Ori no Naka - Ch. 26 - Karma

[VesperPie]

Omedetou!

 

[soda_bunny]

The offensive and regressive view that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree? The view that you've been dragged, kicking and screaming, into admitting is true? https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-26-karma.2413169/post-27602180
And no, people are actually going go grow more and more aware of the findings of behavioural genetics in the future, especially as more data for genome-wide-association studies gets gathered people become able to predict things like schizophrenia and violent behaviour better and better from their dna alone.
If you're betting against scientific and technological knowledge shrinking then you're in for a lifetime of disappointment and coping.
And no people aren't going to throw common sense out the window and pretend that people with troubled childhoods are not more likely to become criminals or harm others when that's empirically true.

btw, how exactly is it "redpill bs" that women find competence sexy , when they next sentence you say "duh" and so admit that it is obviously true? Don't you mean "redpill truth" rather than "redpill bullshit" ?

"I work with and have family with autism, I appreciate that you take thing very seriously and like it when things are very black and white."
This is very funny given that I know you'd be the first person to call someone "ableist" if you overheard someone use the word "autistic" to describe argumentative or pedantic behaviour.
BTW can you show an example of me inaccurately simplifying something into black and white? I don't think you can because every claim I've made about psychology and genetics has been accurate and most of your attempts to correct me have consisted of attacking strawmen that I never said.

I'll use person-first language if someone wants, but in my experience autistic is the vastly preferred term. Would you like me to use person-first language?

Second, yeah, you used the terms "complete lunatic", claim women all want families and only pick men who can provide for them, as if we're a hivemind and all want the same things, fail to notice basic things like the fact that Yumezora is the ONLY character to have multiple chapters almost exclusively focused on depicting, stating and offering explicit interpretation of her past traumas and current behaviors.
And finally, even the studies you keep spamming give zero indication of causation, which if you aren't familiar with academia makes sense why you find them to be so back and white absolute.

 

[Rearts13]

Bruh, some part of the comment section was about to turn into gender war. It seems I can't escape it.

Anyway, there is a lot of trauma.

 

[dsfargeg]

Uhhhhhhh.... you said this....


I can't tell if you are looking for an argument to jerk off to or genuinely feeling this. Either way, I am not the one who said this comment. YOU did.

I think its insulting to those who are mentally disabled when pretty sure they know better. If you can do better.

Let me try to clear up your confusion a bit with a metaphor:
Owning a herd of cows is illegal.
In my post you quoted, I said owning one cow (taking used pads from the trash once) is not a crime.

You said Gomi was a criminal for owning a flock of birds. I tried to explain that his crime is owning a herd of cows because he keeps buying cows. Owning one cow, or going around and owning all kinds of different animals, is not a crime.

His crime is repeatedly taking the trash of a specific person in a way that would disturb that individual. If he was doing it to a large number of different people or doing it only once, it isn't a crime. Stuff thrown in public trash bins is considered abandoned property and anyone is permitted to take it.

The crime in question is not sexual harassment as you originally said, it is stalking in the least charitable interpretation, and it is only because he is doing it to a specific person repeatedly. His crime wasn't owning a flock of birds, it was owning a herd of cows. Owning one cow is not owning a herd of cows.

I don't know how to make this simpler without using literal drawings.

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

Might be better to let her pass on from the overdose.

 

[danbellucci]

I'll use person-first language if someone wants, but in my experience autistic is the vastly preferred term. Would you like me to use person-first language?

Second, yeah, you used the terms "complete lunatic", claim women all want families and only pick men who can provide for them, as if we're a hivemind and all want the same things, fail to notice basic things like the fact that Yumezora is the ONLY character to have multiple chapters almost exclusively focused on depicting, stating and offering explicit interpretation of her past traumas and current behaviors.
And finally, even the studies you keep spamming give zero indication of causation, which if you aren't familiar with academia makes sense why you find them to be so back and white absolute.

No idea what you mean by first person language and I don't see how it addresses my point. I'm accusing you of being the kind of person who indignantly calls other people ableist if they casually describe or refer to fussy or pedantic or argumentative behaviour as autistic yet here you are casually calling me autistic for the same thing. i.e. a hypocrite.

who did I call a complete lunatic? Someone who did not deserve it? (no.) Or are you saying that there does not exist a single person whom it would be accurate to call a complete lunatic? (false.)
Can you quote and link to a post of me saying "all women want families and only pick men who can provide for them" ?
The studies I quoted absolutely indicate causation. What do you think this sentence means :
"A meta-analysis of 51 twin and adoption studies was conducted to estimate the magnitude of genetic and environmental influences on antisocial behavior. "?
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-23-habits.2390972/post-27407615
The whole point of behavioural genetics is to determine to what degree behaviour is caused by environment and to what degree it is caused by genetics.
It's crazy that you can say something this blatantly, embarrassingly wrong like "the studies give zero indication of causation" then confidently insinuate that other people aren't familiar with academia.
You are tremendously ignorant about the science of human nature. More than that, you don't simply lack knowledge , you possess liberal leftoid anti-knowledge.

Seriously, why are you going back to insincerely denying that there is evidence that genes cause behaviour? You already admitted it a few posts ago. https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-26-karma.2413169/post-27602180 Are you losing track of what you've already said? Like Yumezora in this chapter?
And again, quote where I said anything in "black and white absolute " that is inaccurate about psychology or behavioural genetics.
Note, just to pre-empt the next wrong thing you might say : saying that genes cause behaviour is not the same thing as saying that only genes cause behaviour or genes exclusively cause behaviour.

Lots of claims about what I said , 0 quotes and links proving your claims. I guess you're hoping that people will just trust your unsubstantiated and false claims.

Please stop replying to me and "leave me here" like you said you were going to earlier. You're collapsing and the number of wrong things you say each post I have to dunk on you for is increasing each post.

 

[soda_bunny]

No idea what you mean by first person language and I don't see how it addresses my point. I'm accusing you of being the kind of person who indignantly calls other people ableist if they casually describe or refer to fussy or pedantic or argumentative behaviour as autistic yet here you are casually calling me autistic for the same thing. i.e. a hypocrite.

who did I call a complete lunatic? Someone who did not deserve it? (no.) Or are you saying that there does not exist a single person whom it would be accurate to call a complete lunatic? (false.)
Can you quote and link to a post of me saying "all women want families and only pick men who can provide for them" ?
The studies I quoted absolutely indicate causation. What do you think this sentence means :
"A meta-analysis of 51 twin and adoption studies was conducted to estimate the magnitude of genetic and environmental influences on antisocial behavior. "?
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-23-habits.2390972/post-27407615
The whole point of behavioural genetics is to determine to what degree behaviour is caused by environment and to what degree it is caused by genetics.
It's crazy that you can say something this blatantly, embarrassingly wrong like "the studies give zero indication of causation" then confidently insinuate that other people aren't familiar with academia.
You are tremendously ignorant about the science of human nature. More than that, you don't simply lack knowledge , you possess liberal leftoid anti-knowledge.

Seriously, why are you going back to insincerely denying that there is evidence that genes cause behaviour? You already admitted it a few posts ago. https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-26-karma.2413169/post-27602180 Are you losing track of what you've already said? Like Yumezora in this chapter?
And again, quote where I said anything in "black and white absolute " that is inaccurate about psychology or behavioural genetics.
Note, just to pre-empt the next wrong thing you might say : saying that genes cause behaviour is not the same thing as saying that only genes cause behaviour or genes exclusively cause behaviour.

Lots of claims about what I said , 0 quotes and links proving your claims. I guess you're hoping that people will just trust your unsubstantiated and false claims.

Please stop replying to me and "leave me here" like you said you were going to earlier. You're collapsing and the number of wrong things you say each post I have to dunk on you for is increasing each post.

Bro you are not beating the allegations. Clearly one of us is way more invested in this little comment section debate. If it means so much to you, you can throw yourself a party. I have actual work to do. I wish you the best.

 

[danbellucci]

Bro you are not beating the allegations. Clearly one of us is way more invested in this little comment section debate. If it means so much to you, you can throw yourself a party. I have actual work to do. I wish you the best.

lol you were invested enough to post 7 replies over the span of 7 hours but as soon as I ask you to provide actual proof of the things you claim I said, only then do you suddenly have work to do.
We can all tell that you aren't providing proof of what I said because if you linked to my posts , it would be clear that what I actually said was clearly different.

Also lol at how you have absolutely no response to you being proven wrong after claiming that the studies I posted did not indicate causation , even though the very part I quoted said ""A meta-analysis of 51 twin and adoption studies was conducted to estimate the magnitude of genetic and environmental influences on antisocial behavior. The best fitting model included moderate proportions of variance due to additive genetic influences (.32), nonadditive genetic influences (.09), shared environmental influences (.16), and nonshared environmental influences (.43).""
And in the same post going on to claim that I'm unfamiliar with academia lol

You must be addicted to taking Ls from me.

 

[riku_dola]

oh shut up people like you who just throw aside trying to be a better person by just blaming it on looks frustrate me. its one of the reasons for this whole lonely male epidemic. people prefer personality over looks, go out into the real world and not just online its insane. if you truly believe that then take a damn break from the internet.

It's always amusing to see people like you who believe that it's all about muhh personality and say go out touch grass , but it's actually the other way around. Do you know that the halo effect is a real thing? There are supermodels out there for a reason. There's a reason why girls have height standards like men have weight standards. SOCIETY IS SUPERFICIAL ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE. You need to talk to women irl instead of virtue signaling incels on the internet. There is a plethora of data out there on internet you might want to look at like this

 

[riku_dola]

How can someone "love" rape when they are the one who is a victim? She just likes con-noncon on herself. Most rape victims actually have this kink like its in actual psychological studies that proves this. Plus, pretty sure that stealing someone's pads is worse than cheating...... That's a crime itself.


honestly, its kinda showing that some of readers has the same mentality as ugly bastard......

You do realize that correlation is not causation right? Also, pretty sure recording someone in the bathroom without their consent is worse than masturbating to pads. That's a crime as well. Not gonna lie, this just shows that you have the same victim mentality as yumezora. You should not empathize with a criminal because of their past lol.

 

[EonNite]

Gomi... Run. This is baggage you can't carry. You've had your fun; now it's time to cut and run... Before something bad happens to you.

 

[pink_rabbit]

You do realize that correlation is not causation right? Also, pretty sure recording someone in the bathroom without their consent is worse than masturbating to pads. That's a crime as well. Not gonna lie, this just shows that you have the same victim mentality as yumezora. You should not empathize with a criminal because of their past lol.

uhhhh.... you can in Japan with providing the reasoning and in court. The fact you think so little on crimes with women is fucking sad. As well, fact you are dismissing about sexual assault is horrible. What if it was your mom or daughter? You can still feel sorry for someone without agreeing.

I hope you aren't women or girls if you have this type of mentality......

 

[BeatMeatMaster64]

Mc really did a "idgaf" to her face, causing her to seethe and cope 😬

 

[dsfargeg]

You do realize that correlation is not causation right? Also, pretty sure recording someone in the bathroom without their consent is worse than masturbating to pads. That's a crime as well. Not gonna lie, this just shows that you have the same victim mentality as yumezora. You should not empathize with a criminal because of their past lol.

This is a genuinely fantastic point that I hadn't even considered until now.

It's always amusing to see people like you who believe that it's all about personality and say go out touch grass muhhh, but it's actually the other way around. Do you know that the halo effect is a real thing? There are supermodels out there for a reason. There's a reason why girls have height standards like men have weight standards. SOCIETY IS SUPERFICIAL ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE. You need to talk to women irl instead of virtue signaling incels on the internet. There is a plethora of data out there on internet you might want to look at like this

While I would like to agree with you, the way hormones and exercise affect facial attractiveness is beyond what most people expect. Just look at what 6 years of working out and prison yard sunlight did to one of the incel posterboys:

Yes, that is the same guy. The halo effect is huge, but it's often the result of hard work or the right environment. Presentation and how you act can compensate for other deficiencies, and even those deficiencies can be mitigated.

And again, quote where I said anything in "black and white absolute " that is inaccurate about psychology or behavioural genetics.
Note, just to pre-empt the next wrong thing you might say : saying that genes cause behaviour is not the same thing as saying that only genes cause behaviour or genes exclusively cause behaviour.

While you don't explicitly say things are black and white, you're definitely at times overly reductionist when you say things like facial attractiveness are determined solely or even predominantly by genetics instead of environment. Genetics are the cap of someone's potential; they aren't deterministic on how they turn out. This isn't denying that genetics affect innate tendencies which strongly control behavior, but you often come across as though you treat them as the One True Explanation when reality is often very messy and frustratingly ambiguous. The centerpoint of the bell curve exists and applies to most people, but it doesn't account for everyone.

 

[danbellucci]

you're definitely at times overly reductionist when you say things like facial attractiveness are determined solely or even predominantly by genetics instead of environment.

could you link to where I said that? I don't recall saying it. As it happens facial attractiveness is predominantly caused by genetics , in the sense that when you look at individual differences in attractiveness across a population like america, most of the variation in those differences in attractiveness can be accounted for by genes which is to say that facial attractiveness is highly heritable. We know this because facial structure itself is mainly caused by genes hence why monozygotic twins look the same.
You can point out that environment can sometimes have a dramatic effect e.g. if someone suffers a pitbull attack or they're forced to breathe exclusively through their mouth they'll end up more ugly , but these dramatic random interventions do not account for very much of the variance in differences in individual attractiveness.
Most of the differences in attractiveness within a general social environment like America are due to whether people have good genes for attractiveness .

Genetics are the cap of someone's potential; they aren't deterministic on how they turn out

I agree and I've said so previously

genetics affect innate tendencies which strongly control behavior, but you often come across as though you treat them as the One True Explanation

Whenever I bring up behavioural genetics I say basically what you're saying here so I don't see how I treat genetics as " the one true explanation"anymore than you
"The centerpoint of the bell curve exists and applies to most people, but it doesn't account for everyone."
Whenever I talk about behavioural genetics I talk in terms of probability and averages so the fact that exceptions, outliers and minority cases exists is implied by my statements, and I also explicitly acknowledge this as well
e.g. https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-23-habits.2390972/post-27402362 or https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/ori-no-naka-ch-23-habits.2390972/post-27407615

 

[henman]

Welp, Yoshihara was up to no good in the end. What a whatever.
And Hoshizora has another seizure. P.12 is impressive, but in reality no one can open pills so fast
And more of her traumatic childhood...myeah. The only thing I'm kinda pitiful about is...she's so beautiful

 

[dsfargeg]

could you link to where I said that? I don't recall saying it.

Sure, right here:

BTW women who have been molested since 5 years old and beaten and neglected by their parents almost never end up as pretty as Yumezora.

Having the genes to end up as pretty as Yumezora is rare to begin with , but having all that happen to you as a kid makes it much harder to reach the full beauty potential of your genes (and people from that socioeconomic group are likely to have worse beauty genes anyway, since women with good beauty genes are much mor likely to marry up and leave that lower class group). Much more likely to get into drugs or heavy drinking and smoking which all make you age much faster and look haggard. Who knows the mechanism (maybe lots of cortisol?) but women with that kind of low class, violent upbringing simply have a certain lower-class, haggard look about them

N.B.: While what you are saying is not literally black-and-white nor incorrect, using phrases like "almost never" creates the impression of black and white thinking by the time someone's finished reading it and the words are simplified into the meaning stored in short-term memory. In terms of logic, you are technically not wrong. In terms of communication, your word choice communicates a message different from your literal word choice and likely different from your intention.

Similarly, your insistence that facial attractiveness is controlled so strongly by genetics that it takes a pitbull attack to change it goes completely against the visual example I posted above. Anyone with eyes would see a massive difference in facial attractiveness between the before-and-after, and it's entirely due to environment and not genes because it's the same guy. His bone structure hasn't changed, but if you asked people to rate his face you would get wildly different scores before and after. THAT is treating genetics as "the one true explanation."

 

[Dadpls]

First panel on page 5 right after the long self-pity rant had me laugh for a solid 5 min.

Then this got real dark..

 

[riku_dola]

uhhhh.... you can in Japan with providing the reasoning and in court. The fact you think so little on crimes with women is fucking sad. As well, fact you are dismissing about sexual assault is horrible. What if it was your mom or daughter? You can still feel sorry for someone without agreeing.

I hope you aren't women or girls if you have this type of mentality......

What sexual assault are you talking about here? Can you please elaborate? I hope you're not equating masturbation to sexual assault because that would be so uneducated and dumb and disrespectful to woman who have actually experienced sexual assault. Say for example your brother masturbates to a girl he likes, does that make him a sexual offender as well? What if someone records your father butt naked in the bathroom? How would you feel? I hope you aren't a guy or a man if you have this sort of mentality. Have a great day ahead

 

[EchoGirl]

Gomi, bro, you can't fix her. She needs a fucking exorcist.

Or a chastity belt 8D /shot


thanks for the chapter...MC technically has made art but i wonder if she ever chased after the mangaka of the books she's read

It won't change the fact that victims from sexual assault have rape kinks to heal their trauma.



Did you just say that used period pads at the WORKPLACE and was used by a COWORKER isn't a crime? It is sexual harassment. Dude, he took the pad from the bathroom.

Can you imagine tho, having an acquaintance in that field like "Hey Aunt lily, you're a law consultant right, do you mind if i ask you a creepy question about this fictional chara and if it would be something actionable if someone did this in real life" (Which i mean i'd hope so but even if they didn't go all the way to a court room i'd hope most bosses would fire someone like that on the spot)

Tough read. I would be mentally exhausted if I was Gomi.

I mean, we DID see him balding/hairline receding...