Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[karimsss]

I told myself I wasn't going to speak in here

But if y'all don't behave I will be locking the thread
This is the last warning

blud is shaking writing this shit

 

[jak]

A piracy site wanting to follow the law? You can try all you want, you are never going to be Crunchyroll.

 

[BestBoy]

ThePirateBay don't get sued

Maybe you're too young to remember, but TPB was taken to court and it's operators jailed and fined.

 

[Archhaven]

Upon uploading content, the user confirms to us that they are authorized by the copyright owner to upload the material, so there is some additional nuance regarding one user or point in time versus another.

There is absolutely no way y'all are naive enough to think that's actually true. That is and has always been a checkbox people click when they upload their scans.

You run a pirate site. Your legal team has much bigger problems to worry about than puritanical pearl-clutching bullshit.

 

[hibikiyamada]

Upon uploading content, the user confirms to us that they are authorized by the copyright owner to upload the material, so there is some additional nuance regaring one user or point in time versus another. The issues with the loli content is more intrinsically related to the material itself, so you can expect it to be enforced more strictly to some degree.

The titles were wiped because it was the safest and fastest action to take at the time. We want to have the title pages available, though some of them have covers that might require editing beforehand.


Our legal department told us to take action and we took it. That is the extent of what I can or want to say regarding that.

What an absolute joke of a response. Genuinely laughable that you typed all of this out, especially the first paragraph. At this point the only reason why I think you can't tell us what made your legal team respond in this way is because you KNOW it makes you all look bad. Other platforms have been able to tell us when the governments of certain countries have pressured them, so it can't be because of that.

If all it takes to justify the removal of content is just a mean letter that doesn't even have any sort of governmental authority attached to it then more content will absolutely be hit in the future.

It's nice to know that your policy has nothing to do with it, but I honestly would've preferred you to say it was due to some personal conviction that caused the sudden enforcement of the policy mentioned earlier. At least then you all wouldn't have been shown to be spineless cowards.

 

[Eliminateur]

jesus, what is this STUPIDITY, wow... just wow... i have no words, i'm going to start actively looking elsewhere deleting the entire "thing" including metadata, listing and everything is beyond daft, it's borderline criminal.

and they have the GALL to ask for support and not block ads?, really?, you're a joke

 

[Mazaky]

Maybe you're too young to remember, but TPB was taken to court and it's operators jailed and fined.

I think he is talking about how TPB operates right now, which is decentralized with multiple servers and has little to no moderation, which made it actually become unsafe. But at the same time there are dozens of alternatives that use loopholes and breaches to host files as TPB did back in the day safely and with moderation to some extent, the main issue of many of those hosting websites is when the operators try to be well know with the public, which makes them easier to find, be fined and possible jailed.

 

[urzu_se7en]

We made this site after batoto went down, we can make another one after this goes down the drain. Never forget where you came from.

 

[Luzmoth]

The conclusion I'm getting from all of this is, as said above, newer (and possibly better) sites will always appear, and everyone should start torrenting.

MangaDex is done for. Glad to see people enjoying the shipwreck, though.

 

[pik3rob]

From what the mods have been saying in this thread, it seems the legal team is telling them that specific series have to be canned or else there'll be legal repercussions, and they're responding to that. Manga piracy naturally isn't legal in itself, but there's a difference between doing something illegal and being in trouble for doing something illegal. In the latter case there's more of a need to respond to it. It's similar to say if you're speeding down a highway, you're breaking the law, but if you see a police car coming up, you'll slow down to avoid getting in trouble. They're following the law more closely due to eyes being on them for certain material, and they'll remove that material due to that. It's similar to Mangadex having to respond to DMCA takedowns for certain series. Just because they're a Manga piracy site doesn't mean they're going to blindly poke the hornet's nest every time they get in trouble. Sucks that this is happening, but it's kind of the inevitable outcome when a piracy site gets enough traffic.

 

[Archhaven]

From what the mods have been saying in this thread, it seems the legal team is telling them that specific series have to be canned or else there'll be legal repercussions, and they're responding to that. Manga piracy naturally isn't legal in itself, but there's a difference between doing something illegal and being in trouble for doing something illegal. In the latter case there's more of a need to respond to it. It's similar to say if you're speeding down a highway, you're breaking the law, but if you see a police car coming up, you'll slow down to avoid getting in trouble. They're following the law more closely due to eyes being on them for certain material, and they'll remove that material due to that. It's similar to Mangadex having to respond to DMCA takedowns for certain series. Just because they're a Manga piracy site doesn't mean they're going to blindly poke the hornet's nest every time they get in trouble. Sucks that this is happening, but it's kind of the inevitable outcome when a piracy site gets enough traffic.

Taking the mods at their word is a sucker's game. They've not exactly proven themselves to be trustworthy here.

 

[pik3rob]

Taking the mods at their word is a sucker's game. They've not exactly proven themselves to be trustworthy here.

Then nothing they say will ever change your mind, so conversation at that point is pointless. Seems the only thing people are looking for in that instance is for them to grovel for forgiveness. You could say that they could also reverse the changes, but they can't really do that if their explanations are trustworthy, so then things stalemate.

 

[CarnackKetral]

I have read through 54 pages of this forum. Not how I planned on spending my holiday off from work.

At this time, everything that can be said, has. What happens next will be wholly dependent on MangaDEX's choice. The community has stated their desired outcome and it is clear little else will be accepted.

Regardless, it will do little to stem the hemorrhaging that has flowed from this debacle, but one can always hope for a resuscitation. It is safe to say that the majority of people aware of the transgressions will only proliferate from here on. The future actions of the site will be subject to even more scrutiny than before.

I will give props to Bartolumiu for trying to maintain some decorum. It is no small feat to quell an angry mob.

I will say, that due to the many recent events around the subject matter(lolisho content), people are rightfully stigmatized over any action taken against said content. It is the single most affected demographic from moral busy bodies trying to get their moral superiority over.

 

[Nekomizus]

Then nothing they say will ever change your mind, so conversation at that point is pointless. Seems the only thing people are looking for in that instance is for them to grovel for forgiveness. You could say that they could also reverse the changes, but they can't really do that if their explanations are trustworthy, so then things stalemate.

Actions speak louder than words, as they say. If Gelbooru can allow lolis I don't see why mangadex cannot.

 

[panzerkampfwagyu]

From what the mods have been saying in this thread, it seems the legal team is telling them that specific series have to be canned or else there'll be legal repercussions, and they're responding to that. Manga piracy naturally isn't legal in itself, but there's a difference between doing something illegal and being in trouble for doing something illegal. In the latter case there's more of a need to respond to it. It's similar to say if you're speeding down a highway, you're breaking the law, but if you see a police car coming up, you'll slow down to avoid getting in trouble. They're following the law more closely due to eyes being on them for certain material, and they'll remove that material due to that. It's similar to Mangadex having to respond to DMCA takedowns for certain series. Just because they're a Manga piracy site doesn't mean they're going to blindly poke the hornet's nest every time they get in trouble. Sucks that this is happening, but it's kind of the inevitable outcome when a piracy site gets enough traffic.

Also note that they look into restoring the deleted series as at least data, but currently have to hide them because of a Unidentified Tyrant abusing the law, who is the true enemy in this scenario.

With that, I don't think there is much purpose with this thread anymore.
They are silent because there is legal trouble afoot and being a blabbermouth during that is a very stupid thing.

All that a user can do, if they actually care, is to think about constructive ways to help secure the site in the future.

 

[pik3rob]

Actions speak louder than words, as they say. If Gelbooru can allow lolis I don't see why mangadex cannot.

Depends where the servers are located. Different countries, different laws.

 

[Nekomizus]

Depends where the servers are located. Different countries, different laws.

If they were in a jurisdiction where lolis were illegal, it makes no sense that it is only now becoming an issue while there has been a tag dedicated to it up to this point.

 

[TGN]

This truly was... a war without reason

 

[BestBoy]

the hemorrhaging

Hemorrhaging of what, though?

Trust?
Users?

 

[SiegFire]

A piracy site wanting to follow the law? You can try all you want, you are never going to be Crunchyroll.

They’re going to be worse considering they never learned that the window to become huge like Crunchyroll/Fakku has long since passed. We already have several official manga distribution sites & if they’re just going to promote the most popular, MD won’t make it far.