Dainana Maouji Jilbagias no Maou Keikokuki - Ch. 16.2

[DLRevan]

To hopefully clear up the ambiguity, "may be only split if x" does not mean "must remain split in all cases", neither on its face nor by implication. There is no rule preventing recombination of these kinds of publisher-split web chapters. In fact, in many cases it's preferred though not required, for fairly obvious reasons.

We don't consider this as arbitrary combining in the sense of what 3.2.1 is meant to prohibit, because these kinds of split chapters are typically also released as whole ones in other mediums (magazines, volumes) — that's kind of the point of the split decimal numbering in the first place.


I'm repeating my previous point, but few if any manga are actually structured like this from the start. It's more a consequence of certain (web) release platforms staggering the releases compared to what the original compiled work is intended to be, as indicated by the chapter numbering.

In short, these kinds of split chapters are allowed to be released split first, combined first, or recombined later.

Then either 3.2.1 should be made clearer on what constitutes a chapter, or an additional point should be added that unambiguously addresses sub-chapters. Furthermore 3.2.2 should also be edited. "Chapters that have been split up by the scanlators for any other reason may be recombined into singular whole chapters." This sets the case for "any other reason", implying that if the reason is that the source was also split, then it should not be recombined.

Until and unless the chapters have already been collated into tanks or something, which they usually aren't on first release, you're basically saying the group gets to exercise their own judgement as to what's a chapter, which doesn't make sense to the spirit of the rule of respecting chapters. Some mangaka treat sub-chapters as "chapters" with a proper front and end, some don't. Different groups have different opinions. The one unambiguous thing about source sub-chapters is they are released separately. This is what the uploads here should follow. Or else your rules are pretty weak, they are open to arbitrary compliance.

But that's my opinion. Clearly you don't agree, so at the least, the rules need to be clearer, because it's obvious a majority here understand it the way I do.

Despite all I've said, I also ultimately don't give that much of a whit about those rules, and I don't think most here do either. This was about an entitled fellow making a fool of themselves by acting like a demanding beggar. I get that nobody engaged in disallowed conduct, even when acting like that...but if you don't mind me saying, just feels a little disappointing to see staff only chastise posters on my side of the discussion.

The main complaint about the split this time is the timeframe of the uploads, they were uploaded so close together that they could have just uploaded it as one chapter.

I've seen this group face accusations that they hold back releases when they upload sometimes all at once. You just can't win.

There's a third part to this chapter 16 anyway. If you include all of these sub chapters this time, they're released over a few days. Where do you draw the line, where on one hand they hold back the parts they already finished versus releasing them as they finish them? Seems really silly to even try and make a distinction to me. But as above, the real damn point is not even that. It's the behavior.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

The rules are not that unclear if one is not pedantic. Uploaders can't split chapters arbitrarily, because it's shitty experience for readers, and chapters split by publisher's fuckery can remain split or combined, whatever the scanlators choose, because the split is not their fault in such case. As long as on accepts that split chapters are generally bad, since they interrupt the flow, then the rules as written make sense.

As for releasing several chapters at once, not only it's completely different scenario from split chapters, since there is rarely any reason to not upload finished complete chapter, but also if there is legit reason I rarely saw readers complaining, like where one chapter ended in cliffhanger so scanlator choose to wait and release two at once, people were happy in comments.

 

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but if you don't mind me saying, just feels a little disappointing to see staff only chastise posters on my side of the discussion.

We are not punishing anyone in this discussion other than @Sutatekken9169 who posted fake rules. You three were warned because your comments directly or indirectly referenced those fake rules

 

[fight2live]

bro destroyed him with facts and logic

 

[nueee]

Thank you

 

[DLRevan]

We are not punishing anyone in this discussion other than @Sutatekken9169 who posted fake rules. You three were warned because your comments directly or indirectly referenced those fake rules

And not the troll, who caused this in the first place. What a great place to be. I did not even look at the rules that person posted, I had always looked at the original set. I'm only finding out now they faked the rules. I even said the person should go look at the rules themselves on the site. If I was banking on fake rules, would defeat the purpose wouldn't it.

All I am seeing is the staff getting in a tizzy over their own unclear rules, punishing (or warning, whatever) people who they arbitrary associated together, and letting objectionable (if not strictly disallowed by the rules) behavior fester. That remains highly disappointing. Meanwhile that same person feels validated in the next chapter's comments.

The rules are not that unclear if one is not pedantic. Uploaders can't split chapters arbitrarily, because it's shitty experience for readers, and chapters split by publisher's fuckery can remain split or combined, whatever the scanlators choose, because the split is not their fault in such case. As long as on accepts that split chapters are generally bad, since they interrupt the flow, then the rules as written make sense.

As for releasing several chapters at once, not only it's completely different scenario from split chapters, since there is rarely any reason to not upload finished complete chapter, but also if there is legit reason I rarely saw readers complaining, like where one chapter ended in cliffhanger so scanlator choose to wait and release two at once, people were happy in comments.

You're basically saying its down to what the scanlators and readers feel is acceptable, except the readers don't actually have any say because they're not the ones releasing it. So the rules are effectively useless, because they allow for arbitrary action and interpretation, and only by the groups. Regardless, there's still no reason not to make things clearer. Certainly the staff appear to have a very fixed idea in mind about the intent of these rules, and want to protect that over actually dealing with trolls and miscreants.

Whatever. All I get from this is why these forums seem to have so many entitled little trolls and drawn out arguments over nothing. I'm aware of the irony of my own posts on this issue as well as my criticism of MD which is a free site. But it seems this kind of conduct is just par for the course for this forum. If mangadex wasn't free of ads I would have accused the staff of simply caring only about farming scans.

 

[AlvoradaGD]

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