s completely accurate. You’re failing to see that even if they had been in a relationship, her self-hatred and insecurities would have sabotaged it.

Instead of celebrating his success with him, she became jealous. She was jealous of him even before she asked him out. So it doesn’t make sense to say he neglected her. No, she’s the one who started this downward spiral. Everything he did was for her, and she still chose jealousy over understanding.

 

[vannn]

Problem with these stories, at least for me is that they never feel finished. I feel like I’ve been left in a weird limbo where the story is over but it feels like there’s so much left unsaid. Not that everything needs to end cleanly, but it feels like there’s whole thing was just to deliver an ntr scene rather than to tell a story. Add to that it’s not really my kink and I can’t enjoy it on any level.

Prayers up for my man, hopefully he snaps out of his oneitis and finds his Yako, lol.

 

[handtied]

Hmm the art is better than most ntr hentai manga. Also, isn't this more suited to bss genre?

 

[Insignis]

This was kinda a "what if 3 people were mentally retarded and/or pure assholes" the story.

MC falls in love with the girl. The girl loves him, but sees how he barely progressed at all in work and maybe feared that if they dated he would even get worse - why she didn't think about dating him and pushing him while dating to strive for better? No clue. This situation created a goal in the dudes mind, he has some mental issues, cause on every step where he proven himself to be better than before - he at the same time ignored this and felt still inferior - like he didn't reach his goal.

He basically started pushing the girl he loves to the side so he could prove himself better. The girl started to have issues with all of this, cause his words, the way he gone about his "crusade" was basically stabbing her in the back, like her 7 years of efforts he done in half a year and told her its just "a coincidence". She started looking for a help, how to deal with his broken "quest" and her now feeling inferior to him, and him still working to even be better while still pushing her away and telling her he is not good enough.

They both basically brain fucked each other. She developed inferiority complexes towards him, he became a "better himself machine". His rival that helped him start this whole "quest" was also left in the dust, and the girl looked for help from him - how to deal with the MC. Their inferiority/jealousy maybe pushed them into kinda a relationship of two broken people.

Rival started probably hating MC and wanted to steal the girl MC loves to maybe fuck with his "quest". She felt so inferior, that when MC won another award and she was supposed to meet with him, she was scared shit-less of what to do/how to behave around MC. This pushed the rival dude to go after her, she let him "attack" her, and when she saw MC in the door - she was initially shocked, but then the pleasure came, the broken face of MC came too - she maybe too thought that this whole fiasco could break MC out of his "quest" or something. But instead they mentally broke MC beyond repair.

Now MC is "forever need to improve myself" idiot. We don't know if the rival and girl are still in relationship - but it doesn't matter - cause even if they are, MC will just see that as a proof he didn't get good enough still. We don't really see rival face at the end, and her face can tell us that either she still feels inferior to MC, or she realized how this whole shit broke MC and that she is like half at fault for it.

Either way this was more like a sad story of broken people. As far as it feels a bit "retarded" if you will, its still far better than typical NTR porn mangas where a girl gets blackmailed into a sex orgies cause of a photo of her and her loved one kissing. Aka this at least makes a bit of sense and I can believe people to behave like this.

I kinda wish there was a twin story - with a different ending. Where their sex-escapade succeeded and broke MC out if his "bettering himself quest". He drops out of the work, becomes a hikikomori shut-in or something. This could brake the girl too - at least to push the rival away, maybe some kinda scandal, or something. Would be more interesting and could have a potential for few more chapters - cause as is - the story is kinda done for, there is no use in remaking it in more serialized chapters.

 

[dkuro]

If this is your explanation, then you are entirely wrong. Let's break this down using your logic. Even if he proved himself and decided to start a relationship with her, it wouldn’t change the fact that she was jealous of his success. The night he received the award, she was in the conference room with his rival, upset over his achievement and his rise in status. Her jealousy was clear. So, even if they had entered a relationship, that jealousy would persist, making the relationship toxic. Why? Because she didn’t support his success.

If she was stagnant while he was climbing the ranks, it means her insecurities were unresolved. Instead of confronting her internal struggles, she chose to hurt him by relying on his rival and even sleeping with him, all to make the main character feel pain because she was hurting herself. You cannot blame the main character for improving himself when the woman he loved was jealous of his success. Criticizing him for that makes no sense.

If he said, “I want to prove myself to you. I want to achieve this with my own hands,” it was true. The chapter explicitly shows him seeking help from his rival, learning from him, and applying that knowledge to achieve success and gain recognition. His success was built on effort, collaboration, and growth—there’s no fault in that. Wanting to prove himself with his own hands is perfectly valid.

The real issue lies with her. She wanted to be with him not because she supported him, but because his success made her feel inadequate. She thought being with him could stop his growth while she remained stagnant. She wasn’t improving, wasn’t going anywhere, and couldn’t keep up with him as he surpassed her. She was initially his senpai and taught him the ropes, but now, he has far exceeded her, progressing in ways she can’t match.

Trying to argue that he could have done all this while being with her doesn’t change the core issue: she was jealous of his success, and that jealousy would always poison the relationship.


Your explanation continues to unfairly blame Haruki for his success, disregarding Tsukino's actions. If she truly cared for him, she wouldn't have had sex with his rival while he watched. Even though they weren't in a relationship, her actions were morally wrong and intended to hurt him out of spite and jealousy. She sought solace in his rival not out of affection but to alleviate her own pain, disregarding the harm it caused Haruki. Both she and the rival were envious of Haruki's achievements, leading them to conspire against him. Therefore, if you're assigning blame to the rival, she bears equal, if not greater, responsibility for her reprehensible actions.b

You don't really read my first answer to you until the end, don't you ?
i don't blame you or something, I know it was long, and since English is not my first language i definitely must have let grammatical and orthographic errors in it.


So now, my response to you paragraph by paragraph

first one and second one : I agree with you, that's why a paragraph of my first response say the exact same thing

And once again, with my previous comment if I made it sound like that his self-improvement make at fault for getting destroyed like that, it wasn't what I meant, and for that I will add another thing :
I think that even in an alternate version where they would officially get together after their date 6 months after his confession, she would still end up cheating on him.
Simple reasoning, even in the case they would have got together, she is the one who taught him that he had bring result in his job to be worthy of her so he would have still strived to be better.
Like we saw in the story, he is good, so he would have gone on on being better than and outclassed her and his colleague so they would still ended feeling inferior to him.
The two sharing the same feeling would still seeing eachother to shared their struggles, instead of working on it.
And as MC go higher and higher than them. Which would have brought them to the same state that night.

...

Second paragraph again : So can please quote the part in my first answer to you when I "blame the protagonist for improving himself"? It is not ironic, please show me.

Third paragraph : The idea of that paragraph is if I undertood it well "even the success the protagonist achieved to get his date 6 months after his confessions was in your own word [

was built on effort, collaboration, and growth—there’s no fault in that

]"

If it is, I once again agree with that.
Moreover, I don't remember in my previous answer disagreeing with that, so please once again, I ask you to please quote and show me when I write that in my previous answer for you.
What I remember to have written however, is that just after the date 6 months after his confession, our protagonist himself wasn't agreeing with us about that. And I will once again quote him (page 13 to 15) just the dialogue, not Tsukino's thought :

Haruki :"so...
about my confession from before
could you wait a little longer until I prove myself at work "

Tsukino : "... I think you already surpassed me tho?
In fact, if you talking about achievement alone, you've already surpassed me-..."

Haruki : "Not at all
It was all thanks to Yuzuki for teaching me various stuff
and being able to borrow the expertise of well-known author was a huge help
My own abilities are still lacking...
This was all just coincidence or something"

Tsukino : "Coincidence
I... I see "

Haruki : "So
when i achieve results that I can be proud of, using my own abilities...
would you please go out with me then ?"

So once again, it is never stated if the night she slept with Yuzuki, she was going out with Haruki or not.
But if we assume that they were not, what I critic on Haruki is why is he still not with his dream girl after what he ask above even though he have bulit enough achievements in 18 months to receive an award on live TV ?
Doesn't it look like delaying the thing he wanting for himself ?
That why if that assumption is true, I will say it again our protagonist have a self-esteem problem and lost his initial purpose of improving himself to going out with Tsukino. But here I will correct what i say about my first comment : losing that initial purpose is neither a flaw or a mistake, since we are both agree that Tsukino would end up cheating on him regardless of that.

4th and 5th paragraph : I agree with you that the real problem is her. Once again, I don't remember to have written the contrary. So please once again, show me with quote where I write that.
I talked most about Haruki in my previous answer because you were disagreeing about the 2 problematic things i found about Haruki (and now I realize I still don't if you were disagreeing about those 2 points existence, or about if those 2 points were mistakes or flaws.
In my previous answer, I thought you were disagreeing about their existence, but know I will quickly answer if were disagreeing about them being mistakes or flaws :

• losing his original purpose : even though i think it is wrong, in this story, since we agree she would have ended cheating on him, he is better of never having beeg together with her, So yeah, it is never a flaw nor a mistakes, my first comment about it was wrong.
• have self-esteem issue : it is a problem since it has made him justify and forgive her for being railed by the collegue he surpassed and she compared him when confess for the first time, and made him still run after her for years after that.

confere to histhought on the last page (page 36) :

"It okay, senpai.
I get it
I'm still not good enough, right ?
But I will become worthy of you as soon as possible, so please wait for me."

And if you try to tell me he wouldn't have try to improve himself at work if he didn't have low self-esteem, I say bullshit, you can improve yourself and not have a low opinion of yourself.)

6th and last paragraph :

"continues to unfairly blame Haruki for his success, disregarding Tsukino's actions."

...

So finally I will say who I BLAME in order :

- Yuzuki is most to blame by a land slide,

Ah...
I wrote "Yuzuki", when I thought "Tsukino", my bad my bad.

That's why, not only what is written just after those lines is about a she :

she is the one who made Haruki go to that route,
start pouting when he started becoming better than him
a got a problem with it,
and then destroyed him because she couldn't accept it.

But also that I talked about Yuzuki again in the next paragraph while saying "the 2 others":

If A and B are false, I can say nothing to Yuzuki, he like the woman, 2 years earlier he helped his colleague to be with her yet he has done nothing since then. Game is game.
If either A or B is true, he is a bastard, for either sleeping with his friend's dream girl, or the girlfriend of someone he knew.
And if Both assumptions are true, he is a fucking monster.

So the corrected version is :
So finally I will say who I BLAME in order :

- Tsukino is most to blame by a land slide, she is the one who made Haruki go to that route, start pouting when he started becoming better than her a got a problem with it, and then destroyed him because she couldn't accept it.

For the two others it depends of several assumptions =
A : MC asked her out between their first date and that sad night and they were together since then.
B : Haruki and Yuzuki weren't just colleagues who had started at the same time but also friends

If A and B are false, I can say nothing to Yuzuki, he likes the woman, 2 years earlier he helped his colleague to be with her yet he has done nothing since then. Game is game.
If either A or B is true, he is a bastard, for either sleeping with his friend's dream girl, or the girlfriend of someone he knew.
And if Both assumptions are true, he is a fucking monster.

For Haruki, our protagonist, even if nothing he has done make him deserved that, if A is not true, I will complain "why did he play with his food when it was ready to be eaten."
And I would still say that his lack of self-esteem is a fault when after everything she has done to him, he still doesn't understand that she doesn't deserve him.

(amusing, how 2 words wrongly used can change an entire text)

So I quickly stated every opinion I have so if you want to critic or disagreeing about them it would be easier :

Haruki

• is wrong for still trying to go after Tsukino after what she have done to him, it is probably cause by self-esteem issue he had before what she have done
• if he didn't go out with Tsukino between their date 6 months after his confession and 18 months after that that infamous night he lost initial objective of "improving at work to go out with Tsukino". If have to say if it was for the better or for the qorst, it was probably for the better.

Yuzuki
- depending of the context we couldn't confirm he :

• just sleep with a senpai he like while his collegue who say having a crush still doesn't go out with her two years after
• slept with a woman he like already together with someone he know just before she go meet him
• slept with a crush of one of his friends just before he spend the night with her
• slept the girlfriend of his friend just before they joint up for the night

He go from basically blame less to a really big asshole

Tsukino
- the main one if not only one to blame from this tragedy of the story

• go tell his kouhai to try harder after his confession even though she could have make him tried harder while being together (it should have even been easier this way)
• got jealous when he surpassed her
• instead of working about her and inferiority complex and inadequacy just let fester in her 18 months after realizing herself (even she is not enough dumb to not know it would have become a problem she start to going out with haruki)
• doesn't seem humble enough to ask haruki from help if the real problem was her stagnation
• didn't keeping her promise to wait for him what she have done
• getting railed while he watched
• etc

Once again, thanks you very much if you read my response until here.

Have a good day/evening/night

 

[AcidVlad]

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[IceAlchemist0]

You don't really read my first answer to you until the end, don't you ?
i don't blame you or something, I know it was long, and since English is not my first language i definitely must have let grammatical and orthographic errors in it.


So now, my response to you paragraph by paragraph

first one and second one : I agree with you, that's why a paragraph of my first response say the exact same thing


...

Second paragraph again : So can please quote the part in my first answer to you when I "blame the protagonist for improving himself"? It is not ironic, please show me.

Third paragraph : The idea of that paragraph is if I undertood it well "even the success the protagonist achieved to get his date 6 months after his confessions was in your own word [

]"

If it is, I once again agree with that.
Moreover, I don't remember in my previous answer disagreeing with that, so please once again, I ask you to please quote and show me when I write that in my previous answer for you.
What I remember to have written however, is that just after the date 6 months after his confession, our protagonist himself wasn't agreeing with us about that. And I will once again quote him (page 13 to 15) just the dialogue, not Tsukino's thought :



So once again, it is never stated if the night she slept with Yuzuki, she was going out with Haruki or not.
But if we assume that they were not, what I critic on Haruki is why is he still not with his dream girl after what he ask above even though he have bulit enough achievements in 18 months to receive an award on live TV ?
Doesn't it look like delaying the thing he wanting for himself ?
That why if that assumption is true, I will say it again our protagonist have a self-esteem problem and lost his initial purpose of improving himself to going out with Tsukino. But here I will correct what i say about my first comment : losing that initial purpose is neither a flaw or a mistake, since we are both agree that Tsukino would end up cheating on him regardless of that.

4th and 5th paragraph : I agree with you that the real problem is her. Once again, I don't remember to have written the contrary. So please once again, show me with quote where I write that.
I talked most about Haruki in my previous answer because you were disagreeing about the 2 problematic things i found about Haruki (and now I realize I still don't if you were disagreeing about those 2 points existence, or about if those 2 points were mistakes or flaws.
In my previous answer, I thought you were disagreeing about their existence, but know I will quickly answer if were disagreeing about them being mistakes or flaws :

• losing his original purpose : even though i think it is wrong, in this story, since we agree she would have ended cheating on him, he is better of never having beeg together with her, So yeah, it is never a flaw nor a mistakes, my first comment about it was wrong.
• have self-esteem issue : it is a problem since it has made him justify and forgive her for being railed by the collegue he surpassed and she compared him when confess for the first time, and made him still run after her for years after that.

confere to histhought on the last page (page 36) :

And if you try to tell me he wouldn't have try to improve himself at work if he didn't have low self-esteem, I say bullshit, you can improve yourself and not have a low opinion of yourself.)

6th and last paragraph :

...

Ah...
I wrote "Yuzuki", when I thought "Tsukino", my bad my bad.

That's why, not only what is written just after those lines is about a she :


But also that I talked about Yuzuki again in the next paragraph while saying "the 2 others":


So the corrected version is :
So finally I will say who I BLAME in order :



(amusing, how 2 words wrongly used can change an entire text)

So I quickly stated every opinion I have so if you want to critic or disagreeing about them it would be easier :

Haruki

• is wrong for still trying to go after Tsukino after what she have done to him, it is probably cause by self-esteem issue he had before what she have done
• if he didn't go out with Tsukino between their date 6 months after his confession and 18 months after that that infamous night he lost initial objective of "improving at work to go out with Tsukino". If have to say if it was for the better or for the qorst, it was probably for the better.

Yuzuki
- depending of the context we couldn't confirm he :

• just sleep with a senpai he like while his collegue who say having a crush still doesn't go out with her two years after
• slept with a woman he like already together with someone he know just before she go meet him
• slept with a crush of one of his friends just before he spend the night with her
• slept the girlfriend of his friend just before they joint up for the night

He go from basically blame less to a really big asshole

Tsukino
- the main one if not only one to blame from this tragedy of the story

• go tell his kouhai to try harder after his confession even though she could have make him tried harder while being together (it should have even been easier this way)
• got jealous when he surpassed her
• instead of working about her and inferiority complex and inadequacy just let fester in her 18 months after realizing herself (even she is not enough dumb to not know it would have become a problem she start to going out with haruki)
• doesn't seem humble enough to ask haruki from help if the real problem was her stagnation
• didn't keeping her promise to wait for him what she have done
• getting railed while he watched
• etc

Once again, thanks you very much if you read my response until here.

Have a good day/evening/night

Yeah, you’re right—this is super long. The part I was disagreeing with is when you said he had lost his original purpose. You've already corrected yourself by saying that the whole time, his original purpose was to prove he was worthy enough to be with her. Regardless, I’m not saying he didn’t have low self-esteem. Clearly, what happened to him at the end of the chapter, especially seeing her have sex with his rival, deeply hurt and ruined him. That’s understandable. He had low self-esteem, but the problem is that she contributed to it.

She set a condition for him to prove himself. Matter of fact, scratch that—she pointed out that he’d been on the job for four years without progressing, while his rival, her colleague, had been on the job the same amount of time and was already being called the next ace. She threw that in his face and set a condition: if he proved himself at his job, then they could talk about being together. But even then, she wasn’t certain about wanting a relationship with him. By setting that tone and those conditions, she put him in a position where he felt he had to elevate himself to prove his worth and ensure she would choose him.

When they met up after six months, either walking home, to the bus stop, or to grab some food, he asked her to wait, and by that time, she was already jealous of his success. That’s what I was pointing out: her jealousy, her stagnation at her job, and her reliance on his rival. She ended up sleeping with his rival not because she cared about him, but because she wanted to hurt the MC. When she noticed he was standing in the doorway, she didn’t stop. She didn’t push his rival off her. She kept going. Why? Because she wanted the MC to feel the same pain she was feeling.

So, no, my previous response wasn’t about disagreeing with you. I only disagreed with the part where you said he had lost his purpose, and you’ve since corrected that. Other than that, everything else is basically identical. My point is that she was the problem, regardless of whether they started a relationship or not. Even if he paid attention to her and they got together, she wouldn’t have gotten over her jealousy of him or his success. She would have sabotaged the relationship. She would have cheated or done something else to ruin it.

Even she acknowledges that she’s a bad person with deep-seated issues. That’s all I was saying.

 

[Desertking1]

This is the type of series mfs would swear they hate but be the first to check out when new chapters drop. People don’t like to admit but they like drama more than they wanna admit, and this oneshot got potential. I hope this gets serialized so the author can cook.

 

[BobBob]

Homie put her on a pedestal so high she fell off it and for another guy. A bit more communication from both sides would've saved the day, but well, that's not why we're here now is it?