Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Bartolumiu]

Nah, that's not how the Non-Aggression Principle works.

People have the right to self-defense. It is the person who initiates the fight who is wrong, the defender is always morally correct.

Your logic gives advantages to the attacker, and disadvantages the defender. This leads to more attacks being done.

If you want to stop attacks, you must give preferential treatment to the defender, so the attacker has less incentive to attack in the first place.

While irl what you mean about self-defense might be applied, on a forum this only turns into neverending wars.
Our jobs isn't to play judge and jury on who started it or who's "morally correct", since that's completely pointless by now.
If we let everyone swing back just because they felt attacked first, we'll just be here forever going on and on about the same thing, isntead of just doing whatever else we want to do (which for most people it's certainly not being stuck here).
So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

 

[CharaDotArchivist]

Clearly because you let a power tripping mod start shit with people can call them paedophiles over fiction and removed a manga you think its "problematic" no buddy we are going to make you a problem that wont go away unless you fix this shit and remove Neko from mod.

i assume from what bart has said (and this may sound crazy) but i think that is what they are TRYING to do

me when reading comprehension:

 

[Ixarabxi]

While irl what you mean about self-defense might be applied, on a forum this only turns into neverending wars.
Our jobs isn't to play judge and jury on who started it or who's "morally correct", since that's completely pointless by now.
If we let everyone swing back just because they felt attacked first, we'll just be here forever going on and on about the same thing, isntead of just doing whatever else we want to do (which for most people it's certainly not being stuck here).
So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

Amazing gaslighting and excuses only idiots will fall for.

You should be hired as hyponisis expert

 

[DavidianMillerian]

Amazing gaslighting and victim-blaming excuses.

You should be hired as hyponisis expert

I love these kinds of people that don't directly address the original argument made and just keep attacking the person making the argument while also providing a vague counterpoint with nothing to back them whatsoever.

Truly, our brightest minds.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Again this wasn't "just" a heated threat this was YOUR mod calling people paedophile over fictional manga character and a manga that is still unfairly removed by you guys and you refuse to own up and take some personal fucking responsibility and THAT is why we have a problem because YOU refuse to address it and give the manga that was removed back and give us a official apology thats all we ask and never do this kinda shit again because we are NOT going to let you get away with this shit.

Legal action will be applied if you do not give us what we want.

Alright, sure... we've certainly heard your stance on the removal and the conduct in this thread, and we're already looking into the itnernal side of things as I already mentioned. However, since this has shifted into a discussion of legal action and demands, I think we've reached the point where further back and fortch here isn't going to be productive for anyone...
So we're most likely just going to leave the official statement as it stands for now. If you feel like there's a legal issue, that's a matter for formal channels, but we won't be negotiating site policy or staff changes under these types of threats in a publicforum.

 

[Bartolumiu]

So far, I see from the DSAT side, the simplest way is remove Neko from the mod/admin position from MD (she can keep her in Comicola), that behaviour should be a Zero tolerant policies. We all grown up here, let people take responsibility for their action.

Then again, not my company, not my team, not my problem.

If this were a formal company then that'd most likely be the case, but this isn't the case for us, so we need go get bywith whatever we have right now...
On the other hand, I appreciate the feedback, and we'll be taking it into account in the future

 

[Pyoro]

so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution

When trying to move a discussion into a productive direction it's imo best not to argue about whether it should be productive, but to pro-actively just go ahead and provide something productive to debate. The moment you do people will move on and discuss it.

So what's the proposed "common solution"?

 

[Ixarabxi]

I love these kinds of people that don't directly address the original argument made and just keep attacking the person making the argument while also providing a vague counterpoint with nothing to back them whatsoever.

Truly, our brightest minds.

There is nothing to argue about it is very simple, the admin made stupid post.

And they are trying too hard to sweep it under the rug telling everyone else they are the problem.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Do you think everyone is an idiot? It’s clear you’re sweeping it under the rug.

I don't, but we just have a consistent policy of not airing staff disciplinary details in public threads.
I know it's probably not the answer some of you are looking for, but it's how we operate.
As I mentioned arleady a couple of times, the feedback has been noted, and the internal review is happening. Beyond that, there isn't much more we can say on the matter here.

 

[meccaflare]

So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

I think an easy first step is to rewrite rule 3.1.1. And make a public statement about the rule change. Again, as a scanlator, finding out from a thread that MD is stealth removing shit sucks.

“3.1.1 Illegal Content, in particular, child pornography, child abuse and drug abuse.”

The inclusion of “drug abuse” feels out of place and overly broad. Depictions of drug use are common across all forms of media... film, television, literature... and are often used to portray reality or explore serious themes. There isn’t a blanket law against fictional depictions of drug use. As written, the rule could technically apply to a wide range of mainstream works, including manga currently on the site. It should just be removed.

More broadly, the wording of 3.1.1 feels overly literal and ambiguous at the same time. It doesn’t clearly distinguish between real-world illegality and fictional depictions. Adding qualifiers like “non-fictional” or “real-world” where appropriate... or explicitly clarifying how fictional portrayals are treated... would remove a lot of confusion.

 

[Z3RYX]

@Bartolumiu Do you know if there's an ETA for when the staff team will actually officially address the issue (via announcement channels and not as replies in these threads)? We still don't have much transparency on the whole thing.

 

[ShujixXChise]

Alright, sure... we've certainly heard your stance on the removal and the conduct in this thread, and we're already looking into the itnernal side of things as I already mentioned. However, since this has shifted into a discussion of legal action and demands, I think we've reached the point where further back and fortch here isn't going to be productive for anyone...
So we're most likely just going to leave the official statement as it stands for now. If you feel like there's a legal issue, that's a matter for formal channels, but we won't be negotiating site policy or staff changes under these types of threats in a publicforum.

Do you understand THIS all could have been avoided if you put a lesh on your Neko mod and DIDN'T remove manga because because you think its "problematic" and we all could have keept reading our manga and gone on our merry way, understand WE were not the ones who started this, its you mods and you think you can brush us under the rug, no no i don't think so. All we want is to enjoy our manga in peace and NOT be called a paedophile over fiction thats it so you stop with the gaslighting and actually move forward to fixing this shit.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Amazing gaslighting and excuses only idiots will fall for.

You should be hired as hyponisis expert

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their mind on the situation, that's not what I'm trying to do at all...
And yes, I know not everyone is going to agree with the "both sides" approach of our internal policies, and that's completely fine, but since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

 

[Miros]

I understand why you're looking for a public "verdict" here, but we don't handle internal staff matters or disciplinary actions out in theopen.
Just because we're not posting a public list of punishments that doesn't mean the situation is being completely ignored or that the entire team shares one person's specific phrasing (in this case for example no one does, for pretty obvious reasons).
Right now we're trying to focus on fixing the tension in teh community and making sure our internal standards are met once again, but we won't be doing public "resignations" over a heated thread.

You seem to be a nice person so let me tell you this

the only thing that any mod will achieve here is get stray bullets, telling people to calm down now after they were straight up insulted after bringing criticism of a bad staff decision will only make thing worse

the only thing that will calm people down is either see the staff take some action or "Mrs inflammatory comment" to make a proper apology

 

[Blanc]

I don't, but we just have a consistent policy of not airing staff disciplinary details in public threads.
I know it's probably not the answer some of you are looking for, but it's how we operate.
As I mentioned arleady a couple of times, the feedback has been noted, and the internal review is happening. Beyond that, there isn't much more we can say on the matter here.

That good enough for me. Let see what you guys decision later on.

 

[Bartolumiu]

@Bartolumiu Do you know if there's an ETA for when the staff team will actually officially address the issue (via announcement channels and not as replies in these threads)? We still don't have much transparency on the whole thing.

Sadly there's not, and I don't have any useful info about it either

 

[roguezilla]

this is like the bronze age collapse

 

[Ixarabxi]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their mind on the situation, that's not what I'm trying to do at all...
And yes, I know not everyone is going to agree with the "both sides" approach of our internal policies, and that's completely fine, but since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

You love using the words "both sides" yet only targeting one and making excuses for the other.

 

[Bartolumiu]

You seem to be a nice person so let me tell you this

the only thing that any mod will achieve here is get stray bullets, telling people to calm down now after they were straight up insulted and after bringing criticism of a bad staff decision will only make thing worse

the only thing that will calm people is either see the staff take some action or "Mrs inflammatory comment" to make an proper apology

Appreciate the heads up
You're right that things aren't going to cool down instantly while the core issues are still being felt there.
Thanks for keeping it civil tho

 

[SasaBelphDeviluke]

Two of my recent uploads vanished (404 error when I click on the link posted elsewhere), you say you stop the deleted for now, but I can assume it’s not worth it to take time to upload there.

You can eventually restart to erase everything at any moment ?