Akuyaku Reijou Level 99 ~Watashi wa Ura Boss desuga Maou de wa Arimasen~ - Ch. 25.3
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Yeah this is also an important distinction, however I wouldn't be surprised if are mutually exclusive to a high enough degree that saying "prejudice helped humans survive" is necessarily wrong.
I would agree that in our society prejudice is currently unnecessary or at most a net neutral between the societal harmony it improves and the individuals that are subjected to it's indiscriminate yet focused volatility. However the original commenter seems to refer to specifically in primitive communities and societies that would logically benefit to a degree from the instinct.
If they meant that it's still useful that would most definitively be incorrect.
"the world" here could refer to circumstances, or people in said world. Far too many things qualify for this context of being able to kill you, so think of "the world" as the english language's way of summing up "shit ton of things".
While there's room to argue whether discrimination is beneficial to establishing civilization (like how Singapore is carefully balancing the racial makeup of each housing sector), as a minority survivor of a racial (+religious) riot, I can attest to discrimination helping my family survive by making sure our neighborhood was predominantly the same race as us. Some of my relatives who lived in racially mixed neighborhoods weren't so lucky without the barbed wire walls and citizen militias that we had.
I hope one day we no longer need to rely on prejudice to coexist, but do not dismiss it lightly, otherwise you're forcing rapid change for a society that's not yet ready.
As mentioned by others above,
They're likely thinking of things akin to fear of the unknown and ways to avoid death in a time before we had human civilization as we know now (i.e. when we would be annihilated by other species because we didnt have a proper way to fight back). Its true that recognizing things that are dangerous helped us survive, thats just pattern recognition. However at a certain point it diverges into (harmful) stereotyping and discrimination, which is obviously not the best.
By "The world is actively trying to kill them" they are referring to the things in the world, such as poisonous plants or predators. A sorta "everythings out to get you".
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Your tribe survives because it doesn't trust the outside tribe that wants to bash you with a club and steal all of your shit.
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I remember something like the girl of light will be the 2nd strongest and backstab (quite literally) the protagonist
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It's not really even that complex. The "us vs them" or "in and out group" mentality is deeply rooted in basically every living thing that forms groups. It's not really pattern recognition, because pattern recognition is more logical, accurate, and helpful. This is full of biases we are both aware of and unaware of, superficial, and actively harmful to humanity (even in the stone ages). It's more fear and paranoia than anything. That's just it though, humans are irrational and self-interested. We fixate on superficial similarities and hyperfixate on superficial differences.
The most basic example (without using humans) is airplane crashes. Actual data shows that flying is the safest way to travel. It's far, far safer than driving a car. But people are more fearful of flying and it feels like the news has stories of bad plane crashes more often than car crashes. But none of that's real. That's not pattern recognition, it's the fact that Plane travel is other'd. You don't do it everyday and people don't have planes parked in their drive way. People encounter flying less so they are more weary of it. People know less about the act of flying a plane (they don't fly planes), so they are more weary about it. In fact it's that they don't see the pattern that makes people more predisposed to fear flying. People fade news about car crashes into the background. It happens so frequently and it's using a vehicle that's so common, that no one bats an eyelash when it happens. Plane crashes are less common and so we notice more when they happen and the fact that the vehicle itself is less common makes us more suspicious about their safety. It's not about what's safe vs what's harmful to us; it's about what we're familiar with.
Saying the world is out to get us is the dumbest BS. The world isn't out to get anyone. The world doesn't give a crap, but more than that the world is a freaking miracle that enables life on our planet. A fact that isn't easily replicated. Yeah, there's poisonous plants, but there's also medicinal plants and herbs. However, beyond that none of those plants will actively try to harm anyone. They don't have legs. The world isn't out to get anyone specifically or a species. All things are just trying to protect themselves against being eaten. It's not that things have diverged, it's that nothing has changed. The core is fear. We form our groups and then everything else is the enemy. It doesn't matter if people inside the group harms us because we spend everyday with them. We'll punish them and then brush it off. Any outsider however is kill on sight. Not because we sat down with them, spent years in their group, and then ran the numbers about if they pass a percent chance to harm us. Because they are in a different group from us and unknowns bring danger.
In society & civilization this manifests differently for so many different reasons and in so many different ways and they'd all really require sociological and psychological studying. It is interesting study. For in & out groups to be such a strong phenomena, it has to be that there's a deep tribal culture in our species regions. Likely it's just that humans couldn't survive on their own. Regardless they formed in and out groups and we haven't really been able to grow past that.
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I guess we can expect 6 months worth of translation in the next days
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a whole one (1) more chapter, because that's all that's available before we catch back up with the raws...
Afaik each adaptation went for a different ending
In that timeline, the training montage the heroine underwent was being actively chased through the dungeon by the dolk, to the point that it was no different from a torture to her, and this ended up traumatising her so much that her going for a backstab at that critical moment was understandable if not warranted.
Obviously in this timeline, the training arc went a lot more positively, and so we are in a timeline where the herioine backstabbing the dolk is much less likely to happen
Obviously in this timeline, the training arc went a lot more positively, and so we are in a timeline where the herioine backstabbing the dolk is much less likely to happen
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If they're arguing that prejudice has historical import for the human species at a developmental point hundreds of thousands of years in the past, then it's arguing the most pedantic point possible to ends that I'm not sure I want to try and examine.
Prejudice, as people today understand and regularly interact with it, is arguably unneeded and actively detrimental to societal progression and the well-being of populations of people. It's the preconceived notions and presumptions about others based on superficial observations that allows for bigotry and personal & systemic discrimination.
Countering that inarguable fact with "yeah but when there were multiple species of humans running around as hunter/gatherer tribes, it helped them survive" just sounds asinine, because no one here would reasonably expect that to actually matter in the face of contemporary society, and the fact that the manga we're here to discuss isn't dealing with that sort of reality whatsoever.
And the manga itself is presenting prejudice as objectively bad within the framework of its setting and narrative composition.
That other person going "well acktually" starts sounding problematic, the more they're allowed to shift the focus of the conversation away from what's actually relevant and topical."
Like, they themselves reference how discrimination "helped" during a race riot, while seemingly glossing over how prejudice would also be part of the reason the riot happened and subsequent need for protection was necessary. So is prejudice a critical component for the human species, or is it actually the root of the problem with knock-on effects?
Them not focusing on that side of it, to whatever end, makes me question their position all the more.
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But that's not the same thing as discrimination. It's caution. You don't need to invent a discriminatory mythology about strangers to know you should be cautious of them. While discrimination/caution can protect you from an aggressive outside group, it can also aggravate a peaceful outside group. In that case, discrimination would harm the group.
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