Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Bartolumiu]

And yet, after such a blatant breach of professionalism, putting the entire MangaDex staff under fire... EtherealNeko doesn't even get a slap on the wrist? No punishment at all? No demotions? Nothing?

When a Japanese CEO messes up, they resign. This is standard practice, and should be standard practice. Being an admin on a website is far less important than a CEO, yet you are treating EtherealNeko better than a CEO.

If EtherealNeko had said something racist or transphobic that the MangaDex staff disagrees with, EtherealNeko would have been booted immediately.

So the fact that they haven't been booted proves that the MangaDex staff does in fact agree with EtherealNeko's stance.

I understand why you're looking for a public "verdict" here, but we don't handle internal staff matters or disciplinary actions out in theopen.
Just because we're not posting a public list of punishments that doesn't mean the situation is being completely ignored or that the entire team shares one person's specific phrasing (in this case for example no one does, for pretty obvious reasons).
Right now we're trying to focus on fixing the tension in teh community and making sure our internal standards are met once again, but we won't be doing public "resignations" over a heated thread.

 

[Mazaky]

I will take this as my cue to back up my reading list before it gets worse. I suggest you all do the same while we can.

Over the past two decades, I’ve been through so many sites that I eventually started keeping track of everything I read in a huge, well-organized Excel spreadsheet. Yeah, I’m old, but this bad boy has never failed me once.

 

[WhiteRaven_OfTheValley]

I'm leaving this thread for now, I've had enough of bs in this site today, it's my time to rest and let people who just woke up take the wheel

I've already taken notes of all the titles i have in my library and ready to move whenever the worst happened

I hope it won't, but from the looks, it'll happen.

 

[ShujixXChise]

I understand why you're looking for a public "verdict" here, but we don't handle internal staff matters or disciplinary actions out in theopen.
Just because we're not posting a public list of punishments that doesn't mean the situation is being completely ignored or that the entire team shares one person's specific phrasing (in this case for example no one does, for pretty obvious reasons).
Right now we're trying to focus on fixing the tension in teh community and making sure our internal standards are met once again, but we won't be doing public "resignations" over a heated thread.

Again this wasn't "just" a heated threat this was YOUR mod calling people paedophile over fictional manga character and a manga that is still unfairly removed by you guys and you refuse to own up and take some personal fucking responsibility and THAT is why we have a problem because YOU refuse to address it and give the manga that was removed back and give us a official apology thats all we ask and never do this kinda shit again because we are NOT going to let you get away with this shit.

Legal action will be applied if you do not give us what we want.

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

I understand why you're looking for a public "verdict" here, but we don't handle internal staff matters or disciplinary actions out in theopen.
Just because we're not posting a public list of punishments that doesn't mean the situation is being completely ignored or that the entire team shares one person's specific phrasing (in this case for example no one does, for pretty obvious reasons).
Right now we're trying to focus on fixing the tension in teh community and making sure our internal standards are met once again, but we won't be doing public "resignations" over a heated thread.

So far, I see from the DSAT side, the simplest way is remove Neko from the mod/admin position from MD (she can keep her in Comicola), that behaviour should be a Zero tolerant policies. We all grown up here, let people take responsibility for their action.

Then again, not my company, not my team, not my problem.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Look, we all grew up here. I know it's your job to clean up for the company's face. So, let me make it straight, one of your colleague bring harm to the company's reputation, and your customer want to see some proof that action has been taken to reprimand the behaviour.
So far, we saw nothing from the prepetrator, we (as in customers) only saw peformative behaviour from her and white knighting from mod and supporters.
When did MD become a simp zone? Where are all those PR/HR trainings? The company is so cheap la, using unpaid volunteer mods i suppose?

As most of you have already been able to see, we're a team of volunteers, and not a corporate PR firm with proper HR training, but that actually doesn't mean we don't have standards (which in this case haven't been properly applied) for how we interact with the community.
That being said, as I mentioned earlier, we don't do public reprimands or post-staff disciplinary logs.
And yes, it might feels like "performative" silence from the outside, but we're currently handling the situation internally to make sure it doesn't happen again, since we're currently focusing on getting the thread back to a somewhat civil state rather than turning staff management into a public circus.

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

I understand why you're looking for a public "verdict" here, but we don't handle internal staff matters or disciplinary actions out in theopen.
Just because we're not posting a public list of punishments that doesn't mean the situation is being completely ignored or that the entire team shares one person's specific phrasing (in this case for example no one does, for pretty obvious reasons).
Right now we're trying to focus on fixing the tension in teh community and making sure our internal standards are met once again, but we won't be doing public "resignations" over a heated thread.

Do you think everyone is an idiot? It’s clear you’re sweeping it under the rug.

 

[ShujixXChise]

As most of you have already been able to see, we're a team of volunteers, and not a corporate PR firm with proper HR training, but that actually doesn't mean we don't have standards (which in this case haven't been properly applied) for how we interact with the community.
That being said, as I mentioned earlier, we don't do public reprimands or post-staff disciplinary logs.
And yes, it might feels like "performative" silence from the outside, but we're currently handling the situation internally to make sure it doesn't happen again, since we're currently focusing on getting the thread back to a somewhat civil state rather than turning staff management into a public circus.

Clearly because you let a power tripping mod start shit with people can call them paedophiles over fiction and removed a manga you think its "problematic" no buddy we are going to make you a problem that wont go away unless you fix this shit and remove Neko from mod.

 

[yogurtman250]

As most of you have already been able to see, we're a team of volunteers, and not a corporate PR firm with proper HR training, but that actually doesn't mean we don't have standards (which in this case haven't been properly applied) for how we interact with the community.
That being said, as I mentioned earlier, we don't do public reprimands or post-staff disciplinary logs.
And yes, it might feels like "performative" silence from the outside, but we're currently handling the situation internally to make sure it doesn't happen again, since we're currently focusing on getting the thread back to a somewhat civil state rather than turning staff management into a public circus.

You know, i really wanted to know what compelled her to go rouge and say such a response (and also lock the thread)

 

[DavidianMillerian]

As most of you have already been able to see, we're a team of volunteers, and not a corporate PR firm with proper HR training, but that actually doesn't mean we don't have standards (which in this case haven't been properly applied) for how we interact with the community.
That being said, as I mentioned earlier, we don't do public reprimands or post-staff disciplinary logs.
And yes, it might feels like "performative" silence from the outside, but we're currently handling the situation internally to make sure it doesn't happen again, since we're currently focusing on getting the thread back to a somewhat civil state rather than turning staff management into a public circus.

Clearly because you let a power tripping mod start shit with people can call them paedophiles over fiction and removed a manga you think its "problematic" no buddy we are going to make you a problem that wont go away unless you fix this shit and remove Neko from mod.

bro misclicked and sent the wrong reaction lmao

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

As most of you have already been able to see, we're a team of volunteers, and not a corporate PR firm with proper HR training, but that actually doesn't mean we don't have standards (which in this case haven't been properly applied) for how we interact with the community.
That being said, as I mentioned earlier, we don't do public reprimands or post-staff disciplinary logs.
And yes, it might feels like "performative" silence from the outside, but we're currently handling the situation internally to make sure it doesn't happen again, since we're currently focusing on getting the thread back to a somewhat civil state rather than turning staff management into a public circus.

I know where you come from, but face the truth. Since namicomi taking over, which is an LTD, you guys are not only a crew of volunteer or us (as in customers) should treat you like a common person. You ARE the face of MD and Namicola, I know it's hard to accept it, but as thing change since the DMCA, you guys have to adapt to how we view you guys from now on.

I think it past the days when we are just simple fans that gather and build a community, now we are customer using a service that namicomi managed.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Nah, that's not how the Non-Aggression Principle works.

People have the right to self-defense. It is the person who initiates the fight who is wrong, the defender is always morally correct.

Your logic gives advantages to the attacker, and disadvantages the defender. This leads to more attacks being done.

If you want to stop attacks, you must give preferential treatment to the defender, so the attacker has less incentive to attack in the first place.

While irl what you mean about self-defense might be applied, on a forum this only turns into neverending wars.
Our jobs isn't to play judge and jury on who started it or who's "morally correct", since that's completely pointless by now.
If we let everyone swing back just because they felt attacked first, we'll just be here forever going on and on about the same thing, isntead of just doing whatever else we want to do (which for most people it's certainly not being stuck here).
So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

 

[CharaDotArchivist]

Clearly because you let a power tripping mod start shit with people can call them paedophiles over fiction and removed a manga you think its "problematic" no buddy we are going to make you a problem that wont go away unless you fix this shit and remove Neko from mod.

i assume from what bart has said (and this may sound crazy) but i think that is what they are TRYING to do

me when reading comprehension:

 

[deleted-user-9b22eee95c]

While irl what you mean about self-defense might be applied, on a forum this only turns into neverending wars.
Our jobs isn't to play judge and jury on who started it or who's "morally correct", since that's completely pointless by now.
If we let everyone swing back just because they felt attacked first, we'll just be here forever going on and on about the same thing, isntead of just doing whatever else we want to do (which for most people it's certainly not being stuck here).
So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

Amazing gaslighting and excuses only idiots will fall for.

You should be hired as hyponisis expert

 

[DavidianMillerian]

Amazing gaslighting and victim-blaming excuses.

You should be hired as hyponisis expert

I love these kinds of people that don't directly address the original argument made and just keep attacking the person making the argument while also providing a vague counterpoint with nothing to back them whatsoever.

Truly, our brightest minds.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Again this wasn't "just" a heated threat this was YOUR mod calling people paedophile over fictional manga character and a manga that is still unfairly removed by you guys and you refuse to own up and take some personal fucking responsibility and THAT is why we have a problem because YOU refuse to address it and give the manga that was removed back and give us a official apology thats all we ask and never do this kinda shit again because we are NOT going to let you get away with this shit.

Legal action will be applied if you do not give us what we want.

Alright, sure... we've certainly heard your stance on the removal and the conduct in this thread, and we're already looking into the itnernal side of things as I already mentioned. However, since this has shifted into a discussion of legal action and demands, I think we've reached the point where further back and fortch here isn't going to be productive for anyone...
So we're most likely just going to leave the official statement as it stands for now. If you feel like there's a legal issue, that's a matter for formal channels, but we won't be negotiating site policy or staff changes under these types of threats in a publicforum.

 

[Bartolumiu]

So far, I see from the DSAT side, the simplest way is remove Neko from the mod/admin position from MD (she can keep her in Comicola), that behaviour should be a Zero tolerant policies. We all grown up here, let people take responsibility for their action.

Then again, not my company, not my team, not my problem.

If this were a formal company then that'd most likely be the case, but this isn't the case for us, so we need go get bywith whatever we have right now...
On the other hand, I appreciate the feedback, and we'll be taking it into account in the future

 

[Pyoro]

so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution

When trying to move a discussion into a productive direction it's imo best not to argue about whether it should be productive, but to pro-actively just go ahead and provide something productive to debate. The moment you do people will move on and discuss it.

So what's the proposed "common solution"?

 

[deleted-user-9b22eee95c]

I love these kinds of people that don't directly address the original argument made and just keep attacking the person making the argument while also providing a vague counterpoint with nothing to back them whatsoever.

Truly, our brightest minds.

There is nothing to argue about it is very simple, the admin made stupid post.

And they are trying too hard to sweep it under the rug telling everyone else they are the problem.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Do you think everyone is an idiot? It’s clear you’re sweeping it under the rug.

I don't, but we just have a consistent policy of not airing staff disciplinary details in public threads.
I know it's probably not the answer some of you are looking for, but it's how we operate.
As I mentioned arleady a couple of times, the feedback has been noted, and the internal review is happening. Beyond that, there isn't much more we can say on the matter here.