I'm 24 and i think i'm already in my thirties she ain't far from it.
Kuse Tsuyo Kanojo wa Toko ni Izanau - Vol. 4 Ch. 20.6
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That's a stretch, lol.
I don't see Luna losing and even if she "rejects" Naoto next chapter that doesn't mean Naoto will give up on her.
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People didn't see lemon loosing in "i hope you are happy lemon" and it's about the same thing. Having a complicated past with someone. Naoto clearly doesn't like the fact that she kissed and probably fucked someone else. But it's not in his place to say anything. But he does wants to change. It's just that luna doesn't want to change.
Not much my legs are already thirty years old. I just woke up 2 days ago with my legs hurting for no reason at all.
Dude this is not a lemon situation though and Luna is literally on the verge of giving in.
I'm talking about if the she really slept with someone else. And if she's going to reject naoto. It doesn't matter if she's on the verge of giving in if she doesn't give in. This will they won't they doesn't end up well in most scenarios and if the author takes this story seriously then naoto most likely will find someone else.
Naoto won't find someone else, this isn't that type of story.
They never said it wasn't that type of story.
Naoto isn't choosing another girl over Luna.
Sorry but this isn't like that, if it was then the story would already be over.
Even if Luna "rejects" Naoto next chapter he's not going to give up on her, he's following through with his resolve because he loves her.
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She started showing up when she was in / started middle school and stopped showing up before high school, she's 24/25. She was there for roughly 3 summers and disappeared when Naoto was 10 years old.
One thing I've never liked in media, be it film, books, or manga, is hiding things from the audience.
By "hiding," I mean introducing elements that drastically change the story without any foreshadowing.
The crudest examples are things like:
Every story is told from a point of view. It can be a character who is part of the action, an omniscient narrator, a character remembering past events, you name it.
If our point-of-view character, whose experiences and knowledge we've followed so far, suddenly has a conversation with someone who is conveniently hidden behind a plant, a column, or something similar, that also feels cheap to me. All of a sudden, we're deprived of the character's knowledge simply because it suits the writer.
Don't get me wrong, good writers hide stuff all the time, but they do it naturally, in a way that doesn't feel like "plot manipulation," if you know what I mean.
In this work, the mangaka has hidden things from the get-go in a nonsensical way. There is no way Luna could be taking a man home to have sex, or something similar, without Naoto eventually getting confirmation that a man was there. Even guys moan, talk, go to the bathroom, drink a glass of water, or want to meet the woman's roommate. So Naoto continuing to have doubts was already nonsensical, but it suited the tone of the story.
Now the story is getting a bit more serious. He hears about dating apps, sees Luna going into a hotel, and all of a sudden it's a major issue? If he already had confirmation that she had been having sex with men all this time, why would this be particularly shocking? And how could he possibly not have known?
Even though Luna's POV has never really been shown except in tidbits, why show her opening the door and then give us only half of her stream of consciousness? It feels like "plot manipulation" mixed with a bit of "genre switching."
Don't get me wrong, it might still end up somewhere good, regardless of whether she's been having sex or not. But, like that author whose name starts with "Katsu" and ends with "ra Airi," the mangaka is generating drama by deliberately showing us only half the scene.
Imagine Snow White if the scene where the Evil Queen transforms into an old lady wasn't shown.
Who is the old lady? Why did she give Snow White the apple?
Fans start theorizing:
"Come on, it's the Evil Queen!"
"Maybe, but if that's the case, why not show it?"
"Nah, Angry called a witch because he hates Snow White!"
And so on and so forth.
Then, at the end: "Oh, it was the Evil Queen all along."
What was the point of hiding it? It added nothing to the story. It was only useful for generating buzz, theories, and discussion.
That's what I'm starting to feel about this story, especially now that it's taking on a more serious tone.
Thank you for coming to my Dex Talk.
By "hiding," I mean introducing elements that drastically change the story without any foreshadowing.
The crudest examples are things like:
- They have a twin sibling!
- The butler did it.
- The old man was a young gymnast in disguise.
- He is the son of a woman he abandoned 30 years ago.
Every story is told from a point of view. It can be a character who is part of the action, an omniscient narrator, a character remembering past events, you name it.
If our point-of-view character, whose experiences and knowledge we've followed so far, suddenly has a conversation with someone who is conveniently hidden behind a plant, a column, or something similar, that also feels cheap to me. All of a sudden, we're deprived of the character's knowledge simply because it suits the writer.
Don't get me wrong, good writers hide stuff all the time, but they do it naturally, in a way that doesn't feel like "plot manipulation," if you know what I mean.
In this work, the mangaka has hidden things from the get-go in a nonsensical way. There is no way Luna could be taking a man home to have sex, or something similar, without Naoto eventually getting confirmation that a man was there. Even guys moan, talk, go to the bathroom, drink a glass of water, or want to meet the woman's roommate. So Naoto continuing to have doubts was already nonsensical, but it suited the tone of the story.
Now the story is getting a bit more serious. He hears about dating apps, sees Luna going into a hotel, and all of a sudden it's a major issue? If he already had confirmation that she had been having sex with men all this time, why would this be particularly shocking? And how could he possibly not have known?
Even though Luna's POV has never really been shown except in tidbits, why show her opening the door and then give us only half of her stream of consciousness? It feels like "plot manipulation" mixed with a bit of "genre switching."
Don't get me wrong, it might still end up somewhere good, regardless of whether she's been having sex or not. But, like that author whose name starts with "Katsu" and ends with "ra Airi," the mangaka is generating drama by deliberately showing us only half the scene.
Imagine Snow White if the scene where the Evil Queen transforms into an old lady wasn't shown.
Who is the old lady? Why did she give Snow White the apple?
Fans start theorizing:
"Come on, it's the Evil Queen!"
"Maybe, but if that's the case, why not show it?"
"Nah, Angry called a witch because he hates Snow White!"
And so on and so forth.
Then, at the end: "Oh, it was the Evil Queen all along."
What was the point of hiding it? It added nothing to the story. It was only useful for generating buzz, theories, and discussion.
That's what I'm starting to feel about this story, especially now that it's taking on a more serious tone.
Thank you for coming to my Dex Talk.
I honestly feel like people are trying way too hard with the comparisions to Airi.
As I've said before, Grapara was doomed from the start, it was always going to be NTR.
This author is different, this is probably their most spicy work, but one look at their past stories will tell you that they've always done vanilla, now, even if Luna has had sex with other dudes, that doesn't mean that it happened at the hotel and even so, I have complete faith that things aren't like that.
More to the point, Naoto isn't picking another girl, it would be weird and frankly would kill the story if he pivoted to another girl, it makes his resolve to understand Luna's past and help her weak and worthless, he's already demonstrated his resolve by telling Luna that she can use him.
Anything could happen next chapter, rejection is a decent possiblity but Naoto giving up on Luna? 0% chance of happening, maybe he gets a bit sad and talks with one of the other girls, but he's still going to love Luna and if Luna suddenly sees him getting close with another girl she is not going to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Everytime we thought something bad was happening it got resolved, hotel situation is no different.
my post wasn't about the plot at all. just how they serve it. creating drama by what they hide and not by what they show. It can be done masterfully but in the case of this author and katsura airi, they seem to do it by "hiding half the screen."
Even so, I don't consider this author anything like Katsura.
they both hide stuff just for easy drama... not that the story or beats are similar. they both use a plot device that i think is lazy, that's all.
You don't have to make the comparison to Katsura to point that out though, it's more common than you think.
It is and it sucks.
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