Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Ch. 55 - I don't dislike that about him

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Mf got sniped and went:
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Good, nothing kills momentum then splitting up single chapters
 
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entering a race she cant win cos of the author is bs...
To this day I think about the fact we never learn ended with a "choose your own winner" with seperate continuites where each girl won and even one with the status quo continuing if you wanted that.
Never will we ever seen anything as satisfying as that ever again lol.
 
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This chapter looks like character growth on the surface, but when you take a closer look, nothing has really changed.

Right now, Hebikawa is simply someone who had a frightening experience and turned to the person she felt safest with. That's not character growth. That's a natural emotional reaction.

Real growth would mean recognizing that what she was doing was wrong, taking responsibility for it, and changing her behavior. None of that has happened yet. Her feelings may be new, but her plan is still there. Her worldview is still there. The fundamental conflict driving her character is still there.
Ok, hold your guns, tie your horses and calm your tits. How the fuck is she going to do "real growth" in the middle of a situation like a creep trying to assault her.

Whatever change that might happen will happen later and the crumbs to that path are being placed, her conversation with Keisuke is another crumb. It would be the biggest hack writing if she just did a 180 on her personality right now. No one expects that.
 
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This chapter looks like character growth on the surface, but when you take a closer look, nothing has really changed.


but some readers treat those flaws as depth rather than dysfunction.
"It isn't growth until you fix everything wrong with yourself"

Growth is a process not just the end result.

In writing character flaws are depth, yes.
 
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This is an amazing chapter, but if you showed someone these last few, they'd definitely think Hebikawa was the main girl, or at least that it was pure-harem with no main girl. Is that a good thing or not? I dunno, but I do like the snake, so...
 
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Ok, hold your guns, tie your horses and calm your tits. How the fuck is she going to do "real growth" in the middle of a situation like a creep trying to assault her.

Whatever change that might happen will happen later and the crumbs to that path are being placed, her conversation with Keisuke is another crumb. It would be the biggest hack writing if she just did a 180 on her personality right now. No one expects that.
Like I said to untruc, I can agree it's the first crack, something that could lead to growth later. What you're saying is also fair, but I'm not expecting a 180 or demanding immediate change. I'm just pushing back against people acting like she's already grown. The contradiction is there, but she hasn't actually dealt with it yet. That's the difference. The crumbs are being placed, but she still has to follow them. A couple of chapters ago, there were already people acting like it was a done deal.
 
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This chapter looks like character growth on the surface, but when you take a closer look, nothing has really changed.

Yes, Hebikawa called Keisuke for support. Yes, she's starting to realize she's developing feelings for him. Yes, Keisuke offered to be there for her. On the surface, all of that feels like progress.

But here's what's still missing: she hasn't abandoned her original plan. She hasn't thought, "I was wrong to think about using him." She hasn't realized that everything she's been doing so far has been wrong. At her core, nothing about her character has actually changed.

And let's not forget that she got herself out of a dangerous situation that she created. She knew exactly what kind of person she was dealing with. Keisuke had already stopped him once before. She admitted she knew he was a predator. Even so, she still chose to meet him, deliberately provoke him, and then coldly drop the act. Luckily, she got out unscathed.

Calling someone when you're scared is a moment of vulnerability. It isn't the same thing as growth. You can develop feelings for someone and still use them. You can trust someone in one moment and still manipulate them in the next.

Right now, Hebikawa is simply someone who had a frightening experience and turned to the person she felt safest with. That's not character growth. That's a natural emotional reaction.

Real growth would mean recognizing that what she was doing was wrong, taking responsibility for it, and changing her behavior. None of that has happened yet. Her feelings may be new, but her plan is still there. Her worldview is still there. The fundamental conflict driving her character is still there.

I think a lot of readers will treat this as though she's already changed, when in reality she hasn't even begun to. This chapter sets up the possibility of growth, but it isn't the growth itself.

The reason is simple: that's not what Hebikawa's character arc is about. If this were Kusunoki, whose arc revolves around self-understanding, an emotional realization like this could count as growth. But Hebikawa's arc is about accountability. It's about whether she'll recognize the harm she's causing, both to others and to herself, take responsibility for it, and choose to change. Until that happens, she hasn't grown. She's just had a moment.

Thanks for the chapter!
FACTS, OMG I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THIS W POST
 
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Like I said to untruc, I can agree it's the first crack, something that could lead to growth later. What you're saying is also fair, but I'm not expecting a 180 or demanding immediate change. I'm just pushing back against people acting like she's already grown. The contradiction is there, but she hasn't actually dealt with it yet. That's the difference. The crumbs are being placed, but she still has to follow them. A couple of chapters ago, there were already people acting like it was a done deal.
Sure, her own amoral worldview is being challenged by the circumstances and her relationship with Kusunoki and Keisuke, she is starting to realize that's not good. But no one in their right mind would say she has grown and changed for the better yet, specially not in the middle of the clusterfuck she is right now. Who are these people? xD
 
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Well, I understand why people find Hebikawa more interesting than Kusunoki. They say Kusunoki is boring and they are right. There is so much more to say about Hebikawa and she is the one putting the story in motion. But let's be honest, as the characters are right now, Hebikawa has more red flags than the CCP and any character developpement to make her a good love interest would be to make her closer to a "boring character" like Kusunoki is.

Remember that the reason why Hebikawa took an interest in Kusunoki is because she thinks that Kusunoki is playing a character of the honest, simple, pure girl. Kusunoki is like the idol that Hebikawa looked upon to when she was a kid. But this idol turned out to have her carreer destroyed by scandals because she was nothing like the pure image she looked like. The biggest character developpement Hebikawa can (95% will) have is when she realises that Kusunoki is honest and is the model Hebikawa dreamt to be as a little girl.

Hebikawa thinks that everybody plays a role and is trying to manipulate others. That's why she thinks what she does is OK. This time, she almost got burned, but kicking the guy in the nuts was only a short term solution. She doesn't want her mother, the school or her mother to be involved because it would make the situation out of her control. But right now, she doesn't control anything. If her mother's ex comes back with actuall ill intents against her, she will get into troubles she can't deal with.

Ironically, the reason why she trusts Keisuke is because he is the only one who knows who she actually is. So she can be honest with him, and because he is an actual good human being, he cares about her. So she is going to fall in love with the guy she threw away because she had nothing to gain by having him in her circle, but now, he is the only one she can count on.
 
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Wow you're really dragging it. Best in all of romcoms? Have you only read two manga ever? 😂
Nop already read lot of manga and especially too much romcoms.
And I wrote: "She could become" meaning its possible but it will be difficult cuz of the tropes.

Personally I think good character means depth and logic about their actions.
Its difficult to do cuz that means writting very carefully along the story but if well done its perfect such as Reiner from SNK or Subaru from Re:ZERO(almost all the characters tbh).

I genuinely think Hebikawa could be very well written considering all her past and actions but if she just becomes a second Kusunoki or/and love interest it would be sad very sad and shit writting.
Actually she is the only interesting character from that manga and watching cute couple or whatever begins to be a pain cuz Ive already saw that million times.
 
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Well, I understand why people find Hebikawa more interesting than Kusunoki. They say Kusunoki is boring and they are right. There is so much more to say about Hebikawa and she is the one putting the story in motion. But let's be honest, as the characters are right now, Hebikawa has more red flags than the CCP and any character developpement to make her a good love interest would be to make her closer to a "boring character" like Kusunoki is.
It's not just her flaws that make her more interesting than Kusunoki. If she were to become a serious and mutual love interest for Keisuke with character development, she'd still be more interesting than Kusunoki because she actually does stuff. Remember the beginning of the manga when she didn't actually remember him yet? She seemed to like him at the time, we can't say that it's just "why does this guy puke when i'm with him?", she actually acted interested (read the chapters again if you don't believe me). Back then, she actually did stuff to actively pursue him. She didn't plan on keeping it to the grave like Kusunoki. She didn't give weird mixed signals like the completely stereotypical tsundere Otobe did, whom Keisuke also currently has no romantical interest in (and i don't see how he would develop it either). She does stuff. She tries. Even if Kusunoki were to start doing things now, she's still too slow, she still falls far behind Hebikawa in how much effort she puts into romantic opportunities.

Edit: Though, this may also be a bit of a matter of preference, as it depends on whether you like a FMC who confidently teases the MC or the one that is shy, but i also think that a shy FMC can be done better than Kusunoki.
 
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Sure, her own amoral worldview is being challenged by the circumstances and her relationship with Kusunoki and Keisuke, she is starting to realize that's not good. But no one in their right mind would say she has grown and changed for the better yet, specially not in the middle of the clusterfuck she is right now. Who are these people? xD
People who put the cart before the horse. Because they "know" Hebikawa will change for the better, they act as if she already has. As a result, they treat all of her past and present wrongdoing as if it can already be disregarded, even though she hasn't even considered making amends yet. There are definitely people who think like that.
 

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