Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[meccaflare]

So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

I think an easy first step is to rewrite rule 3.1.1. And make a public statement about the rule change. Again, as a scanlator, finding out from a thread that MD is stealth removing shit sucks.

“3.1.1 Illegal Content, in particular, child pornography, child abuse and drug abuse.”

The inclusion of “drug abuse” feels out of place and overly broad. Depictions of drug use are common across all forms of media... film, television, literature... and are often used to portray reality or explore serious themes. There isn’t a blanket law against fictional depictions of drug use. As written, the rule could technically apply to a wide range of mainstream works, including manga currently on the site. It should just be removed.

More broadly, the wording of 3.1.1 feels overly literal and ambiguous at the same time. It doesn’t clearly distinguish between real-world illegality and fictional depictions. Adding qualifiers like “non-fictional” or “real-world” where appropriate... or explicitly clarifying how fictional portrayals are treated... would remove a lot of confusion.

 

[Z3RYX]

@Bartolumiu Do you know if there's an ETA for when the staff team will actually officially address the issue (via announcement channels and not as replies in these threads)? We still don't have much transparency on the whole thing.

 

[ShujixXChise]

Alright, sure... we've certainly heard your stance on the removal and the conduct in this thread, and we're already looking into the itnernal side of things as I already mentioned. However, since this has shifted into a discussion of legal action and demands, I think we've reached the point where further back and fortch here isn't going to be productive for anyone...
So we're most likely just going to leave the official statement as it stands for now. If you feel like there's a legal issue, that's a matter for formal channels, but we won't be negotiating site policy or staff changes under these types of threats in a publicforum.

Do you understand THIS all could have been avoided if you put a lesh on your Neko mod and DIDN'T remove manga because because you think its "problematic" and we all could have keept reading our manga and gone on our merry way, understand WE were not the ones who started this, its you mods and you think you can brush us under the rug, no no i don't think so. All we want is to enjoy our manga in peace and NOT be called a paedophile over fiction thats it so you stop with the gaslighting and actually move forward to fixing this shit.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Amazing gaslighting and excuses only idiots will fall for.

You should be hired as hyponisis expert

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their mind on the situation, that's not what I'm trying to do at all...
And yes, I know not everyone is going to agree with the "both sides" approach of our internal policies, and that's completely fine, but since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

 

[Miros]

I understand why you're looking for a public "verdict" here, but we don't handle internal staff matters or disciplinary actions out in theopen.
Just because we're not posting a public list of punishments that doesn't mean the situation is being completely ignored or that the entire team shares one person's specific phrasing (in this case for example no one does, for pretty obvious reasons).
Right now we're trying to focus on fixing the tension in teh community and making sure our internal standards are met once again, but we won't be doing public "resignations" over a heated thread.

You seem to be a nice person so let me tell you this

the only thing that any mod will achieve here is get stray bullets, telling people to calm down now after they were straight up insulted after bringing criticism of a bad staff decision will only make thing worse

the only thing that will calm people down is either see the staff take some action or "Mrs inflammatory comment" to make a proper apology

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

I don't, but we just have a consistent policy of not airing staff disciplinary details in public threads.
I know it's probably not the answer some of you are looking for, but it's how we operate.
As I mentioned arleady a couple of times, the feedback has been noted, and the internal review is happening. Beyond that, there isn't much more we can say on the matter here.

That good enough for me. Let see what you guys decision later on.

 

[Bartolumiu]

@Bartolumiu Do you know if there's an ETA for when the staff team will actually officially address the issue (via announcement channels and not as replies in these threads)? We still don't have much transparency on the whole thing.

Sadly there's not, and I don't have any useful info about it either

 

[roguezilla]

this is like the bronze age collapse

 

[deleted-user-9b22eee95c]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their mind on the situation, that's not what I'm trying to do at all...
And yes, I know not everyone is going to agree with the "both sides" approach of our internal policies, and that's completely fine, but since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

You love using the words "both sides" yet only targeting one and making excuses for the other.

 

[Bartolumiu]

You seem to be a nice person so let me tell you this

the only thing that any mod will achieve here is get stray bullets, telling people to calm down now after they were straight up insulted and after bringing criticism of a bad staff decision will only make thing worse

the only thing that will calm people is either see the staff take some action or "Mrs inflammatory comment" to make an proper apology

Appreciate the heads up
You're right that things aren't going to cool down instantly while the core issues are still being felt there.
Thanks for keeping it civil tho

 

[SasaBelphDeviluke]

Two of my recent uploads vanished (404 error when I click on the link posted elsewhere), you say you stop the deleted for now, but I can assume it’s not worth it to take time to upload there.

You can eventually restart to erase everything at any moment ?

 

[LilHoodie]

@Bartolumiu Do you know if there's an ETA for when the staff team will actually officially address the issue (via announcement channels and not as replies in these threads)? We still don't have much transparency on the whole thing.

Yeah, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you

 

[Bartolumiu]

You love using the words "both sides" yet only targeting one and making excuses for the other.

I tmight look that way where you're sitting, but that's exactly why we handle staff issues internally rather than in the thread.
Just because you don't see the "other side" of the moderation process happening in public doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Since rignt now we're just repeating the same points now and the conversation is turning into a loop, I'm going to leave it at that. We've certainly got plenty of feedback to work with already...

 

[ShujixXChise]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their mind on the situation, that's not what I'm trying to do at all...
And yes, I know not everyone is going to agree with the "both sides" approach of our internal policies, and that's completely fine, but since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

I'm sorry but thats because mods keep ignoring us instead of doing whats right and restoring the manga which is: noraneko shoujo to no kurashikata, because removing this isn't going to fix anything and has only angered the users and yeah MeccaFlare is right rewriting rule 3.1.1 would be a good first step in fixing this problem because fictional characters being sexualized in not even in the same ball park as a actual child being csem'd.

And dealing with your rogue mod (which hopefully your doing)

 

[roguezilla]

Appreciate the heads up
You're right that things aren't going to cool down instantly while the core issues are still being felt there.
Thanks for keeping it civil tho

i mean i only caught up now, but this whole almost 50 page shit throwing contest couldve been easily avoided with transparency and without an admin acting like a smartass, no?

 

[Bartolumiu]

i mean i only caught up now, but this whole almost 50 page shit throwing contest couldve been easily avoided with transparency and without an admin acting like a smartass, no?

Pretty much, yeah

 

[Z3RYX]

Yeah, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you

They'll have to address it at some point if this is actually a policy change. Groups need to know about the new rules/enforcement.

 

[LordofLeechers]

since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

Since you said that you are taking things said into consideration, allow me to offer at least one more bite: please, in the future, let us know before you begin a purge. I know that it is difficult to coordinate, but silently deleting manga and hoping we don't notice is absolutely the worst way to handle this kind of thing. If you want us to trust and support you, please communicate with us, and don't try to sweep things under the rug.

Failing that, at the very least, don't delete the metadata so that those of us who have reached our limit can safely and easily compile our lists so that we can take our things and leave without a fuss.

 

[Nekomizus]

This thread really went down the tone policing route instead of focusing on what really matters and that is the censorship. I couldn't care less what a mod thinks about loli manga. The issue is that the opinion of said mods have impacted the site.

 

[SiegFire]

ONLY 10 ENTRIES GOT DELETED AND FUTURES ACTIONS ARE PAUSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

10 entries being deleted (with at least 2 of them being the earliest entries from what I heard) is already too much by the time this mod team got caught red handed & had to provide a “statement”. Might as well bite the bullet on my end and start logging in the remaining +200 mangas into a list. Between this & Anime Tosho shutting down in a few months, today is not my day.