Futoku no Guild - Vol. 15 Ch. 89 - Sky, Earth, Horizon

[exxeld]

peak on the horizon. Show em a real clear sky Seiten

 

[redjacks]

emmm who was this Megasu again?

 

[einrip]

Forever Mesugaki

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Hem]

I forgot Hadesman figured out their plan about the healing ban before it happened... Still the following chapters are well done.

Thanks for the chapter, Kredim.

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I really hope this doesn't devolve into brainless shounen unga-bunga, because Horaigon's words are at least reminiscent of it--and that sort of thing would already be right up the alley of someone present, if his reaction to Horaigon's assertion is any indication.

Spoiler: For length

That said, Horaigon is wrong in multiple ways, and he doesn't appear to be aiming to accomplish anything. To begin with, his perspective is distorted by his interactions with the people he'd met prior--and those he spared. Of the people present/in the vicinity and opposing Hades, the only ones that could be considered "kind" are Horaigon himself, Hitamuki, and the constable who wept over Kimujina. (Assuming I'm not forgetting anyone.) Aside from battle maniac True and the elder Kinz brother, who's there for his job, you have the biggest contradiction in everyone's favorite not-pedo (lol), Kikuru. Pages 17-18 constitute the second time (if there weren't more) Hades has demonstrated no will to involve noncombatants, specifically Meidena; and on page 19, Meidena was effectively released from her ostensible hostage state. Page 20 showed Kikuru's response, which you could see in his expression--never mind his accompanying action: kill, kill, kill. (Who, then, is the one that can't be reasoned with?)

Second, there is a Latin saying: si vis pacem, para bellum. Translated, "If you want peace, prepare for war." No matter how much the feminine and the effeminate are disturbed by it, the truth is that violence inevitably becomes the name of the game after discussion proves ineffective (this includes nonviolent force, mind). No matter how good you are there will be people for whom righteousness is immaterial, or even objectionable--people who will bring harm to you for their own gratification and nothing more. Indeed, people who would kill you or your loved ones for a feeling, who can't be reasoned with any more than you could successfully meet emotion with logic--people on whom a mere spanking or stern words with an angry look won't have an effect. Sometimes, killing IS the only answer, which is precisely why the guards--Kikuru included--bear lethal weapons. I don't remember Hades' kill count, but I'm almost certain he's got a few on his hands--even indirectly. If this is the case, what's the difference between Hades and Kikuru, or any other guard for that matter? Furthermore, if what Horaigon said is true, then why is Meidena still alive? Why is it that the most she's gotten from Hades, aside from her history being read, was two warnings about her providing aid on a battlefield? Even Kikuru was dealt what would normally be a lethal blow by Hades--why was Hades stopping to wax wistful about a peaceful past instead of going bloodlust mode like Kikuru has, to finish that job AFTER killing off that helpless white mage?

The people who think communication through fighting is anything more than a violent, extremely simplistic expression of one's will (or emotions, as the case may be) are the ones who deserve Horaigon's implied condemnation--which, ironically, includes Horaigon himself. "Because we're friends" doesn't justify a bloodbath, however one-sided.

By the looks of things, Horaigon is just overwhelmed by emotion, the compelling appeals of naturally emotional people (at least one of whom is nevertheless genuinely good-hearted), and the moral conflicts of the situation. He knows well why Hades is doing what he's doing, feels guilt over his support of Hades that led to what he's seen and experienced, and even says it's too late to try to stop Hades--so he's simply throwing himself at Hades because he's deeply upset and doesn't have a solution to that or the problem that's upsetting him so.

That, and because the alternative is opposing people who, to him, appear much nicer than Hades.

Horaigon probably simply isn't thinking that deeply and is instead focusing on how none of the other intelligent monsters truely want to continue this murder spree (or even start it - the one that SEEMED most on board with killing humans has already shown us that he actually wanted to be friends with humans but thought his looks would make it impossible) - and Horaigon can tell Hadesman clearly isn't really happy to be doing all of this either.

As we saw in this chapter Hadesman's mask REALLY slipped when he remarked about Meidenna wetting herself (along with constant eariler slight mask slips every other time Hadesman let a young person or someone he could justify as being a non-combatant live).

If Horaigon is smarter and thinking more deeply than he appears to be - then he is aware of what the other two intelligent monsters ARE/WERE VERY AWARE OF from the second Hadesman started this conflict and why they are so reluctant and sad about this instead of being "Gungho! Lets get revenge for our loved one!"

BIG SPOILER, might ruin the emotional impact of the next few chapters (I'm probably hyping up the reveal TOO much):

Spoiler

From the very start - The Bat Girl Named and the weird Hedgehog+Bulbasaur looking Named (Kikujima?) knew that Hades was doing all of this as a form of Family Suicide.

Hadesman just gave up on everything and wanted to end it all and I guess he figured it was best that all his monster followers get exterminated with him instead of releasing them to be hunted down after they became mindless monsters again...

Taking a final swipe at the oldfolk was really his last intended act before he knew humanity would come slay him and everything around him in response, he's only taking these extra steps to target other specific people now because that time mage (which was just a random stroke of "luck" for Hadesman) uncovered more details and further confirmed his suspicions.

Like I was saying before (previous chapter comments), the "luck" of the time mage entering his domain makes this EXTRA sad because Hadesman had to know she would be a way for the old people to get punished for their acts without him having to get all of his current loved ones slain... but Hadesman was that angry/sad/wanting to avenge his loved one (and he wanted to join her in the afterlife) that he still went through with the Family Suicide plan.

It is valid to think that whatever punishment that the old people would receive according to Human Laws wouldn't be enough to satisfy Hadesman - but nothing was stopping him from observing THEN acting if he thought they got off too lightly.

 

[AAA1]

emmm who was this Megasu again?

the little sister of the ibara 2nd. the girl who was there when true being punched into the wall

 

[Doomroar]

The fuck are you all on? let's not think about who is right and just enjoy the fight? Hadesman is right and we should be killing those old bastards already, they don't deserve saving, no one should be trying to stop Hadesman, and if you are not going to be killing those old farts i may as well self insert myself into the story and kill them myself

 

[SatchelBagman]

emmm who was this Megasu again?

Megasu Kinz; see Chapter 70, where she shows up on the first page and gets properly introduced on Page 4.

 

[oricalco]

Didn't expect the megasu lore backstory but I welcome it! this means she was born to be corrected!!

 

[Giga]

@Giga
did you really just say "whos the real unreasonable one, the unrepetenant murderer or the people there to stop him?"

No, and you know I didn't.

This is exactly what happens when you take someone's position and boil it down to a few words you happen to like at the moment. Naturally, you miss all the meaning originally present.

I forgot Hadesman figured out their plan about the healing ban before it happened... Still the following chapters are well done.

Horaigon probably simply isn't thinking that deeply and is instead focusing on how none of the other intelligent monsters truely want to continue this murder spree (or even start it - the one that SEEMED most on board with killing humans has already shown us that he actually wanted to be friends with humans but thought his looks would make it impossible) - and Horaigon can tell Hadesman clearly isn't really happy to be doing all of this either.

As we saw in this chapter Hadesman's mask REALLY slipped when he remarked about Meidenna wetting herself (along with constant eariler slight mask slips every other time Hadesman let a young person or someone he could justify as being a non-combatant live).

If Horaigon is smarter and thinking more deeply than he appears to be - then he is aware of what the other two intelligent monsters ARE/WERE VERY AWARE OF from the second Hadesman started this conflict and why they are so reluctant and sad about this instead of being "Gungho! Lets get revenge for our loved one!"

This is a much better reply. I appreciate it.

I have no doubt that Horaigon isn't thinking deeply enough--because he's not thinking at all. lol His heart may be in the right place, but what's he going to accomplish by saying, "Let's just fight to the death and not think of anything!" The very fact that he didn't get killed immediately, and was able to spout that declaration of suicidal intent at Hadesman (what is his actual name, anyway?) instead is even more proof that the situation could be changed. Kimujina, after Hadesman, was the most militantly vengeful member of Hadesman's side--and even he turned around in the end.

Hadesman has character and scruples for his opposition to work with--the problem is that the opposition doesn't want to work with that, they just want to kill Hadesman for his killings (yes, for his killings) much more than they want to see justice brought to the people who indirectly murdered Fone. That murder was even premeditated, but somehow, the only solution the setting's political establishment has is for its authority figures to sit on their hands and squirm in indecision as they pretend to punish the guilty party--whose punishment wouldn't have been likely in the first place, if not for Hadesman's attack making the crime one that couldn't be ignored: who would have even bothered to investigate this much if Hadesman had presented his grievances to the same authority whose members murdered Fone?

And as we see all too often in today's real world, simply putting someone in the clink isn't always sufficient to serve justice. What sense does it make to answer a confirmed, unjustified contract killing with the perpetrators being fed and bedded?

 

[Forikorder]

No, and you know I didn't.

This is exactly what happens when you take someone's position and boil it down to a few words you happen to like at the moment. Naturally, you miss all the meaning originally present.

I dont really see any other way to take it other than you saying its kikuru not hades who cant be reasoned with

 

[Nylios]

Did tokishiko have a cursed name? I didn't remember that

 

[mahtan]

Why do I do not trust the bat?

 

[AAA1]

Did tokishiko have a cursed name? I didn't remember that

it's been explained the first time they explained how cursed name work. tokishiko used to be so sick as a baby, their parents wants her to not get toxic hence the name toxic-ishiko

 

[Hem]

I dont really see any other way to take it other than you saying its kikuru not hades who cant be reasoned with

Hmm, I'm not saying either one of you is wrong - Both Kikuru ( currently acting as loyal dog of the larger government - in this case under his orders to "protect human lives") and Hademan (deeply wronged by certain members of humanity) have valid reasons.

In the end - Hadesman committed the crime of denying the larger government's monopoly on violence without being powerful enough, influential enough, or committing his "crimes" in a remote enough location that the larger government could overlook it.

A police officer is forced to arrest you even if he thinks you were fully justified when you hunted down and killed the group of people that disgraced and murdered your family members for fun.

To further take this point home, if your friend knew you were going to hunt down the murderers of your family he might even HELP in some small or large fashion or at least not report you to the police - but when you started trying to kill the police that come to investigate or innocent bystanders that might report you (a closer example to this work is if you blew up a building where your targets AND completely unrelated innocents will die) - I'm sure your friend would be MUCH more likely to think that it all needs to be put to an end.