Ori no Naka - Ch. 36 - All My Love

[Loner210]

Japanese authors keep coming up with worse after worse endings. And I keep wasting time for them lol.

 

[ZeroBADartS]

and this is why you make sure to put fuck heads like that down for good, double tap

 

[ZeroBADartS]

honestly pisses me off, cant even get revenge, the faggot killed himself

 

[Vinvader503]

i rate this 6/10, +2 because the story is completed lule

 

[Yotomoe]

*article full of links to scientific sources demonstrating people value fertility
"hmm very persuasive. "
*article full of links to scientific sources demonstrating people value fertility written by AI
"That's retarded! where's the proof!? scientific sources linking to peer reviewed research doesn't count as proof or evidence if an AI was the one who gathered those sources and links"

https://chatgpt.com/share/6965998f-07c8-8012-9a29-420a8d160605
well done making up a retarded excuse not to look at scientific evidence from peer reviewed sources, you ignorant spastic.
You really have to be an ignorant, know-nothing failure to go beyond you

Yes. AI is unreliable because it doesn't know how to curate. There's tons of misinformation on the internet and AI is notoriously bad at weighing those sources or using common sense. With the sheer bredth of knowledge online I can't really imagine any reason to use AI other than laziness. If those papers exist with AI then they exist independently of it too.

 

[DeathkaiserG]

Looks like those type of manga where the "author" is the "main character"... So overall if the manga he will submit is Ori no Naka...

Forget someone will remember it. It will be as forgettable as the rest of your life will be.

Sorry it was just so abrubt. My bad for expecting something more.

 

[Yotomoe]

and what's the reason that people find members of the opposite sex at the age where they just so happen to be fertile more attractive than members of the opposite sex that are too old or too young to be fertile? Because we evolved to be more attracted to human beings that are fertile or show signs that they are fertile than human beings that are not fertile because you can only reproduce with fertile human beings so being more attracted to fertile human beings than infertile human beings is a successful evolutionary strategy and so genes causing that behaviour spread through the population.

If you really think the way I asked the question caused the AI answer to be completely different from reality you could rewrite the prompt as something like :
"what are the strongest pieces of statistical evidence and proxy indicators that answer the question of whether on average people are indifferent over whether a partner or potential partner is infertile or fertile , and if on average there is a preference which way is it (other things being equal)? provide and link to sources"
the answer is basically exactly the same
Here: https://chatgpt.com/share/6965998f-07c8-8012-9a29-420a8d160605

the two things you bring up in the your second paragraph are easily explained and neutralised and do not outweigh the much stronger evidence summarised by LLMs.
it's unsurprising and insignificant that cultures do not have norms or traditions of checking for infertility before marriage because it's usually impossible to check for infertility before marriage unless that person has an obvious injury or a trackrecord of having and failing to have children.
However it's not unusual in the modern day all over the world when it is known that a person is infertile (e.g. from a known injury or disease requiring removal of reproductive organs) for that person to report greatly reduced success on the marriage market. This is called infertility stigma and is well documented.
And yes having given birth before is the best way to guarantee someone is not infertile, however if someone has already given birth that has downsides because:
-it means their time and energy as a mother will be divided between looking after another man's kid or kids and looking after your kids and so they might want to have less kids with you than if you chose a similar woman who had no prior kids
-it means they're a non-virgin which increases the chance they might cheat on you which increases the chance that you could be genetically cuckolded and raise another man's kids that you believe to be your own ( this is true, look it up)
-it means you'll likely have to provide resources raising another man's child instead of using all your resources to maximise the chances of your own children's success
So these things all make it rational for a man who values fertility not to consider single motherhood to be unqualified, wholly attractive thing in a potential mate, so the fact that men don't consider single motherhood to be wholly desirable is totally consistent with the idea that men and people in general value fertility in partners and potential partners.

I think the issue is youre conflating evolutionary attraction with a universal drive to make children. As time goes on many people choose to find love even with no hope of making babies. Even two fertile people in their prime often opt to not have children due to either a distaste for raising children or an inability to care for them. That said a lot of traits that show a partner has lots of testosterone or estrogen are generally seen as more attractive. That much I'll agree with. But also that not being able to have babies is hardly a deal breaker. Theres shit like adoption or donating sperm and surrogate pregnancies even in the worst cases.

 

[danbellucci]

Yes. AI is unreliable because it doesn't know how to curate. There's tons of misinformation on the internet and AI is notoriously bad at weighing those sources or using common sense. With the sheer bredth of knowledge online I can't really imagine any reason to use AI other than laziness. If those papers exist with AI then they exist independently of it too.

yes, I'm lazy. And? How is that a valid excuse for you to ignore and deny the links to scientific sources proving the very obvious fact that humans value fertility?
A fact is true regardless of who states that fact, and the strength of a piece of scientific evidence is the same regardless of who gathers the link to that scientific evidence.
Just admit that you were wrong and humans value fertility.

I think the issue is youre conflating evolutionary attraction with a universal drive to make children. As time goes on many people choose to find love even with no hope of making babies. Even two fertile people in their prime often opt to not have children due to either a distaste for raising children or an inability to care for them. That said a lot of traits that show a partner has lots of testosterone or estrogen are generally seen as more attractive. That much I'll agree with. But also that not being able to have babies is hardly a deal breaker. Theres shit like adoption or donating sperm and surrogate pregnancies even in the worst cases.

I never said "universal". You inserted that in there because you know that most humans value fertility because we evolved that way. Nothing you bring up in the rest of your post refutes this. Only a very small fraction of people adopt or use donated sperm because they obviously evolved to prefer their own sperm for the same reason they evolved to value fertility in a partner, and similarly only a minority choose not to have children , again because people evolved to have a drive to reproduce.
So I was right, the vast majority of humans value fertility, you can't refute anything in https://chatgpt.com/share/6965998f-07c8-8012-9a29-420a8d160605 , you're ignorant and delusional about basic human nature. I completely won and you completely lost. Keep coping about human biology.

 

[RoronoaDSanji]

I will never read the mangas that seems like to have sad endings never they just heartbreak me

 

[Yotomoe]

yes, I'm lazy. And? How is that a valid excuse for you to ignore and deny the links to scientific sources proving the very obvious fact that humans value fertility?
A fact is true regardless of who states that fact, and the strength of a piece of scientific evidence is the same regardless of who gathers the link to that scientific evidence.
Just admit that you were wrong and humans value fertility.

I never said "universal". You inserted that in there because you know that most humans value fertility because we evolved that way. Nothing you bring up in the rest of your post refutes this. Only a very small fraction of people adopt or use donated sperm because they obviously evolved to prefer their own sperm for the same reason they evolved to value fertility in a partner, and similarly only a minority choose not to have children , again because people evolved to have a drive to reproduce.
So I was right, the vast majority of humans value fertility, you can't refute anything in https://chatgpt.com/share/6965998f-07c8-8012-9a29-420a8d160605 , you're ignorant and delusional about basic human nature. I completely won and you completely lost. Keep coping about human biology.

only a minority choose not to have children

Birthrates have been declining pretty steadily over time. If anything one could argue in the past most people didn't have the choice NOT to have children with lacks of contraception, access to abortion or not having the right to refuse. Also it ignores the sizeable population of people not attracted to the opposite sex who obviously can't reproduce naturally. The desire to actually make a child is at an all time low especially as the means to support a child becomes more difficult. Not everything is just about baby making. Its such a weird thing to hone in on as being the sole reason why someone wouldnt wanna fuck an old guy.

 

[hypoprepia]

i dont know what the fuck is going on in this comment section, what are you fools arguing about

 

[AcidVlad]

What an ending huh.

 

[kyuchenn]

Broda, who tf wrote this??💀 how tf does mfer abuser husband recover after that in few days, and find their location and travel to them in that short amount of time?

the story had so much potential, but mf author had to ruin it by trying look like shakespear or sum.

a girl lives brutal life and dies brutally without finding an ounce of peace ≠ psychological or insightful story, this is basically woman and man live suffering life and magical bullsh#t happens and boom haha the girl is dead and oh haha the girl he tries to save and make happy dies and he doesn't have will to live and only living to make a manga for people to see, which is just absolutely garbage ending.

i wasted my time even giving it a chance because it had a interesting beginning which turned out to be dogsh#t.

 

[story645]

If those papers exist with AI then they exist independently of it too.

Looked up the research on cheating and premarital sex & all the sources are basically "correlation!= causation", "we do not know why" and that it applies to both genders, so it's net neutral (most folks are best off seeking folks w/ similar experience). Which that's the case on most of those points - it's a net neutral once you account for women having options too.

Which that's my annoyance w/ the whole screed really. The discussion is about a hypothetical wife for a 38 y/o ex-con mangaka.

 

[danbellucci]

Birthrates have been declining pretty steadily over time. If anything one could argue in the past most people didn't have the choice NOT to have children with lacks of contraception, access to abortion or not having the right to refuse. Also it ignores the sizeable population of people not attracted to the opposite sex who obviously can't reproduce naturally. The desire to actually make a child is at an all time low especially as the means to support a child becomes more difficult. Not everything is just about baby making. Its such a weird thing to hone in on as being the sole reason why someone wouldnt wanna fuck an old guy.

You quote me saying "only a minority choose not to have children" and write a paragraph in response but literally nothing you wrote refutes the fact that only a minority choose not to have children.
You blather about all sorts of things that are irrelevant to the truth value of the claim instead of addressing the claim directly. Do only a minority of people choose not to have children ? It should be easy for you to just google the claim and see whether it's true.
if you did then you'd find for example by the time women are 44 years old, 86% of them are mothers:
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...re-likely-to-have-children-than-a-decade-ago/ ,
So yes the thing you decided to respond to is true, nothing you said refutes it.

"Not everything is just about baby making. Its such a weird thing to hone in on as being the sole reason why someone wouldnt wanna fuck an old guy."
I never said that people wouldn't want to F an old guy, which just shows that as well as being totally ignorant of basic human nature, you're also not able to keep track of an argument.

 

[KatzenoYuri]

I don't understand the ending, lol. ok

 

[danbellucci]

Looked up the research on cheating and premarital sex & all the sources are basically "correlation!= causation", "we do not know why" and that it applies to both genders, so it's net neutral (most folks are best off seeking folks w/ similar experience). Which that's the case on most of those points - it's a net neutral once you account for women having options too.

Which that's my annoyance w/ the whole screed really. The discussion is about a hypothetical wife for a 38 y/o ex-con mangaka.

Why would the fact that the causal relationship between premarital promiscuity and cheating has never been experimentally tested mean that premarital promiscuity is "net neutral" ???? That's a total non-sequitur.

From the perspective of a man who simply does not want increased risk of being cheated on by his future wife , it does not matter if I do not know whether for example having premarital sex causes people to become more likely to cheat in marriage or whether both premarital sex and cheating in marriage are caused by some other third factor , all I care about is that if there's an increased risk of cheating then other things being equal I have good reason to want to avoid that risk.

Or to put it more simply, it's rational not to want to take the risk. For example, back in 1950 , people did not know for sure whether smoking caused cancer, or whether both the behaviour of smoking and cancer were caused by something else. But still back then it was rational to avoid smoking because UNLESS someone proves that smoking and cancer are both caused by something else such that smoking does not cause cancer, why take a risk when you know that smokers are much more likely to get cancer than non-smokers?
if you were alive in 1950 would you say " correlation doesn't equal causation and we don't know why smokers are more likely to get cancer, so it's net neutral" ? Would that be sensible ? why would unnecessarily taking the risk of smoking causing cancer be net-neutral?

 

[eyck]

And it's done. I really appreciate the author of this manga, it's a masterpiece for me. All kinds of emotions got me hooked in this manga. The end was really sad but for me it's a good end to end this. There's really no good ending in life 🫥

 

[d33pbluez]

I don't understand the ending, lol. ok

The MC went to jail when MF got murder. Came out of jail try to suicide since he no longer have what he wanted but last minute chicken out then finally decided he plan to write novel story on relationship to keep memories of her to be remembered

 

[EonNite]

I read this on a whim and enjoyed the ride. Glad it's over, but maaaaaan.