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humanity can never avoid wars
Vinland Saga - Ch. 214 - Thousand Year Voyage Part 23
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Yeah, his last stand was truly awesome. I especially liked the part where he was lying face down while they took his weapon (again).
"True warrior" my ass. He threw his life away for nothing.
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Interesting that Ivar didn't get the creepy "there is no Valhalla" vision when he died despite kinda causing this whole blow up
Bro was hopped up on adrenaline and delulu, trying to convince himself that this was what he wanted.
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The war would've happened even if he was not there
My hope is that the mutilate his corpse to show his brother before they kill them all. It felt super rewarding to see the guy get stabbed, but I think he's probably still alive. You can clearly see everyone else dead, but he is just face down.
They would have only seen the steel tools. He and his cohorts brought swords. He brought war, the natives brought death.
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I actually agree with this. At best thorfin and the others could have fled but I don't think the peace would have lasted given the greed of the other tribes and their own lust for war
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vargar and his men were jomsvikings turned pirates (chapter 190)
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Welp, now the natives are up against pissed off former jomsvikings. RIP
Ivar was a tragic hero in the classical sense. His last exchange with his brother, and his vision, showed the good that was in him. He would have been as perfect a founding member of the Vinland colony as you could have wished for, growing and harvesting wheat alongside his brothers, if only he hadn't had the notion instilled in him, from birth, that war is a necessary ingredient for a virtuous death. That's why his choices led to his own undoing. When the time came for him to relinquish his sword and commit to a different way of life, he went the other way. He couldn't help it - a life without war would've meant a death without virtue. I doubt he even realized it. In his mind, a life without war in it was simply unimaginable.
He reminds me of Gardar, who was everything good you could ask for in a husband and father. But as a warrior, he brought death and destruction to others, and death and destruction came back to him. Right up until the raid on his hometown, there was no doubt in his mind he was living a virtuous life. Of course, unlike Ivar, I doubt he thought until the end that he was doing the right thing. Well - in a sense, what died in the second act of Vinland Saga was only the shell of a former Gardar.
Will Einar be next? Perhaps the defining aspect of his character was being a farmer - one who builds, who grows, who nurtures a life and a home - and decidedly not a warrior. Whenever he tried to be violent, he would find he had neither the talent nor the stomach. Is this - his making a home that is more to him than just another place, but Arnheid, his true love embodied in a human settlement - what finally hardens his heart enough to be able to kill - to be a warrior himself, a dealer of death, rather than life? What a blow that would be to Thorfinn. It's basically settled that his vision of Vinland won't come to pass, but to also lose his oldest and closest friend to it...
He reminds me of Gardar, who was everything good you could ask for in a husband and father. But as a warrior, he brought death and destruction to others, and death and destruction came back to him. Right up until the raid on his hometown, there was no doubt in his mind he was living a virtuous life. Of course, unlike Ivar, I doubt he thought until the end that he was doing the right thing. Well - in a sense, what died in the second act of Vinland Saga was only the shell of a former Gardar.
Will Einar be next? Perhaps the defining aspect of his character was being a farmer - one who builds, who grows, who nurtures a life and a home - and decidedly not a warrior. Whenever he tried to be violent, he would find he had neither the talent nor the stomach. Is this - his making a home that is more to him than just another place, but Arnheid, his true love embodied in a human settlement - what finally hardens his heart enough to be able to kill - to be a warrior himself, a dealer of death, rather than life? What a blow that would be to Thorfinn. It's basically settled that his vision of Vinland won't come to pass, but to also lose his oldest and closest friend to it...
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The other tribe's desires for steel weapons was primarily incited because of Ivar falling for the shaman's ploy. Also the spread of disease was by far the more significant inciting motivator for relations breaking down and and leading to mass armed conflict.
Anyways I imagine that Vargar and his ex-Jomsviking comrades might be able to create an opening for any surviving Norse to retreat and abandon the fort/village, but even with their martial prowess, that's not enough to overcome more than a 5 times difference in combatant number even with them having a siege fort advantage.
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You're wrong. The sword was a catalyst but the seeds of war were sown even before that.
Also, no one brought war to the natives, the natives knew war before Thorfinn was even born.
War is part of human nature, that is the story's main point.
Some people fight this nature, some people accept it, some people live because of it.
Had it not been the sword, it would have been the tools, the bread, the plague. Bad people will use any excuse they can to exact war.
Remember that you're supposed to disagree with this. This quote is not from Cormac, but from a character Cormac wrote to be so evil some people argue he (the character) is actually the devil himself.
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