Vinland Saga - Ch. 218 - Thousand Year Voyage Part 27

[ZeroFrost]

What a horrible day for rain.

 

[vissen]

Honestly ive been reading this for over a decade but goddamn this hardcore pacifism is too much. The fact that Thorfins been so hardcore no killing in situations like this is absurd. He needs to find a middle ground or at least explore the options. His creed works if its just him, but he has family and a whole civilization that look up to him. People are threatening their way of life and he just wants 0 violence no matter what. Philosophically wise this story fails its themes its trying to deliver and its just idealistic nonsense. Every other story that deals with similar themes of the cycle of violence, hatred and war, atleast have a nuanced take on these topics instead of Thorfins 0 violence policy no matter whats done to you. Stories like Attack on Titan, Berserk and Vagabond.

 

[ududjeisie]

If they killed the leader, that would've ended the war as well...

They had to show the savages the civilized way of dealing things.

You’re the reason the concept of war crimes was created

 

[Jstar338]

fuck

 

[AlbiCat]

Not like this...

 

[Audrey_spino]

Honestly ive been reading this for over a decade but goddamn this hardcore pacifism is too much. The fact that Thorfins been so hardcore no killing in situations like this is absurd. He needs to find a middle ground or at least explore the options. His creed works if its just him, but he has family and a whole civilization that look up to him. People are threatening their way of life and he just wants 0 violence no matter what. Philosophically wise this story fails its themes its trying to deliver and its just idealistic nonsense. Every other story that deals with similar themes of the cycle of violence, hatred and war, atleast have a nuanced take on these topics instead of Thorfins 0 violence policy no matter whats done to you. Stories like Attack on Titan, Berserk and Vagabond.

Have you been speed-reading through the whole story? Thorfinn has been constantly punished for his pacifism. The story is making zero efforts to support his way of thinking. The reason the arc is called 'Thousand Year Voyage' is because Yukimura-sensei acknowledges the fact that peace does not come from a single guy deciding one day that he doesn't have enemies anymore, it comes from a collective effort over several millenia. Since when did the story itself support Thorfinn's ideals? It never has. The story has always been challenging Thorfinn at every turn.
It's people like you who lack reading comprehension that gives Vinland Saga a bad reputation.

 

[Sahiru_II]

I always shit on authors for not being able to kill someone from the main cast. But damn

 

[Audrey_spino]

"He that sups on death but little will find it a bitter draught. Yet he that drinketh deep shall taste the sweetest nectar." Jagganoth, Kill Six Billion Demons

That's all you get with half-measures, the worst of both worlds. I think we're supposed to simply despair at the folly of men ruining things for everyone out of fear of greed, but it's also hard to not resent Thorfinn's naïveté.

Arnheid's Village needed to have the same journey as Thors and he did, but he thought it would work to skip to the end. No, they wouldn't have been warriors if they hadn't been killers first, killers who had the strength to have the luxury of choice, the privilege to not have to kill to survive.

He had the right idea to try to forbid swords to show his commitment, but he should have cast out Ivar at the second he proved he didn't believe in Vinland. He also should have understood then that people don't only follow leader out of conviction, but interest.

And even when that interest is nothing more than what we consider now basic human rights, Thorfinn was incapable to offer them an expectation of safety.

At the second they met the Lnu and understood the land was already claimed, they should have left if they were fully committed to renounce violence. Because where there's people, there's trouble.

TLDR: Yukimura seems to want to turn us into catholics and learn to turn the other cheek, but it only reaffirms for me that we need to break a bully's nose at the second he appears if we want to know peace. Not a second before but not a second too late.

I'm sad he lost his friend Einar, but it's very disappointing that Thorfinn doesn't see himself the point he keeps making, when he displays his strength only to choose kindness: you need to have and show your ability to commit violence to not have to ever commit violence. Else, that only makes him a dreamer and not a leader.

No he doesn't. You already saw how much Thorfinn suffered due to it. Yukimura-sensei never told you to agree with everything Thorfinn said, the story itself has been a rebuttal of Thorfinn's ideals.

 

[BTRNDL]

Fuck...

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[Gem-Bug]

Honestly ive been reading this for over a decade but goddamn this hardcore pacifism is too much. The fact that Thorfins been so hardcore no killing in situations like this is absurd. He needs to find a middle ground or at least explore the options. His creed works if its just him, but he has family and a whole civilization that look up to him. People are threatening their way of life and he just wants 0 violence no matter what. Philosophically wise this story fails its themes its trying to deliver and its just idealistic nonsense. Every other story that deals with similar themes of the cycle of violence, hatred and war, atleast have a nuanced take on these topics instead of Thorfins 0 violence policy no matter whats done to you. Stories like Attack on Titan, Berserk and Vagabond.

Nothing that has happened was Thorfin's fault, specifically.

Even after this, pre-farm Thorfin ain't coming back. You all gotta accept this

 

[ReadMedakaBox]

Styrk, Ivar and Ganglati were both the real heroes and the real victims of this story. Dudes tried everything they could rationally do to protect the colony and its people. If they didn't convince everyone to erect the walls, everyone would have been dead already. May their souls rest in peace.

 

[shekel]

But it did get worse!

 

[HunnyLoliBunny]

Nothing that has happened was Thorfin's fault, specifically.

Even after this, pre-farm Thorfin ain't coming back. You all gotta accept this

His indecision on the crossbow shot this chapter could of been the differnce beween 1 life vs 2

 

[BirchJuice]

Styrk, Ivar and Ganglati

Cutting off the shamans hand and manipulating the village surely helped. 🧌

E: And bringing the swords/weapons in the first place... 🙁☹️

 

[morbitouchiha]

I am really going to miss this series

 

[Theozilla]

People claiming that Thorfinn's choices has led to the worst of both worlds are really missing the point that the worst of both worlds isn't a truce at the cost of Einar's life, but rather for no truce to have been achieved and the fighting to have continued on until the last of the Norse (including Thorfinn and Hild) in the fort had been killed (with even more Lnu being killed in process) and the evacuated women and children being left to fend for themselves on a return trip.

 

[SpiritusNox]

Styrk died as he lived: A murderous, short-sighted imbecile.

 

[Levankua]

Einar didn't deserve this aaaaaaaaaaa

 

[WeabooCunt]

 

[the_kitkat_king]

Whole dialogue between Thorfinn and Einar in this chapter felt like conclusion, for discussion what they started at Ketil’s farm.

Devastated to see only person who might truly understand Thorfinn to have fate like that.

This was honestly the only conclusion he had. Thorfinns ideals are only holding out as long as they are because of how strong he's become due to his time as a killer. When a normal man tries to follow in his footsteps, this is what happens. It's a really terrible end for his character, but I'm glad it's something the author is showing the consequences of.