Futoku no Guild - Vol. 15 Ch. 89 - Sky, Earth, Horizon

[exxeld]

peak on the horizon. Show em a real clear sky Seiten

 

[redjacks]

emmm who was this Megasu again?

 

[einrip]

Forever Mesugaki

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Hem]

I forgot Hadesman figured out their plan about the healing ban before it happened... Still the following chapters are well done.

Thanks for the chapter, Kredim.

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I really hope this doesn't devolve into brainless shounen unga-bunga, because Horaigon's words are at least reminiscent of it--and that sort of thing would already be right up the alley of someone present, if his reaction to Horaigon's assertion is any indication.

Spoiler: For length

That said, Horaigon is wrong in multiple ways, and he doesn't appear to be aiming to accomplish anything. To begin with, his perspective is distorted by his interactions with the people he'd met prior--and those he spared. Of the people present/in the vicinity and opposing Hades, the only ones that could be considered "kind" are Horaigon himself, Hitamuki, and the constable who wept over Kimujina. (Assuming I'm not forgetting anyone.) Aside from battle maniac True and the elder Kinz brother, who's there for his job, you have the biggest contradiction in everyone's favorite not-pedo (lol), Kikuru. Pages 17-18 constitute the second time (if there weren't more) Hades has demonstrated no will to involve noncombatants, specifically Meidena; and on page 19, Meidena was effectively released from her ostensible hostage state. Page 20 showed Kikuru's response, which you could see in his expression--never mind his accompanying action: kill, kill, kill. (Who, then, is the one that can't be reasoned with?)

Second, there is a Latin saying: si vis pacem, para bellum. Translated, "If you want peace, prepare for war." No matter how much the feminine and the effeminate are disturbed by it, the truth is that violence inevitably becomes the name of the game after discussion proves ineffective (this includes nonviolent force, mind). No matter how good you are there will be people for whom righteousness is immaterial, or even objectionable--people who will bring harm to you for their own gratification and nothing more. Indeed, people who would kill you or your loved ones for a feeling, who can't be reasoned with any more than you could successfully meet emotion with logic--people on whom a mere spanking or stern words with an angry look won't have an effect. Sometimes, killing IS the only answer, which is precisely why the guards--Kikuru included--bear lethal weapons. I don't remember Hades' kill count, but I'm almost certain he's got a few on his hands--even indirectly. If this is the case, what's the difference between Hades and Kikuru, or any other guard for that matter? Furthermore, if what Horaigon said is true, then why is Meidena still alive? Why is it that the most she's gotten from Hades, aside from her history being read, was two warnings about her providing aid on a battlefield? Even Kikuru was dealt what would normally be a lethal blow by Hades--why was Hades stopping to wax wistful about a peaceful past instead of going bloodlust mode like Kikuru has, to finish that job AFTER killing off that helpless white mage?

The people who think communication through fighting is anything more than a violent, extremely simplistic expression of one's will (or emotions, as the case may be) are the ones who deserve Horaigon's implied condemnation--which, ironically, includes Horaigon himself. "Because we're friends" doesn't justify a bloodbath, however one-sided.

By the looks of things, Horaigon is just overwhelmed by emotion, the compelling appeals of naturally emotional people (at least one of whom is nevertheless genuinely good-hearted), and the moral conflicts of the situation. He knows well why Hades is doing what he's doing, feels guilt over his support of Hades that led to what he's seen and experienced, and even says it's too late to try to stop Hades--so he's simply throwing himself at Hades because he's deeply upset and doesn't have a solution to that or the problem that's upsetting him so.

That, and because the alternative is opposing people who, to him, appear much nicer than Hades.

Horaigon probably simply isn't thinking that deeply and is instead focusing on how none of the other intelligent monsters truely want to continue this murder spree (or even start it - the one that SEEMED most on board with killing humans has already shown us that he actually wanted to be friends with humans but thought his looks would make it impossible) - and Horaigon can tell Hadesman clearly isn't really happy to be doing all of this either.

As we saw in this chapter Hadesman's mask REALLY slipped when he remarked about Meidenna wetting herself (along with constant eariler slight mask slips every other time Hadesman let a young person or someone he could justify as being a non-combatant live).

If Horaigon is smarter and thinking more deeply than he appears to be - then he is aware of what the other two intelligent monsters ARE/WERE VERY AWARE OF from the second Hadesman started this conflict and why they are so reluctant and sad about this instead of being "Gungho! Lets get revenge for our loved one!"

BIG SPOILER, might ruin the emotional impact of the next few chapters (I'm probably hyping up the reveal TOO much):

Spoiler

From the very start - The Bat Girl Named and the weird Hedgehog+Bulbasaur looking Named (Kikujima?) knew that Hades was doing all of this as a form of Family Suicide.

Hadesman just gave up on everything and wanted to end it all and I guess he figured it was best that all his monster followers get exterminated with him instead of releasing them to be hunted down after they became mindless monsters again...

Taking a final swipe at the oldfolk was really his last intended act before he knew humanity would come slay him and everything around him in response, he's only taking these extra steps to target other specific people now because that time mage (which was just a random stroke of "luck" for Hadesman) uncovered more details and further confirmed his suspicions.

Like I was saying before (previous chapter comments), the "luck" of the time mage entering his domain makes this EXTRA sad because Hadesman had to know she would be a way for the old people to get punished for their acts without him having to get all of his current loved ones slain... but Hadesman was that angry/sad/wanting to avenge his loved one (and he wanted to join her in the afterlife) that he still went through with the Family Suicide plan.

It is valid to think that whatever punishment that the old people would receive according to Human Laws wouldn't be enough to satisfy Hadesman - but nothing was stopping him from observing THEN acting if he thought they got off too lightly.

 

[AAA1]

emmm who was this Megasu again?

the little sister of the ibara 2nd. the girl who was there when true being punched into the wall

 

[Doomroar]

The fuck are you all on? let's not think about who is right and just enjoy the fight? Hadesman is right and we should be killing those old bastards already, they don't deserve saving, no one should be trying to stop Hadesman, and if you are not going to be killing those old farts i may as well self insert myself into the story and kill them myself

 

[SatchelBagman]

emmm who was this Megasu again?

Megasu Kinz; see Chapter 70, where she shows up on the first page and gets properly introduced on Page 4.

 

[oricalco]

Didn't expect the megasu lore backstory but I welcome it! this means she was born to be corrected!!

 

[Giga]

@Giga
did you really just say "whos the real unreasonable one, the unrepetenant murderer or the people there to stop him?"

No, and you know I didn't.

This is exactly what happens when you take someone's position and boil it down to a few words you happen to like at the moment. Naturally, you miss all the meaning originally present.

I forgot Hadesman figured out their plan about the healing ban before it happened... Still the following chapters are well done.

Horaigon probably simply isn't thinking that deeply and is instead focusing on how none of the other intelligent monsters truely want to continue this murder spree (or even start it - the one that SEEMED most on board with killing humans has already shown us that he actually wanted to be friends with humans but thought his looks would make it impossible) - and Horaigon can tell Hadesman clearly isn't really happy to be doing all of this either.

As we saw in this chapter Hadesman's mask REALLY slipped when he remarked about Meidenna wetting herself (along with constant eariler slight mask slips every other time Hadesman let a young person or someone he could justify as being a non-combatant live).

If Horaigon is smarter and thinking more deeply than he appears to be - then he is aware of what the other two intelligent monsters ARE/WERE VERY AWARE OF from the second Hadesman started this conflict and why they are so reluctant and sad about this instead of being "Gungho! Lets get revenge for our loved one!"

This is a much better reply. I appreciate it.

I have no doubt that Horaigon isn't thinking deeply enough--because he's not thinking at all. lol His heart may be in the right place, but what's he going to accomplish by saying, "Let's just fight to the death and not think of anything!" The very fact that he didn't get killed immediately, and was able to spout that declaration of suicidal intent at Hadesman (what is his actual name, anyway?) instead is even more proof that the situation could be changed. Kimujina, after Hadesman, was the most militantly vengeful member of Hadesman's side--and even he turned around in the end.

Hadesman has character and scruples for his opposition to work with--the problem is that the opposition doesn't want to work with that, they just want to kill Hadesman for his killings (yes, for his killings) much more than they want to see justice brought to the people who indirectly murdered Fone. That murder was even premeditated, but somehow, the only solution the setting's political establishment has is for its authority figures to sit on their hands and squirm in indecision as they pretend to punish the guilty party--whose punishment wouldn't have been likely in the first place, if not for Hadesman's attack making the crime one that couldn't be ignored: who would have even bothered to investigate this much if Hadesman had presented his grievances to the same authority whose members murdered Fone?

And as we see all too often in today's real world, simply putting someone in the clink isn't always sufficient to serve justice. What sense does it make to answer a confirmed, unjustified contract killing with the perpetrators being fed and bedded?

 

[Forikorder]

No, and you know I didn't.

This is exactly what happens when you take someone's position and boil it down to a few words you happen to like at the moment. Naturally, you miss all the meaning originally present.

I dont really see any other way to take it other than you saying its kikuru not hades who cant be reasoned with

 

[Nylios]

Did tokishiko have a cursed name? I didn't remember that

 

[mahtan]

Why do I do not trust the bat?

 

[AAA1]

Did tokishiko have a cursed name? I didn't remember that

it's been explained the first time they explained how cursed name work. tokishiko used to be so sick as a baby, their parents wants her to not get toxic hence the name toxic-ishiko

 

[Hem]

I dont really see any other way to take it other than you saying its kikuru not hades who cant be reasoned with

Hmm, I'm not saying either one of you is wrong - Both Kikuru ( currently acting as loyal dog of the larger government - in this case under his orders to "protect human lives") and Hademan (deeply wronged by certain members of humanity) have valid reasons.

In the end - Hadesman committed the crime of denying the larger government's monopoly on violence without being powerful enough, influential enough, or committing his "crimes" in a remote enough location that the larger government could overlook it.

A police officer is forced to arrest you even if he thinks you were fully justified when you hunted down and killed the group of people that disgraced and murdered your family members for fun.

To further take this point home, if your friend knew you were going to hunt down the murderers of your family he might even HELP in some small or large fashion or at least not report you to the police - but when you started trying to kill the police that come to investigate or innocent bystanders that might report you (a closer example to this work is if you blew up a building where your targets AND completely unrelated innocents will die) - I'm sure your friend would be MUCH more likely to think that it all needs to be put to an end.

 

[Forikorder]

Hmm, I'm not saying either one of you is wrong - Both Kikuru ( currently acting as loyal dog of the larger government - in this case under his orders to "protect human lives") and Hademan (deeply wronged by certain members of humanity) have valid reasons.

In the end - Hadesman committed the crime of denying the larger government's monopoly on violence without being powerful enough, influential enough, or committing his "crimes" in a remote enough location that the larger government could overlook it.

A police officer is forced to arrest you even if he thinks you were fully justified when you hunted down and killed the group of people that disgraced and murdered your family members for fun.

To further take this point home, if your friend knew you were going to hunt down the murderers of your family he might even HELP in some small or large fashion or at least not report you to the police - but when you started trying to kill the police that come to investigate or innocent bystanders that might report you (a closer example to this work is if you blew up a building where your targets AND completely unrelated innocents will die) - I'm sure your friend would be MUCH more likely to think that it all needs to be put to an end.

Kikuru is under no orders and doing this entirely of his own initiative to protect innocent people from hades's violence

A police officer is forced to arrest you even if he thinks you were fully justified when you hunted down and killed the group of people that disgraced and murdered your family members for fun.

these being the only ones Hades has so far hasnt even tried to kill

no problem killing innocent people in kaboku

no problem killing the first group of guards who came to rescue them

no problem trying to kill the second group of guards

hasnt killed the actual masterminds

 

[Giga]

Hmm, I'm not saying either one of you is wrong - Both Kikuru ( currently acting as loyal dog of the larger government - in this case under his orders to "protect human lives") and Hademan (deeply wronged by certain members of humanity) have valid reasons.

I agree with you.

In the end - Hadesman committed the crime of denying the larger government's monopoly on violence without being powerful enough, influential enough, or committing his "crimes" in a remote enough location that the larger government could overlook it.

Spoiler: For length

This is true; the bolded part in particular is related to what forms part of the crux of my argument. Hadesman IS powerful, but his political power is nowhere near that. The part you're missing is something I think you (if it wasn't someone else) said in the past: Hadesman is considered a "god", but is actually--for all intents and purposes that would not suit the human government and society at large, apparently, to regard him as divine--a lower-class being. That such a lower-class being is denying that monopoly, to the servants of that government (to say nothing of that government itself), is cause to stop asking questions--even if that "lower-class being" can be reasoned with and actually has a reason for what it's doing.

A subsection of that government is actually the guilty party--the initial criminals in question--who'd already antagonized Hadesman before its members ordered the hit on Fone, and when those most aggressive of the government agents sent after Hadesman found out, the most any of them did was navelgaze for a moment then return to bloodlust.

(And for those who can't or don't like to read, the initial act of criminality was that contract killing.)

Another part of this is illustrated in a hypothetical: guards are mainly tasked with monster control, to be sure, what if Kikuru and his group--or any other comparable group of enforcers comprising guards or not, because general law enforcement is also involved in Hadesman's case--were tasked with dealing with a human subject? A human, let's say, with a cursed name that confers considerable, effective power. What if this human--who displays as much reasonability as Hadesman does--was in exactly Hadesman's position? Would summary execution on sight be the only means of dealing with him?

If it is, why haven't the members of that subsection of government been slated for death once their wrongdoing has been uncovered--even by Hadesman's hand, since he seeks the redress--instead of being protected and their lives preserved as is the case?

A police officer is forced to arrest you even if he thinks you were fully justified when you hunted down and killed the group of people that disgraced and murdered your family members for fun.

This is also true. Such an enforcer of the law cannot be faulted for this.

To further take this point home, if your friend knew you were going to hunt down the murderers of your family he might even HELP in some small or large fashion or at least not report you to the police - but when you started trying to kill the police that come to investigate or innocent bystanders that might report you (a closer example to this work is if you blew up a building where your targets AND completely unrelated innocents will die) - I'm sure your friend would be MUCH more likely to think that it all needs to be put to an end.

Spoiler: For length

But this illustrates something that aligns with my underlying argument. Here, outside the eyes of the government, the government agent--the law enforcer--has latitude to act extralegally in service of justice (i.e., righteousness and equity; the latter of which meaning "fairness" as it always has, not "equivalence/sameness" as "equality" does), as opposed to the strict interpretation of the law (which may not be just--as can easily be seen in Hadesman's case). This extralegal action (because, apparently, the legal action is to kill whomever defies that aforementioned monopoly on violence--without question) can range from helping that friend to at least trying to talk him down from doing anything further. The solution of Kikuru et al., aside from that one moment of navelgazing, consistently remained killing the apparent usurper of that aforementioned monopoly.

The last part about creating collateral casualties is also valid, and it is (as I've said in the past) what hurts Hadesman's case tremendously--if not only because it criminalizes his pursuit of redress and thereby makes him a criminal, but especially because the government and the people it governs will not regard him logically but emotionally. That isn't my point, however: my point is that the goal of anyone enforcing law (especially anyone who bears the sword to do so) should be to pursue and uphold justice, even to his last breath; this does not allow one to turn off his mind once things get too complicated or uncomfortable. Relevantly, someone with that responsibility does not get to say, "This is just too much--let's just kill each other and be done with it!!!" That's what Horaigon's words amounted to, and the essence thereof is similarly what the actions of Kikuru and his group amount to; the reality of that statement is the following:

"Enough from you--just die so this trouble can come to an end already."

No one cared or even knew about what happened to Fone (lol except for the government that made it happen) until Hadesman started killing people over it--intentionally or unintentionally, successfully or unsuccessfully--and what happened to Fone happened because that subsection of that government, enslaved by emotion, bore ill will toward Hadesman for his failure to perform as expected (if I recall correctly).

 

[Forikorder]

I agree with you.

Spoiler: For length

This is true; the bolded part in particular is related to what forms part of the crux of my argument. Hadesman IS powerful, but his political power is nowhere near that. The part you're missing is something I think you (if it wasn't someone else) said in the past: Hadesman is considered a "god", but is actually--for all intents and purposes that would not suit the human government and society at large, apparently, to regard him as divine--a lower-class being. That such a lower-class being is denying that monopoly, to the servants of that government (to say nothing of that government itself), is cause to stop asking questions--even if that "lower-class being" can be reasoned with and actually has a reason for what it's doing.

A subsection of that government is actually the guilty party--the initial criminals in question--who'd already antagonized Hadesman before its members ordered the hit on Fone, and when those most aggressive of the government agents sent after Hadesman found out, the most any of them did was navelgaze for a moment then return to bloodlust.

(And for those who can't or don't like to read, the initial act of criminality was that contract killing.)

Another part of this is illustrated in a hypothetical: guards are mainly tasked with monster control, to be sure, what if Kikuru and his group--or any other comparable group of enforcers comprising guards or not, because general law enforcement is also involved in Hadesman's case--were tasked with dealing with a human subject? A human, let's say, with a cursed name that confers considerable, effective power. What if this human--who displays as much reasonability as Hadesman does--was in exactly Hadesman's position? Would summary execution on sight be the only means of dealing with him?

If it is, why haven't the members of that subsection of government been slated for death once their wrongdoing has been uncovered--even by Hadesman's hand, since he seeks the redress--instead of being protected and their lives preserved as is the case?

This is also true. Such an enforcer of the law cannot be faulted for this.

Spoiler: For length

But this illustrates something that aligns with my underlying argument. Here, outside the eyes of the government, the government agent--the law enforcer--has latitude to act extralegally in service of justice (i.e., righteousness and equity; the latter of which meaning "fairness" as it always has, not "equivalence/sameness" as "equality" does), as opposed to the strict interpretation of the law (which may not be just--as can easily be seen in Hadesman's case). This extralegal action (because, apparently, the legal action is to kill whomever defies that aforementioned monopoly on violence--without question) can range from helping that friend to at least trying to talk him down from doing anything further. The solution of Kikuru et al., aside from that one moment of navelgazing, consistently remained killing the apparent usurper of that aforementioned monopoly.

The last part about creating collateral casualties is also valid, and it is (as I've said in the past) what hurts Hadesman's case tremendously--if not only because it criminalizes his pursuit of redress and thereby makes him a criminal, but especially because the government and the people it governs will not regard him logically but emotionally. That isn't my point, however: my point is that the goal of anyone enforcing law (especially anyone who bears the sword to do so) should be to pursue and uphold justice, even to his last breath; this does not allow one to turn off his mind once things get too complicated or uncomfortable. Relevantly, someone with that responsibility does not get to say, "This is just too much--let's just kill each other and be done with it!!!" That's what Horaigon's words amounted to, and the essence thereof is similarly what the actions of Kikuru and his group amount to; the reality of that statement is the following:

"Enough from you--just die so this trouble can come to an end already."

No one cared or even knew about what happened to Fone (lol except for the government that made it happen) until Hadesman started killing people over it--intentionally or unintentionally, successfully or unsuccessfully--and what happened to Fone happened because that subsection of that government, enslaved by emotion, bore ill will toward Hadesman for his failure to perform as expected (if I recall correctly).

What country are you in that you think any law enforcement would tirn a blind eye to an ongoing murder spree and not kill the perp when he shoots at them?


Hades had the opportunity to solve this peacefully, he could have only killed the ones responsible and turned himself in to stand trial, he has chosen suicide by cop by choice

 

[Hem]

What country are you in that you think any law enforcement would tirn a blind eye to an ongoing murder spree and not kill the perp when he shoots at them?


Hades had the opportunity to solve this peacefully, he could have only killed the ones responsible and turned himself in to stand trial, he has chosen suicide by cop by choice

The UK (and other countries) turned a blind eye towards grooming gangs and continues to ignore other immigrant crime because it makes the leaders (or immigrants themselves) look bad, some stuff is TOO egregious and/or happens outside of the immigrant community so they are FORCED to act.
In America we tend to have an issue with "youths" along with immigrant crime which is suppressed/hushed up/unevenly enforced depending on the political climate of that particular city/state BUT even putting aside the politically charged subjects -

If you commit a crime to someone or something insignificant and don't raise a big enough stink about it (like the victim is too scared to report it or press charges after the cops come investigate) - the government will happily ignore it.

Or again, if someone REALLY rich or influential does something like slap his wife/girlfriend around but she doesn't cry and whine about it once she realizes that she'll lose his money or she might be targeted by a bigger threat later, the BIG FISH will either not get arrested in the first place or get off easy in court.

Even the lowest level of government enforcer, a police officer, will let a obvious fight go unpunished if you don't do in right in front of them (especially because body cams are proof that something happened which MAKES the cop act) - they'll investigate and if both parties are saying "nothing happened" they'll back off unless a there is a third party complaint or recording of the event.

The larger government structure doesn't give a shit about individual fights or a murder of some random woman (Fone), they care about protecting the peace and commerce above all else so that society can be productive and produce taxes, etc.
Maintaining a monopoly of violence and enforcing laws are just a means to an end to have a functioning society (after all, powerful people have to sometimes walk among the common folk and don't want their kids getting robbed or worse every time they aren't surrounded by guards).

And your first line contradicts your "Kikuru is under no orders and doing this entirely of his own initiative to protect innocent people from hades's violence" comment.

An off-duty police officer is STILL a police officer and is trusted and obligated to enforce the law. Kikuru as a guard is TO PROTECT HUMAN LIVES (the ultimate goal of monster control - they don't use the POLICE to kill monsters in this setting they use GUARDS - maybe the military as well?) and he is undertaking his duty as it was entrusted to him and I'm sure he has said so himself already.

Now cops ARE NOT forced to die in the line of duty they are able to back off from obvious fatal danger (but they are supposed to wait for back up in a safe spot where they can observe/contain the suspect instead of flee, if they flee for no good reason they are likely to lose their job) - I believe the same situation exists for Kikuru - he was obligated by duty to act as an ACE but once he figured out how strong Hadesman is - it would have made perfect sense for him to retreat to a safe area and await backup and provide intel on Hadesman's abilities.

Sure, some people call police cowardly or whatever when 10 cops with rifles at crime scene don't charge blindly into gunfire or refuse to approach the car of a single suspect that MIGHT have a weapon until they get a riot shield - but Kikuru is choosing to make the "valorous" sacrificial decision to waste Hadesman's time so he doesn't go torture/murder the captured old people rather than the "smart" one (Kikuru shouldn't be aware he has plot armor as the MC).

 

[Forikorder]

The UK (and other countries) turned a blind eye towards grooming gangs and continues to ignore other immigrant crime because it makes the leaders (or immigrants themselves) look bad, some stuff is TOO egregious and/or happens outside of the immigrant community so they are FORCED to act.
In America we tend to have an issue with "youths" along with immigrant crime which is suppressed/hushed up/unevenly enforced depending on the political climate of that particular city/state BUT even putting aside the politically charged subjects -

If you commit a crime to someone or something insignificant and don't raise a big enough stink about it (like the victim is too scared to report it or press charges after the cops come investigate) - the government will happily ignore it.

Or again, if someone REALLY rich or influential does something like slap his wife/girlfriend around but she doesn't cry and whine about it once she realizes that she'll lose his money or she might be targeted by a bigger threat later, the BIG FISH will either not get arrested in the first place or get off easy in court.

Even the lowest level of government enforcer, a police officer, will let a obvious fight go unpunished if you don't do in right in front of them (especially because body cams are proof that something happened which MAKES the cop act) - they'll investigate and if both parties are saying "nothing happened" they'll back off unless a there is a third party complaint or recording of the event.

The larger government structure doesn't give a shit around individual fights or a murder of some random woman (Fone), they care about protecting the peace and commerce above all else so that society can be productive and produce taxes, etc.
Maintaining a monopoly of violence and enforcing laws are just a means to an end to have a functioning society (after all, powerful people have to sometimes walk among the common folk and don't want their kids getting robbed or worse every time they aren't surrounded by guards).

And your first line contradicts your "Kikuru is under no orders and doing this entirely of his own initiative to protect innocent people from hades's violence" comment.

An off-duty police officer is STILL a police officer and is trusted and obligated to enforce the law. Kikuru as a guard is TO PROTECT HUMAN LIVES (the ultimate goal of monster control - they don't use the POLICE to kill monsters in this setting they use GUARDS - maybe the military as well?) and he is undertaking his duty as it was entrusted to him and I'm sure he has said so himself already.

Now cops ARE NOT forced to die in the line of duty they are able to back off from obvious fatal danger (but they are supposed to wait for back up in a safe spot where they can observe/contain the suspect instead of flee, if they flee for no good reason they are likely to lose their job) - I believe the same situation exists for Kikuru - he was obligated by duty to act as an ACE but once he figured out how strong Hadesman is - it would have made perfect sense for him to retreat to a safe area and await backup and provide intel on Hadesman's abilities.

Sure, some people call police cowardly or whatever when 10 cops with rifles at crime scene don't charge blindly into gunfire or refuse to approach the car of a single suspect that MIGHT have a weapon until they get a riot shield - but Kikuru is choosing to make the "valorous" sacrificial decision to waste Hadesman's time so he doesn't go torture/murder the captured old people rather than the "smart" one (Kikuru shouldn't be aware he has plot armor as the MC).

Kikuru is a private citizen, the guild is not the government and he chooses what monsters to hunt