Concerning the US Protests and Our Rules

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When white people protesting for stores to open back up, were armed and spit in cops’ faces at the White House, trump described them as ‘very good people’. The protesters for the blm, police brutality etc. are referred to as ‘thugs’ by him.
So trump is advancing his favored narrative, just like the media with the "largely peaceful" protesters.

Ever thought about why you're assigning skin color prior to action/activity? Why is it more prudent than choice taken?
 
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@uhuh B-But Venezuela is the best country in the world....

And the goverment care about the citizens
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Those are some pretty extraordinary claims in my opinion. I think that there needs to be some damn good evidence to suggest that the rioting and looting was carried out by mostly undercover police officers, because that's a pretty hefty accusation to just levy out offhandedly.

I suppose what I disagree most with about your post is the framing because it depicts everything as much more simplistic then it otherwise would be. I don't think the majority of cops are bad people just like I don't think the majority of protesters are bad people, however there are a small minority that will do bad things. Most of the phenomena you described seems easily explained by social psychology, with examples being "blue wall of silence" being easily explained with ingroup/outgroup biases, as similar things happen to soldiers during war time and the idea of protecting one's own. It's an evolutionary adaptation that humans have to work against, but it will show up occasionally and it's extremely difficult to avoid.

Additionally, I don't like the framing that all protests are just as non-violent, or that they were both mono-racial. I'm almost certain plenty of black people protested against Quarantine just as there are plenty of white people protesting against the police. However, it's quite possible some of the ownance lies on the fact that there is undeniably large amounts of violence going on with looting and riots plaguing some of the larger cities. Undermanned and overworked police forces are probably undersupplied due to the Quarantine slowing down the economy and stretched thin. It's a recipe for extreme stress and anxiety, and when people are so anti-police and have signs that say things like "death to all pigs" and "all cops are corrupt," it's no wonder that at some point someone may snap. (They are not justified in doing so, and they should be held accountable for their actions, but it's not out of maliciousness or the intention to cause harm.) The fact they are already facing so many factors could be why they can't offer support to protect protesters (Assuming that what you claim is true, which I'd need evidence for and not anecdotes.)

Aside from all of that, It seems to me that your claims have a severe lack of evidence, and that it seems unlikely that there's some grand conspiracy of racism or that they're intentionally trying to cover up bad behavior en masse and these aren't the cases of individuals who are corrupt who need to be checked by internal affairs. Never attribute to malice what can more easily be attributed to negligence or stupidity, and I feel that a lot of poor decisions made by cops could be described in this way instead of as intentional and seeking to provoke unrest, which is antithetical to their jobs.
 
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I’m sorry for this comment. I do not mean to generalize skin color with beliefs and choices.

Despite this, I want to point out that there is a certain demographic within certain protests that can be seen in both age, race, etc. Of course in both there are a variety of races, but that is seen much more in the latter protests compared to the former. Trump knows that he targets a certain audience of supporters with this, so he downplays his favored audience’s protests.

There are multiple recording online showing police attacking the protestors for police brutality unprovoked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4f4dXXbfEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI6NKjsIxeg

You can find more on YouTube, tiktok, Twitter, etc. It’s not as if the report on these videos and the report of the media are completely unbiased, but the video evidence itself should tell you what you need to know. Not like it’s surprising to see Trump doing this for his preferred narrative, but I think it tells at least a little about his view on who and what are involved within the protests, and many of his supporters tend to reflect those ideas and beliefs.
 
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@Tamerlane

Thank you for pointing this out to me. I think I’m likely too caught up in the political area of social media, and I wrote the post in a very upset and emotional rant. I still believe the majority of the claims I made to be at least partially true, but I needed a kind of reality-check and a do-your-research reply.

Anyways I’m going to try and do more research on the issue because I feel I’m still misinformed on claims, evidence and such.
 
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The problem lies where police labor unions cover for each other and always suspend on paid leave/shuffle around whenever police brutality occurs. I mean a cop bashes in an old guys head, and the rest of the team resigns bc they think the cop was treated unfairly for being suspended after the fact. Police can barely be held accountable for their actions when they always give themselves slaps on the wrist and back to a different department the next day.
 
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Firstly, listen to this guy saying " It was the happiest year of my life when I worked for the Nazis" : https://www.bitchute.com/video/aqD9qC2O3pqG/
This mans name is George Soros, a billionaire Nazi.

Within a lot of these protests/riots are sub-groups that are not affiliated with peaceful people (cops included). They all have that one thing in common though, that sweet sweet George Soros money.

One of these groups (Antifa) paying people and directing them what to destroy:
https://twitter.com/TKQ1777/status/1266941688972378113

If you think it's fine for a white guy to pay black youths to go and destroy things, ask yourself why and to what end? Iit wouldn't surprise me if they encourage them to cause trouble hoping that trouble finds them (for the narrative).

They love it the most when it's a white person killing a black person. The evidence of this? Look at Chicago, it's a mess for gang crime, not to mention the murders that have been committed by "protesters" which get no coverage because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Don't just look at what's on the surface, it isn't just black and white, or you're either for my side or you're a racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic. Don't just believe the mainstream narrative just because it's easy to hate.
 
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I tend to stay away from politics because 1 I hate it and 2 I think that sometimes they are complete BS.
 
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Heh, some /pol/tard actually posted about Soros. 😂



Anyways, about these bailed out arsonists that someone ranted two pages ago. I think I found them.
There were two New York Ivy League lawyers who threw Molotov cocktail into police cars, no one was injured. They were arrested and released on $250,000 bail each (no mention of bail funds). This decision was reversed on Friday and they went back to jail. Full story so far on The New York Times. Kinda sad, if anything. The guy lost his job and had dependents, then this shit happened. Sometimes escapism is the best decision one can make.
 
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@Tamerlane I see at least three related questions. There is the question of whether police officers are bad people, the question of whether there is some sort of conspiracy to use the police for racist purposes, and in my opinion most important is the question of what the police are, more broadly, for--what is their function?

As individuals, many police officers are perfectly decent people, although I wouldn't go so far as to say the ratio of nice to nasty is identical to what you'd find in all other professions. Just as slimy opportunists tend to gravitate to politics, and caring people are more likely to go into nursing, certain types are attracted to policing. In the case of policing I'd say there are two distinct types who are overrepresented: The kind who genuinely, at least in the beginning, want to serve and protect while having a kind of exciting life . . . and the bullies, who really like the idea of being able to give people orders and push them down on their face in the concrete. And there has always been, and in recent years it has become organized and there is copious direct evidence of this, a push by the racist right to have their members join the police in an attempt to influence policing, which has had some success. Nonetheless, none of those tendencies overwhelm the general averageness of people IMO; perhaps more important is acculturation, where people adapt to their surroundings and start acting the way the local culture acts and to some extent thinking the way the local culture thinks. This has led to some really rotten police forces and others which are closer to trying to do their best.

Well, going a bit broader . . . on the question of whether policing in the United States has anything to do with some sort of conspiracy to keep down blacks. Well, structurally it seems to operate to a fair extent as if that was the purpose, but that's not evidence of conspiracy. The vast expansion in policing, jail and so forth in the United States was accelerated by presidents and congress/senate votes with support both Republican and Democrat. Reagan famously pushed the "war on drugs", but Clinton also was very much into the "tough on crime" schtick, and Joe Biden shepherded draconian crime bills through, and there were plenty of other players, some obviously and strongly racist a la Strom Thurmond, others not. Reagan and Biden are/were probably somewhat personally racist, but Clinton seems to have pushed this stuff almost purely out of considerations of political gain.
But none of them started the push to increase policing and expand the prison population--that was Richard Nixon. And about Richard Nixon we know why he did it, because of all his tapes. And Richard Milhous Nixon said on tape that the point of pushing for increased incarceration was to get the blacks without looking like they were getting the blacks. So he genuinely was conspiring. Meanwhile, we also know thanks to the Church committee that the FBI was indeed making concerted efforts to undermine black people; the most famous example is their definite spying on, harassment, threats to and probable assassination of Martin Luther King, but we know it was vastly more widespread than that . . . and many, many files remain secret. Now the FBI sounds like three letters, but it is after all the federal police of the United States, and there's no real evidence that it changed its modus operandi afterwards, and plenty of indications that it didn't. So yes, there is some evidence that important elements of law enforcement and executive power in the United States have conspired against the US black community.

In many ways though, to me structural issues are more important. If the overall role of the police in society lends itself towards functional racism, conspiracies are likely to be unnecessary to get it to work that way, while if the overall role of police in society lends itself to enforcing racial equality, conspiracies would likely be insufficient to make it racist. So what are the police primarily for?

The police are for protecting property and its owners, as against those who don't have much. The more the property is worth, the more it is their job to protect it. And the more poor there are, and the poorer they are, the greater the degree to which their job is suppression rather than "serve and protect". The police are fundamentally there to protect the upper classes and the prosperous middle class (that is, me) against the unwashed hordes. One way you can see that this is the case is the inverse correlation between the size of a country's social safety net, the strength of its welfare state, and the size of its policing function and amount of incarceration. Countries with strong social safety nets, cheap education etc. put few people in jail. The US of course is an outlier--the land of the free puts, per capita, 6 times as many people in jail as Canada and 10 times as many as Denmark. Cops beating people down is one of the prices the United States pays for having as much inequality as it does; or rather, it's one of the ways the United States maintains that inequality, stops it from leading to mass political action by the poor.
So of course that function by itself would lead to the police beating down black people more than white people, in a completely colour-blind way, just because black people average poorer. And beating down Latinos more than whites but less than blacks, because they're poorer than whites but not as poor as blacks. But I would say that in the US, partly for historical reasons but not entirely, there is more to it than that. If the beneficiaries of inequality (ie the rich) want to stay that way, they need to grapple with the problem that there aren't very many of them. There are a lot more poor people, and still more than that who, while not poor as such, would probably be better off if the very rich were a lot less rich. If all those people decided they were on one side and the rich on the other, things could change pretty damn fast. So it's absolutely important to keep all those people from realizing they are on the same side. Divide and rule, older than the Roman empire. In the United States, one of the key ways to do that has been racism. W.E.B. du Bois said that the poorer end of the whites was given a "psychological wage of whiteness"--they might not have a lot of money, but at least they got to lord it over blacks. One manifestation of that is differential policing; even poor white people get treated better by the police than blacks, get something resembling a presumption that they are genuine citizens who might not be criminals, where blacks are generally assumed to be worthless criminals up to no good. And while the poor whites don't really think about the better treatment they get, any more than middle class and higher whites think about the frame they see of police, as fairly polite people there to protect them, what the poor whites do internalize is the day-to-day media crime reportage based on that police attitude, so they get to absorb a frame in which "black == criminal, not like me", and so by implication "even if I have nothing else going for me, at least I'm better, and better off, than that media black figure because I'm white". So the psychological wages of whiteness, a sort of replacement for any real benefit and simultaneously a tool for preventing cross-race organizing, is still a piece of the puzzle. Of course the division doesn't have to be, and isn't only, black vs. white; for instance, there's currently a push to make it local vs. immigrant, but it's all the same divide and rule.

So yeah. Blacks experience the police as a hostile occupying force which is there to keep them ground down. That is because the police, and perhaps even more the court and prison system, are a hostile occupying force there to keep them ground down, even if most individual police officers are not aware of that and might even be unhappy about it if they were. Prosperous whites don't notice because it doesn't happen to us and generally not in front of us. This can probably not be really changed unless the United States changes its political/economic course significantly, to the point of creating a strong welfare state and drastically reducing inequality generally, not just for blacks in particular. In my country of Canada we have the same tendencies, if less pronounced, and those tendencies have gotten stronger ever since the 80s when we started cutting welfare, social housing, education and health care (if not as much as the US).
 
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All lives matter... but let's not remove anti-white messages on social media and cover up crimes against whites. There sure are a lot of coincidences these days. 😃
 
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@Skuzze When he said it's an exhilarating experience to work with the Germans, I get the impression he's doing it just to quench and cultivate his psychopathic personality not just merely working with them as some hired brigand. And considering his background he's only doing so to make the Germans think he's not actually a closet left winger, killing his own people won't even disturb him one bit. Furthermore, if he really was a National Socialist some people claim he is, just the act of killing people for sport will end up with him getting executed, nor would he even work for the rothschilds, much less do the evil nasty things he has ever done to this planet in the first place.

@kawaiidogkittyq Those two videos do appear to show police brutality, the problem is that the cops on the video are from cities run by democrats, not to mention the reporters are of the mainstream variety, the side who support the protesters and are vehemently anti-American who support antifa and blm. And claiming about cops posing as undercover protesters to cause mayhem on a country wide scale not only is it simply too far out there even for crooked cops, it's also notably biased and a 'very convenient' piece of narrative in favor towards the rioters and out-of-state anarchists.

To sum up this thread; Hopefully the Police (who are not pro-democrats), and the National Guard can finally put this insurrection to rest.
The rioters causing destruction, those millionaires from hollywood and elsewhere who donated to them so they can bail out arrested felons and looters, the MSM media supporting them through propaganda, and the word wizards of social media who use -isms and -phobes to guilt trip and gaslight people into complying with the rioters. They can all go to hell.
 
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All lives matter... But let's not withdraw troops from middle east, non US citizen are definitely not alive human beings. /s
 
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I mostly agree with the first half. (I have my criticisms of the CIA and the FBI myself in some regards)

Really, I think that most of the issues like crime rate and poverty can be solved with the legalization of certain drugs and the decriminalization of others, as well as efforts to increase a sense of self-reliance rather than looking for others to come in to solve one's problems. (For instance, people with external loci of control tend to be less successful than those with an internal locus of control, so promoting an idea in the black community of being in control of one own's destiny in black youths would probably both help with the poverty issue and lead to more success overall.)

All the issues really I think are more class-based issues more than racial issues in themselves, as you tend not to see the rich or upperclass having to face these issues, and most of the people cited as victims of police brutality are from lower-class households. Part of this is because poorer people have less access to resources and so turn to alternative means of getting them, or are raised in a culture where such activities are common and so are encouraged to engage by their peers. So means to decrease poverty should be the focus as it helps more people and not just the black community.

Another issue would be fatherlessness, partially due to the war on drugs, partially due to poverty leading to poorer education and more risky behaviors. People who don't live in two parent households tend not to earn as much as those that do simply because two people are able to bring home the bacon and provide resources. Additionally, higher incarceration rates means these households typically lack either their fathers-because men tend to commit more crimes that would lead to prolonged incarceration-or both leading to children being raised in foster care which tends to be even worse. Decimalization would lead to more men being around and legalization would improve the economy due to increased consumption from goods imported. Additionally, promotion of proper education, teaching of consequence-based thinking and long-term planning would greatly help, as people use more contraception and have less children out of wedlock. This would not only produce a more psychologically healthy generation of poor communities, specifically of men, but would reduce delinquency and crime.

(I should mention about inequality-economists tend not to think of inequality, itself, as an issue as much as one group not experiencing economic growth, or the ability to both produce and consume more resources. Whether one person has more resources than another itself isn't so much of the issue as someone's lack of resources, so if everyone in an economy can steadily grow over time and be able to increase the amounts of resources they can consume and produce, then both of their fundamental needs will be met eventually. It's a tangent, but it's worth mentioning because when I learned this in my economics classes it kinda reforged who I thought about poverty in general.)

The problem I think people have is that all these processes are slow and would happen over long periods of time and people tend to want immediate answers, which is not how the world or economics works. Even generations after the civil war and the civil rights movement, there are still economic echoes that will probably only be solved with time so long as these communities see continued economic growth.

I'll also throw in my two cents in that what probably is happening is that because of the higher poverty rate, police spend more time in poorer community which just so happen to be black, and the human-mind tends to want to recognize patterns. It's sampling bias more than anything leading to stereotypes and assumptions. It's not outwardly malicious but it's bound to happen at times. I wouldn't call this intentional racism or institutional racism but merely accidental affects due to how people work. I'd say the best solution would be to increase community interactions with officers and to establish a close-knit relationship between civilians and officers so there is mutual respect on both sides and people don't tend to jump the gun. I think this is what DuBois was describing, and he just put it into racial framing when what better fits is the faults of human psychology and our habits to seek structure or order and make associations and correlations that aren't necessarily there without proving a causation.

But that's my braingasm of the day, there's probably I have more I'd want to address but we've both wrote miniature novels at this point so I'll need to read some manga where dumb things happen to laugh at, brb.
 
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I'm not from the US so i understand if MD wants to be neutral.. but also kinda upset because that means MD doesnt really care about hate crimes to black communities 😔

sorry if my english is bad

edit: i came from indonesia and i understand how frustrated black people is... its the same for Papuans or other aboriginal ethnicities here in Indonesia since racism still privalent everywhere in the country
 
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Not really what's going on here. @paradisofinder


Mangadex being neutral is more or less saying that they will not pick a side as an organization because it is unrelated to their duty to provide manga.

It's not quite as simple as "for/against racism," because the situation in the US is quite complicated with many good and bad people on all sides. Basically, between looting, rioting, police brutality and constant anxiety and tension, it seems that there really isn't a clear side to take, and there's not a simple answer to be found that won't leave someone pissed off or dissatisfied.

It doesn't really have to do with hate crimes specifically, but the role of mangadex and how it should be a neutral party that's uninvolved in all of this. Hell, what happened in the US with the case of George Floyd has yet to be known if it is a hate crime because the culprits have yet to be tried, so we can't say for certain motives or rationale.
 
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Couldn't care less gang checking in, thanks for keeping the American drama out of manga discussions and chapters. Would've been better if you banned talking about it altogether though. The amount of whining and self-victimization spreading on the internet lately is pathetic.
 
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Bad idea, it would just make it spread to other threads and be impossible to properly regulate @Lord_Hentai


Plus MORE censorship is the last thing I'd want
 
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