Kuse Tsuyo Kanojo wa Toko ni Izanau - Vol. 4 Ch. 20.6

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Was it a rom-com in your eyes?
Don't leave out the part that matters. It's an "NTR rom-com". The manga itself warns you about that right from the start. Nothing to do Grapara with this manga.

It was a terrible attempt by KA to mix two completely opposite genres. Obviously, it turned out like shit, so, answering your question, it ended up being neither a rom-com nor NTR.
 
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Don't leave out the part that matters. It's an "NTR rom-com". The manga itself warns you about that right from the start. Nothing to do Grapara with this manga.

It was a terrible attempt by KA to mix two completely opposite genres. Obviously, it turned out like shit, so, answering your question, it ended up being neither a rom-com nor NTR.

It's basically an apples and oranges comparison. Well, except one of them looked like shit, smelled like shit and tasted like shit from the get go.
 
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I was only ever reading grapara in passing every now and then, but I could tell nothing good was ever going to come from that series. It really doesn't surprise me that Katsura is someone who would pull that kind of crap with a published series and expecting to not get a bad reaction from it.

If you're going to write some ntr trash, just write a doujin, don't get people invested into a story and then shit all over you MC after getting your audience cheering for them to "win" (this goes for Suga as well).


I honestly can't see this ending in any satisfying way if that actually happens, and that would also be pretty disappointing, especially since we still have no confirmation on who the third girl in the photo is.

I'm not sure how this one is doing on ratings right now, but all I've seen is some people getting frustrated with the pacing and nothing that looks like it's going to end up on the chopping block (that could change really quick depending on how the next chapter goes). I'm not sure if any of his other series got cancelled or not, but I do remember seeing something in the one series about how he seemed to have had to wrap it up quicker than he wanted to, but was somewhat satisfied with how he ended it.

I'm still going to be dipping out on this one for a while, unless I hear about something positive happening, as I'm just tired of the bait and I only came back to this one because I was confused when some asshole decided to get the "Mature" and "Sexual Violence" tag added to this series.



Kind of shows how writing ntr is just poison that fucks your creativity.



Suga pretty much just deals in weird, but not overly disgusting fetishes, so I'm still holding on to hope that he doesn't go down the dark path, as I'd also lose a lot of respect for them if they do.

I'm almost kind of hoping that this series is just Suga trolling the ntr lovers and baiting them into reading something that gets a happy ending and frustrates them.

I guess I'll drop these here if anyone is looking for something with similar themes, just less ntr bait.

Otonari no Oneesan ni Arekore sareru - DO NOT read the last chapter in public.

Itoko no Onee-chan ni Amaechau? - Probably not safe for public consumption for some chapters.

Ane no Tomodachi - This one is safe.
A man of culture. There is another manga reminiscent of Itoko no Oneechan, but with the drama dialed up fivefold: Ai no Senbiki. It’s about a high school student who grew up without a mother and is starved for maternal affection. He signs up for a "sugar mommy" app (lying about his age) and contacts a woman, naively thinking it’s just an app for meeting mothers. They meet at her place, eat, and chat just like a normal mother and son would. Afterwards, she starts undressing him, but he explains that he was only looking for the maternal attention he never had; she hugs and comforts him on the sofa—and up to that point, it seems like a tender scene—but then the protagonist dozes off for a moment and, magically, wakes up in bed with her on top of him. He doesn't remember what happened next. Days go by, and his school finds out about his encounter with the MILF; he gets suspended, so he never sees her again. One day, his dad tells him he’s getting remarried and introduces him to his new mom... guess who it is? What follows is a massive wave of manipulation on her part.
 
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Knowing Japanese culture, any other explanation than sex for Luna meeting a random guy from a dating app in a HOTEL ROOM to get rid of The Urge™ will be ridiculously far-fetched.

You don't need to go to Japan for that. It would be ridiculously far-fetched anywhere in the word.

"Oh, I dressed up, met some guy I met through dating apps and we went to a hotel because I had the urge to play Magic the Gathering. I swear, honey!"

But this is a romcom that doesn't take itself too seriously up to this point. The mangaka went out of his way to hide any confirmation of Luna having a currently active sex life and for what. A wham chapter where he shows all the undisclosed panels showing Luna fucking left and right? What would be the point of that? To move from RomCom to Psychological Drama?

If that's the end game, then this would be a bait and switch that would make even Katsura Airi go "bruh..."
 
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Nah, that still pales in comparison to the greatest bait and switcher of all time. Seo 'Fuuckaing' Koji.
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I still fucking hate that guy for the "plot twist" in Fuuka.

I still remember him getting mocked relentlessly on the English side and on a bunch of Japanese SNS with things along the lines of "He really needs to stop drawing story boards while he's drunk".
 
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If you're going to write some ntr trash, just write a doujin, don't get people invested into a story and then shit all over you MC after getting your audience cheering for them to "win" (this goes for Suga as well).
I think you nailed it with this. 💯

There’s nothing that pisses me off more than NTR in mainstream manga, especially when the author does it in a rom-com.
 
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Random sleep deprived thought (woke up at 3am this morning and couldn't get back to sleep).

Wouldn't it be funny if this is the point where this goes back into the theory that there might some non-human / supernatural stuff going on with our characters?

This is going to get stupid, so bear with me.

What if Luna is something like a vampire? You generally see the stereotype that vampires are sexual in nature and will use that to lure people in to feed off them. (we're going to ignore the can't be in sunlight, and no reflection stuff)

So what if what she was doing was just going out for a late night "snack" before she turned that desire on Naoto instead and whoever she met up with got "drained" in a completely different way than they thought they were going to be and then at the end, Naoto just accidentally volunteered to be Lunas blood bag.

The comment from Hiba about Naotos teeth still comes to mind, and if they're actually cousins, they could share that "family trait", meaning that Naoto is something similar to Luna.

With all of that nonsense that I just typed out, what if that bite mark on his neck isn't actually from Kawashina, but from Luna when they were younger and she lost control and laid the chomp down on him in the same spot and nearly drained him dry, scaring the shit out of child Naoto and horrifying Luna for what she did to him. After this happened, someone found an unconscious Naoto with a bite mark on his neck and called the police and that was the last time Luna went to their home town and Naoto conveniently forgot what happened due to shock.
 
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Random sleep deprived thought (woke up at 3am this morning and couldn't get back to sleep).

Wouldn't it be funny if this is the point where this goes back into the theory that there might some non-human / supernatural stuff going on with our characters?

This is going to get stupid, so bear with me.

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The comment from Hiba about Naotos teeth still comes to mind, and if they're actually cousins, they could share that "family trait", meaning that Naoto is something similar to Luna.
I can't support the Vampire!Luna theory as there's no real hint towards that other than Naoto's sharp canines, but we got some evidence to back up the non-human/supernatural characters theory, both in-story and meta.
  • Since Chapter 1 - Luna's DIAMOND SHAPED eye pupils - SHARP. DIAMOND. SHAPED. PUPILS. They can contract and expand, and Luna had them since the flashbacks, making them HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be Cat's Eye Syndrome, or contact lenses.
  • Since Chapter 5 - Kawashina's SHARK TEETH in full details - She's had them since the flashbacks, they're a true feature of hers as noted by Hiba in Chapter 17.1 in a flashback from their trip to the beach during Chapters 13~14, and she used them to draw blood when she bit Naoto in the flashback in Chapter 8.
  • Since Chapter 6 - Hiba's SNAKE EYES - She consistently had them since the flashbacks and are still consistent in the present, they too can contract and expand as seen in Chapter 18.2 when getting punished by Luna, and after Luna's done with her, the thin slits seen are her natural resting eyes.
  • Since Chapter 6 - Naoto's UNUSUALLY SHARP CANINES - Hiba notes that his canines "haven't changed since Naoto was little", and him just accidentally biting down was enough to draw blood.
  • Meta - Suga Atsushi's Isekai title - A majority of the non-human characters don't share the more round pupils that human characters have. - Human characters are consistently drawn to have rounder pupils in ALL of Suga-sensei's works.
  • Meta - Volume 4's exclusive bonus chapter (Chapter 20.5) - In the alternate world bonus chapter, Luna is depicted as a nun, making her SISTER LUNA, get it? Naoto delivers her medicine at her request. Why she needed a small crate-full of it despite being the ONLY PERSON IN THE VILLAGE CHURCH, we'll never know. She tells him not to visit her for a while, but when he did, Luna jumped him and it turned out that her being a nun, SISTER LUNA, is just a facade and that she, JUST LUNA, is a literal SUCCUBUS. - This could potentially be the author throwing the readers a huge hint on what the main story is actually about, with none of us readers the wiser, thinking this is just a bonus chapter with no real meaning whatsoever to the main story. Interpret the bonus chapter as you will.

On a side note, Chapter 17.2 page 18, the childhood photo retcons the very same photo from chapter 1, and it heavily nerfed the breast size of the "third girl" to match Hiba's own (Chapter 17.1 for comparison)... I don't know what else to say, but she's meant to be Hiba. We got all the important characters already.

I myself am currently leaning on the theory of Luna having a dependency on Naoto, or more specifically, Naoto as "Her younger relative whom she treated as her real younger brother that played with her in the countryside up until 10 years prior to the beginning of the story". The evidence towards this theory just kept stacking up.
  • From Luna growing up alone and suffering from loneliness and depression (Chapter 12, Chapter 22, Chapter 24.1).
  • To her playing with her "younger brother Nao-kun" claiming it was "the happiest time of her life" (Chapter 12), with Naoto becoming a Living Emotional Crutch for her.
  • Her not wanting to be separated from him (Chapter 4.5, Chapter 9, Chapter 25.2), further supporting the theory with Naoto being a Living Emotional Crutch for her, he is the only person that can make her truly feel happy.
  • Her reactions towards others should any harm befall Naoto. (Chapter 8, Chapter 24.1)
  • Her still seeing the shadow of the younger "Nao-kun"(Chapter 19.2), despite all the "progress" the two had at that point.
  • And her tendency of wanting to play with Naoto the games they played in their childhood, a call back to the "happiest time of her life", where she played and had fun with "Nao-kun" (Chapter 9, Chapter 14, any chapters where she mentions wanting to hang out and spend some fun times WITH HIM SPECIFICALLY really, Hiba even had to point this out to Naoto by giving him a hint in Chapter 14 when Naoto thinks that he is not needed for Luna to enjoy herself).
 
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I can't support the Vampire!Luna theory as there's no real hint towards that other than Naoto's sharp canines, but we got some evidence to back up the non-human/supernatural characters theory, both in-story and meta.

I just kind of threw "Vampire" out as a kind of blanket idea because some things about her made me make some loose connections. These are just things like her name, the fact that she seems to be mostly active at night (no I'm not talking about that) / seems to have a hard time waking up in the morning, the change in her hair colour (that may or may not be natural), attracts men to her seemingly without trying and her pupils.

If anything, Naoto really fits the Vampire aesthetic more than Luna does as he's tall (by Japanese standards), handsome, attracts women to him almost similarly to Luna does men and the teeth. We can't comment on his eyes, as we've yet to see them in their full shape yet.

  • Since Chapter 1 - Luna's DIAMOND SHAPED eye pupils - SHARP. DIAMOND. SHAPED. PUPILS. They can contract and expand, and Luna had them since the flashbacks, making them HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be Cat's Eye Syndrome, or contact lenses.

The eye shape is also something that is exclusive to predators (mostly night time) in nature as well. I think the closest thing to having that shape of pupils is the Fox.

  • Since Chapter 5 - Kawashina's SHARK TEETH in full details - She's had them since the flashbacks, they're a true feature of hers as noted by Hiba in Chapter 17.1 in a flashback from their trip to the beach during Chapters 13~14, and she used them to draw blood when she bit Naoto in the flashback in Chapter 8.

There's also the part where she admitted that she's being dying her hair the entire time and the Blonde / light hair is her natural hair colour, which is something that is extremely uncommon (but not impossible) for a Japanese person, or most Asians.

Yes, with Hibas comment about the teeth, we now know that those are not some "artistic effect" and are in fact what her teeth actually look like.

Just going to point out that WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT HER FIRST FUCKING NAME IS.

  • Since Chapter 6 - Hiba's SNAKE EYES - She consistently had them since the flashbacks and are still consistent in the present, they too can contract and expand as seen in Chapter 18.2 when getting punished by Luna, and after Luna's done with her, the thin slits seen are her natural resting eyes.

Her overall appearance and some of her actions also lean into her being snake like as well (not in a bad way, and not in the western idea of what it means when you call someone a "snake")

  • Since Chapter 6 - Naoto's UNUSUALLY SHARP CANINES - Hiba notes that his canines "haven't changed since Naoto was little", and him just accidentally biting down was enough to draw blood.

We also see them poking out all the time when we get a close up of his face.

  • Meta - Suga Atsushi's Isekai title - A majority of the non-human characters don't share the more round pupils that human characters have. - Human characters are consistently drawn to have rounder pupils in ALL of Suga-sensei's works.

This is also something that has stood out the entire time. If it was something that Suga used in previous works in normal situations just to give characters extra flair, it would be one thing.....

  • Meta - Volume 4's exclusive bonus chapter (Chapter 20.5) - In the alternate world bonus chapter, Luna is depicted as a nun, making her SISTER LUNA, get it? Naoto delivers her medicine at her request. Why she needed a small crate-full of it despite being the ONLY PERSON IN THE VILLAGE CHURCH, we'll never know. She tells him not to visit her for a while, but when he did, Luna jumped him and it turned out that her being a nun, SISTER LUNA, is just a facade and that she, JUST LUNA, is a literal SUCCUBUS. - This could potentially be the author throwing the readers a huge hint on what the main story is actually about, with none of us readers the wiser, thinking this is just a bonus chapter with no real meaning whatsoever to the main story. Interpret the bonus chapter as you will.

It really is kind of hard on how to interpret that chapter. It could be relevant to the actual story and a nod to what's to come, or it could have just been a fun little short story.


On a side note, Chapter 17.2 page 18, the childhood photo retcons the very same photo from chapter 1, and it heavily nerfed the breast size of the "third girl" to match Hiba's own (Chapter 17.1 for comparison)... I don't know what else to say, but she's meant to be Hiba. We got all the important characters already.

It's not like I'm opposed to it being Hiba in the photo, but I need some solid confirmation on it before I'm sold on the idea, since their appearance could just end up being similar. Hiba being the third girl (and romantic interest) is actually something I'm completely fine with as I actually like her character more than Kawashina and she seems the most likely out of the three to actively pursue Naoto and shake things up.

Like, if Luna gives the OK for her to go after Naoto, I feel like she will actually do it and make the other two either accept their feelings and keep up, or be left behind.


I myself am currently leaning on the theory of Luna having a dependency on Naoto, or more specifically, Naoto as "Her younger relative whom she treated as her real younger brother that played with her in the countryside up until 10 years prior to the beginning of the story". The evidence towards this theory just kept stacking up.
  • From Luna growing up alone and suffering from loneliness and depression (Chapter 12, Chapter 22, Chapter 24.1).
  • To her playing with her "younger brother Nao-kun" claiming it was "the happiest time of her life" (Chapter 12), with Naoto becoming a Living Emotional Crutch for her.
  • Her not wanting to be separated from him (Chapter 4.5, Chapter 9, Chapter 25.2), further supporting the theory with Naoto being a Living Emotional Crutch for her, he is the only person that can make her truly feel happy.
  • Her reactions towards others should any harm befall Naoto. (Chapter 8, Chapter 24.1)
  • Her still seeing the shadow of the younger "Nao-kun"(Chapter 19.2), despite all the "progress" the two had at that point.
  • And her tendency of wanting to play with Naoto the games they played in their childhood, a call back to the "happiest time of her life", where she played and had fun with "Nao-kun" (Chapter 9, Chapter 14, any chapters where she mentions wanting to hang out and spend some fun times WITH HIM SPECIFICALLY really, Hiba even had to point this out to Naoto by giving him a hint in Chapter 14 when Naoto thinks that he is not needed for Luna to enjoy herself).

There's so much going on and so much that's left out right now, it's hard to get a good grasp on things relating to her past and why she's so desperate to hold on to Naoto as a "little brother" and thinks that he only loves "Luna-nee".

Although one thing I have noticed, her apartment showed clear signs of the standard "depression room" and as the story progressed and she became happy, the state of the apartment also improved and she even went as far as to try and "help" with the laundry (snatching up Naotos underwear), showing that her mental state has clear signs of improvement.


I'm not going to lie though, I get the feeling Suga may have been talked out of the non-human / supernatural route and that's how we ended up with Shounin Skill de Maoujou no Kouryaku wo Mezasu ~Isekai Ten'i Shita node Saikyou Item to Talk-jutsu de Ikinuku koto ni shita~. Which would kind of suck because it feels like a waste of all of these subtle hints towards some supernatural shenanigans and the visual character traits that they were all given.


Edit: Also going to point out that with all of the focus we see on Luna, her problems and their relationship problems, we actually don't even really know much about our MC himself. We haven't really gotten any information about his character and past either. We don't know about his life before or after Luna. We have no idea if he's ever actually been in a relationship in the 10 years before all of this.
 
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There's so much going on and so much that's left out right now, it's hard to get a good grasp on things relating to her past and why she's so desperate to hold on to Naoto as a "little brother" and thinks that he only loves "Luna-nee".

Here's what I've got compiled on Luna's lonely past that was revealed so far.
Chapter 12
  • Luna tells Naoto that her Dad was missing when she was little
  • Luna tells Naoto that things were always tense with her mom, by middle-school they barely talked anymore
Chapter 22
  • Luna tells Naoto that when she was younger, whenever she enters a kotatsu by herself, despite the depictions on the television of the kotatsu being warm, she finds it as a cold and lonely place.
Chapter 24.1
  • Luna tells Mimi that she knows how noisy the silence of an empty house could be.
  • Luna telling Mimi that she knows how vast and dark a small room feels.
  • Mimi asks Luna how Luna understands how her own loneliness felt.

Her fear of being separated from Nao-kun.
Chapter 4.5
  • After being caught kissing her then boyfriend, and Nao-kun starts sulking and avoiding her. Luna slips into the MC's futon and apologizes for breaking their promise, she then cries to him to not leave her.
Chapter 9
  • After Naoto gave Luna a hickey (read: marked his TREASURE), she thought if Nao-kun learned the truth of him being responsible for giving Luna a hickey, that he would end the stay and leave. <- It was an ill Naoto without his inhibitions, doing what Luna herself taught him so his "treasure" doesn't get stolen away.
Chapter 14
  • After Naoto tells Luna that "as long as Luna is enjoying herself, it doesn't have to be with Naoto specifically", Luna is immediately on the verge of tears.
Chapter 25.2
  • Her decision to meet up with the person in the matching app, is to erase "a specific desire" and become "Luna-nee" once again, as she fears that should she "cross the line" with Nao-kun, he will be separated from her again. <- Her mentioning "again" tells me something similar was the reason why they were separated the first time 10 years ago, and it might have something to do with the specific "desire" that she wants to get rid of.

Her thinking on why he only likes "Luna-nee"
Chapter 16.1
  • The "Nao-kun of the past" was unable to accept "Luna", she hopes that things will work out this time, and the "Nao-kun as he is now" would be able to accept "Luna". <- It appears she wasn't able to hold on to this, so she took action to fall back to becoming "Luna-nee" once again in Chapter 25.
I might have missed a few, but these are the stand-out ones that support the "dependency theory".

Although one thing I have noticed, her apartment showed clear signs of the standard "depression room" and as the story progressed and she became happy, the state of the apartment also improved and she even went as far as to try and "help" with the laundry (snatching up Naotos underwear), showing that her mental state has clear signs of improvement.
While we're at it, her having blank expressions to almost always smiling when around other people and only showing extreme expressions when she is alone, or if Naoto is involved, shows me signs of "masking", checking the box for the Stepford Smiler trope.

I'm not going to lie though, I get the feeling Suga may have been talked out of the non-human / supernatural route and that's how we ended up with Shounin Skill de Maoujou no Kouryaku wo Mezasu ~Isekai Ten'i Shita node Saikyou Item to Talk-jutsu de Ikinuku koto ni shita~. Which would kind of suck because it feels like a waste of all of these subtle hints towards some supernatural shenanigans and the visual character traits that they were all given.
That manga getting a rushed ending might have been a blessing in disguise. This means the author could bring up supernatural elements into the manga. Case in point, volume 4's exclusive bonus chapter just so happen to coincide with the isekai manga ending.

Reminder that in that manga, succubi only need to "satisfy a desire" to become full-fledged succubi, and a kiss would be enough for some. Meaning Suga-verse succubi don't necessarily work the same way as the conventional succubi. If we go further to the supernatural theory, the characters could very well be hybrids without the obvious non-human traits (wings, long pointy ears, horns, tails, etc.).

Edit: Also going to point out that with all of the focus we see on Luna, her problems and their relationship problems, we actually don't even really know much about our MC himself. We haven't really gotten any information about his character and past either. We don't know about his life before or after Luna. We have no idea if he's ever actually been in a relationship in the 10 years before all of this.
Yeah, all we got from Naoto "within the blank of 10 years" was his mom not telling him the reason why Luna stopped coming, and that he and his friends play video games on old consoles to pass time.
 
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Here's what I've got compiled on Luna's lonely past that was revealed so far.


Her fear of being separated from Nao-kun.


Her thinking on why he only likes "Luna-nee"

I might have missed a few, but these are the stand-out ones that support the "dependency theory".

There's a few other odd things that popped up as well.

Right off the start, Naoto tried to "reset" their relationship as they are both adults now and should keep a certain distance between them, but Luna was having none of it. This made it seem like she didn't understand that Naoto actually grew up and matured and is later reinforced when she admits she was expecting him to just be a bigger "Nao-kun".

Something about it almost makes it seem like time was just passing without her noticing and nothing changing. Maybe she really did spend most of those 10 years alone, stuck in the past and thinking of better times.

There could also be something drastic that happened as well, like an accident, sickness / hospitalization, or maybe her mother abandoned her on that last summer and her father was forced to take her in and she moved far away (if they were actually divorced / weren't married in the first place). There's no way you would tell a child about any of those things happening, and if her father isn't his uncle (mother or fathers brother), there's no reason for him to have any contact with their family.


While we're at it, her having blank expressions to almost always smiling when around other people and only showing extreme expressions when she is alone, or if Naoto is involved, shows me signs of "masking", checking the box for the Stepford Smiler trope.

The only person she ever lets it slip with is Hiba, but it's pretty clear that Hiba already knows everything about Luna, even the things she refuses to admit to herself.

Some of this actually makes her come off as an actual Jirai-onna and not a harmless Jirai-kei.

That manga getting a rushed ending might have been a blessing in disguise. This means the author could bring up supernatural elements into the manga. Case in point, volume 4's exclusive bonus chapter just so happen to coincide with the isekai manga ending.

Reminder that in that manga, succubi only need to "satisfy a desire" to become full-fledged succubi, and a kiss would be enough for some. Meaning Suga-verse succubi don't necessarily work the same way as the conventional succubi. If we go further to the supernatural theory, the characters could very well be hybrids without the obvious non-human traits (wings, long pointy ears, horns, tails, etc.).

It could also be that he had some of the ideas he implemented in that series getting in the way of how he wanted to use similar ideas in this one stuck in his head, so he wrote another series to get them out of his system as to not let the ideas slip into this one.

It's something I've seen a few times before from some of the authors whose books I read and they stopped writing a series for a while and wrote something completely unrelated because, while similar, what they wrote wasn't what they wanted to put in the main books they were working on.

Yeah, all we got from Naoto "within the blank of 10 years" was his mom not telling him the reason why Luna stopped coming, and that he and his friends play video games on old consoles to pass time.

Like, there's no way nothing of note happened in that entire time, even if his town is actually in the country side. I'm sure someone like that would have had a girlfriend at some point. Which also brings up something else, we know Luna is hiding things from Naoto, but is Naoto also hiding things from Luna (aside from being in love with her).
 
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Thanks for injecting some sanity into all this madness. That’s exactly what I’ve been saying from the start😭. It would be a plot hole the size of a castle.

If the author has resorted to that tired "brainless heroine" trope, acting solely on the basis of conclusions she concocts in her head just to shoehorn in some NTR, like: "I like Nao and i don't wanna lose him, so im gona suck other guy's cock and get fucked by him in a hotel", then it’s going to be a piece of crap on par with Grapara or even worse.
Thanks for injecting some sanity into all this madness. That’s exactly what I’ve been saying from the start😭. It would be a plot hole the size of a castle.

If the author has resorted to that tired "brainless heroine" trope, acting solely on the basis of conclusions she concocts in her head just to shoehorn in some NTR, like: "I like Nao and i don't wanna lose him, so im gona suck other guy's cock and get fucked by him in a hotel", then it’s going to be a piece of crap on par with Grapara or even worse.
This is the current mindset of Susuka, the girlfriend of the protagonist Haru in Hontou wa Watashi ga: "I like Haru and don't want to lose him, so I'll sleep with my fellow student council member to make him jealous and win him back."
 
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I'm the one who started the fire and said that it will become a grapara 2.0 so let me put something in perspective here.


The urge is not specifically lust. Only hinted to be lust. Her urge can be anything. Maybe it can be the urge to hang out and party. And she can't have naoto hang out with her all the time.


The scene at hotel is not explicit. could mean anything. the scene with the boyfriend can be a innocent highschool love (exchange of kiss,holding hands)

I'm gonna be honest the story would suck ass if she fuck another guy, because she doesn't want to lose naoto.


Because if Naoto knows his worth that's the moment she lost him forever.
It's up to the author to know how to play the story after such a revelation. Because it would not be a good ending for the mc to end up with fmc who disregard his feelings ( she knows he gets upset when she kiss and fuck someone else). Because she doesn't want to lose him. It's not about fucking someone else ( she's in her thirties and is hinted she already went to motel plenty times.) it's about being a coward and choosing to escape instead of facing the protagonist.

Honestly he shouldn't be with her. Not because she's whore but because she's stupid.
 
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I think deep down Naoto's imagination about her having sex with someone. Is his insecurity about her showing. He doesn't trust that she would not be fucking someone else because he already see that she had relationships in the past ( her bf kissing her). In the end of the story i think he will end up with someone else. Because all the reasons naoto has to love luna is a crush from the past.

And now that he his experiencing what the real luna is. Without the lenses of the "big sister" he saw in the past. He's seeing she's flawed character. And that might kill his feelings for her. If she turns him down next chapter. We might see him getting over this feelings and finding someone else.

I really hope the author goes this route. Just for the message it gives. That childhood crushes and nostalgia are all from eyes of a immature character and that people are flawed. Sometimes the heroine losing is good.
 

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