Darenidemo Dekiru Kage Kara Tasukeru Mao Tobatsu - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

[kwendy]

@Baysiri To monsters or to characters?
Speaking of monsters, it's reasonable to expect otherworlder to see no difference between them.

 

[YamiryuuZero]

I don't feel any sympathy for the priest. Had he stated his true level and thoughts, the hero might have decided to let him stay in the party.
But instead, he decided to keep everyone in the dark about his motivations and true dangers, tried to manipulate the party into following his plans and now is suffering the consequences.

The hero isn't an idiot, he's naive. But instead of fixing his naivety, the priest decides to take a shady path. The hero realizes this and kicks him out of the party.
If I were the hero, I would probably have dealt with the situation in a similar fashion. What's the point of keeping in your party someone you find suspicious?

As the adult here, the priest was the one supposed to gain the kid's trust and guide them the right path. He kept every important information to himself and did things behind their backs.

 

[Baysiri]

@kwendy Both.
Otherworlder or not, any organism is going to be more favorable to its own species than to another species.

 

[kwendy]

@Baysiri Hero being the same species? That's rich.

 

[Baysiri]

@kwendy Are you implying that the hero isn't a human?

 

[kwendy]

@Baysiri Real life and high fantasy heroes are, but isekai and legendary heroes are spiritual abominations as close to local understanding of humanity as fairies or demons.

 

[Arythazin]

@daxrocket Is he under orders from the church to not reveal his strength to the party? I thought that was his own decision.

 

[Grye]

wat

 

[YueEr]

@Arythazin I'm pretty sure it was his own decision. My guess is he didn't want to be revered. His mission is to guide the hero and make him able to operate independently. His level

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93

, is insanely high, even for people in the world. So for people in the know (like the two girl companions) they might revere him and make them too reliant on him bailing them out of trouble. Also, based on the idiotic hero's "sense of justice", the hero may even be stupid and take on anything he thinks the MC can handle" because he is part of the hero's party.

 

[stilgar]

@daxrocket when he said his level was 3

 

[stilgar]

@Goldenzeal he already lied to them from the start when he said his level was 3. That made him well below even the one with the lowest level and made it seem his only use was healing. If he would have said he was a higher level but not too high they wouldn't have been able to kick him out of the party as easily as they did. Also, they might have taken his advise more serious than they did

 

[Baysiri]

@kwendy Besides the fact that you have no proof that the characters in this manga view heros as such, nor the fact that it's from the hero's perspective looking out rather than the other character's look in to the hero; the hero, as a conscious organism, would still lean more towards the morality of caring about creatures that are akin to what they are, which would be a humaniod.

 

[Namwal]

I just realized, doesn't he say that parents will help there kids to atleast level 5 yet he told the hero party he is only a level 3 as an adult...

 

[Goldenzeal]

@stilgar

Yes he lied to them, but the fact that they don´t know that was the point i was trying to get across.
It would have been bad if they found out he was not telling the truth from the start.
And while he could have said he was a higher level then them so they would have taken him more seriously, he avoided doing just that for reasons that was explained back when they meet up.

Really at the end of all this, the hero is to blame for pretty much everything.
His level being higher would not have been a reason to keep him on the team longer regardless as they are expected to grow into the position.
And also the hero would just use another reason to kick him out anyway.

 

[stilgar]

@Goldenzeal how would telling them that he was like 3 levels highers than the person with the highest level from the start cause them to find out he was lying? And the reason he said he had a low level was because his real level is absurdly high. saying he is level 23 would have been perfectly reasonable. That level would have kept them from relying solely on him and would have made him seem useful. Saying he was level three made him look like dead weight especially after he told the hero that they can also learn healing magic. And I know the hero would still have kicked him out but they might have kept him around a little longer if he wouldn't have said his level was laughably low

 

[Kurovah]

- gets sick in carriages.
- androphobia.
- the mention of prayers working in this world.
-doesn't want to "bully the weak" so to speak.

My guess is that the hero was a slave in their world. And lived a very hard life being passed back and forth between slave owners (who of course, were men).

 

[kwendy]

@Baysiri By the logic of treatment relative to others hero in this story is definetely gets different treatment then locals by merit of being "indispencible", while priest stated other in the party - including himself - are replacable and such related himself to everyone in the world but hero. By the logic of people relating to those closer to themselves hero demonstrated he does not see local people and monsters (wooden dragon) as something of drastically diferent value provided they don't pose imminent threat.
And what do you mean "no proof"? With all the usual summoned hero flare heroes are basically honored as something out of this world... Erm... Something else XD

 

[Baysiri]

@kwendy We're getting extremely off topic here.
This stems from your comment of "speaking of monsters, it's reasonable to expect otherworlder to see no difference between them."
Whereas my argument is that creatures are more inclined to favor their own species and/or species similar to them - in this case being other humanoids. We're discussing under what basis do you present that it's reasonable for the hero to see no difference between them, as opposed to the hero just being a moron just like they are with everything else they do.

 

[kwendy]

@Baysiri Under the basis of everything from that world - humanoid or not - being alien for someone from different world.
Also people don't seem to mind horns and cat ears on anime-girls.

 

[Niralam]

Aww come on. Really? Is the hero about to be rewarded for his dumbassery with a new monster girl partner. Also the priest is just as stupid. Why not just reveal his true power. Sure he doesn’t want them to depend on him. But who cares just help them level up quick. An unskilled strong person is probably more desirable than a skilled weak person.