Hajirau Kimi ga Mitainda - Ch. 68.2 - Midnight Lily Garden

[Mordenheim]

Ekoda asked Shirasawa, but did he respond?



Let me clarify. So, according to these definitions and your broad understanding of drugging someone, are you suggesting that if I were to give someone a coffee, for instance, I am drugging them? After all, caffeine is a diuretic.

Yes, he did, in non verbal fashion.

You are trying a strawman here. Anything, which affects your mental and/or physiological state is a drug. It's simple as that. Plus, the coffee is really bad example because it affects the subjects mental state.

Those are very different in tone:

• Teachers were not only cheating, but dumb enough to do it at school, so why should readers care about them
• Like Schernobyl wrote, Kaho was just getting back at Shirasawa for doing same to him. It was two confused virgin kids not getting consent perfectly right in their first messy relationship, not kid that first time tasted alcohol and ten year older adult. Similarly in this chapter, Kaho kissing her sister when she thought it was Shirosawa is in a way karma for sister trying to do the same to Shirosawa, pretending to be Kaho. Since all involved are dumb kids (sister despite formally being adult is the least grown-up), and their misbehaviors are smaller and on similar level, it has completely different mood from sister's molesters joking about cumming on her legs.
• Your definition literally lists at 2b "any substance used in treatment of prevention of disease", so he would "drug" her if he gave her cough drops. You're clearly being disingenuous here by trying to conflate the meanings to make it seem scarier.
• Selling underwear had only few scary panels, then they escaped, making a fool of the angry wannabe rapist, and Kaho getting excited from this just served to make her look crazy in good way, since she was shown horny after she was clearly safe. In contrast, the molesters at Kaho's sister workplace are getting away with everything, and she's the one who's made to look like fool

You are missing my point, the manga didn't care about the 'seriousness of the theme' it simply went with 'absurdity' of it.

 

[Litreara]

Yes, he did, in non verbal fashion.

Sure... I find it interesting how you're selective about these things. On one hand, you claim that giving someone diuretic tea is akin to drugging them, yet on the other hand, you argue that having sex with a minor who is clearly intoxicated and unable to give meaningful consent is not considered rape.

You are trying a strawman here. Anything, which affects your mental and/or physiological state is a drug. It's simple as that. Plus, the coffee is really bad example because it affects the subjects mental state.

No, I'm not. A strawman argument occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person's argument to make it easier to attack or refute. In my statement, there is no misrepresentation or exaggeration of your position (especially since you didn't argue; you simply posted dictionary definitions). Instead, what I said is a genuine inquiry seeking clarification about whether giving someone coffee could be considered "drugging" them based on the definitions and your understanding of what constitutes drugging someone, especially considering caffeine's properties as a diuretic.

 

[Grye]

What in the incest fuck?

 

[Galder]

This was never a romcom, more of a masturcom really

i literally said in a previous comment that the author tried to forcibly change it and now i'm saying that he should stay his course.

 

[Aster_von_Einzbern]

well well well

 

[Nuggz]

Author is cooking hardcore, mans knows how to raise the bar lmao

Also go listen to the new Eminem album

 

[MiguelH224]

Why would anybody be here and not be down abysmally, for the plot? Also real life sisters are nothing at all like ecchi manga sisters, just like step-moms and step-sisters in porn are not like real life family.

Step siblings and blood siblings are 2 different things, one is not an issue and the other is taboo

 

[rckvnka]

Well, I guess it's also a win for Shirasawa for being able to see that lmao

 

[stainx]

WHAT THE FUUUU…..
Dats hot.

 

[Eduardo7]

I like yuri sometimes, but this is mad weird, Jesus Christ

 

[Mordenheim]

Sure... I find it interesting how you're selective about these things. On one hand, you claim that giving someone diuretic tea is akin to drugging them, yet on the other hand, you argue that having sex with a minor who is clearly intoxicated and unable to give meaningful consent is not considered rape.

I'm not selective. You don't understand what 'drugging' means. 'Drugging' is 'administration of drug' and by extension 'drug' is not just your cocaine or heroin, but also all sorts of stuff used in medicine or in every day use. Do you use pills against migraine? Congratulations, you are drugging yourself.
Second, this was discussed to the death in other threads. It's questionable if the Shirasawa was drunk enough to alter his decisions....

No, I'm not. A strawman argument occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person's argument to make it easier to attack or refute. In my statement, there is no misrepresentation or exaggeration of your position (especially since you didn't argue; you simply posted dictionary definitions). Instead, what I said is a genuine inquiry seeking clarification about whether giving someone coffee could be considered "drugging" them based on the definitions and your understanding of what constitutes drugging someone, especially considering caffeine's properties as a diuretic.

You are intentionally downplaying my definition of drug by citing relatively safe substance. And no, it doesn't work. The moment you add something in someone's food/drink, be it narcotic, hallucinogen, anesthetic, diuretic or laxative, you are drugging them.
So yeah, by giving someone a coffee you are drugging them. Seriously, why is there even discussion about that?

 

[DreadParadox]

This manga goes wherever it wants, huh

 

[nightnyx]

Zamn

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Step siblings and blood siblings are 2 different things, one is not an issue and the other is taboo

To use your wording, you've clearly don't have step-sister if you think it's not an issue. And you also ignored step-mom porn, are you gonna tell me it's not taboo if someone has sex with their step-mother or step-father? People have strong opinions on Woody-Allen and Soon-Yi Previn's marriage

I'm not selective. You don't understand what 'drugging' means. 'Drugging' is 'administration of drug' and by extension 'drug' is not just your cocaine or heroin, but also all sorts of stuff used in medicine or in every day use. Do you use pills against migraine? Congratulations, you are drugging yourself.
Second, this was discussed to the death in other threads. It's questionable if the Shirasawa was drunk enough to alter his decisions....

You are intentionally downplaying my definition of drug by citing relatively safe substance. And no, it doesn't work. The moment you add something in someone's food/drink, be it narcotic, hallucinogen, anesthetic, diuretic or laxative, you are drugging them.
So yeah, by giving someone a coffee you are drugging them. Seriously, why is there even discussion about that?

Litreara is not downplaying anything. If you say that giving someone pills against migraine is drugging, then this definition of that word doesn't have any use in discussion of "This manga's premise is the two teens filming a underage porn and then you get shit like:". He told her he's giving her barley tea and so he did, how can you not expect author will put rape in the story!

And that was during hardcore pet play that she explicitly demanded using written scenario - unlike teacher rape scene where he got suddenly jumped in the middle of night, with his head still spinning. The only part when he did something she didn't expect was not letting her go to bathroom, and even that was immediately shown as resulting in therapeutic effect for her, just as he hoped it would help her.

 

[Iskarioth]

Lol I just had to look into the comments after a while: lo and behold, the same mentally-ill no-lifers that accused me of never letting go of the topic are still displaying their shameless double standards / utter lack of real life experience while discussing about the non-existent rape case TO THIS DAY.

 

[Mordenheim]

To use your wording, you've clearly don't have step-sister if you think it's not an issue. And you also ignored step-mom porn, are you gonna tell me it's not taboo if someone has sex with their step-mother or step-father? People have strong opinions on Woody-Allen and Soon-Yi Previn's marriage

Never heard of levirate huh?

Litreara is not downplaying anything. If you say that giving someone pills against migraine is drugging, then this definition of that word doesn't have any use in discussion of "This manga's premise is the two teens filming a underage porn and then you get shit like:". He told her he's giving her barley tea and so he did, how can you not expect author will put rape in the story!

And that was during hardcore pet play that she explicitly demanded using written scenario - unlike teacher rape scene where he got suddenly jumped in the middle of night, with his head still spinning. The only part when he did something she didn't expect was not letting her go to bathroom, and even that was immediately shown as resulting in therapeutic effect for her, just as he hoped it would help her.

Errrm, what is this jumbled mess of message?

Lol I just had to look into the comments after a while: lo and behold, the same mentally-ill no-lifers that accused me of never letting go of the topic are still displaying their shameless double standards / utter lack of real life experience while discussing about the non-existent rape case TO THIS DAY.

Lol.

 

[Litreara]

I'm not selective. You don't understand what 'drugging' means. 'Drugging' is 'administration of drug' and by extension 'drug' is not just your cocaine or heroin, but also all sorts of stuff used in medicine or in every day use. Do you use pills against migraine? Congratulations, you are drugging yourself.

Yes, you are selective. You are selectively applying a broad interpretation of 'drugging,' which includes any administration of substances classified as drugs, solely to validate your claim that Shirasawa drugged Ekoda with diuretic tea. This behavior is a classic example of confirmation bias.

Second, this was discussed to the death in other threads. It's questionable if the Shirasawa was drunk enough to alter his decisions....

It seems pretty clear to me:

You are intentionally downplaying my definition of drug by citing relatively safe substance. And no, it doesn't work. The moment you add something in someone's food/drink, be it narcotic, hallucinogen, anesthetic, diuretic or laxative, you are drugging them.
So yeah, by giving someone a coffee you are drugging them. Seriously, why is there even discussion about that?

I'm not downplaying anything. While your definition that adding any substance to food or drink constitutes drugging may seem straightforward, it oversimplifies the complexities involved in defining 'drugging.' The term 'drugging' typically carries connotations of intent and harm, often involving substances administered for manipulative purposes.

Diuretic tea, which often contains natural substances like caffeine or herbs with mild diuretic properties, is not considered a harmful drug in the conventional sense. Unlike substances used for illicit purposes to alter states, diuretic tea only increases urination.

 

[kiraio]

Bruh, she's just casually kissing her big sis 💀

 

[Mordenheim]

Yes, you are selective. You are selectively applying a broad interpretation of 'drugging,' which includes any administration of substances classified as drugs, solely to validate your claim that Shirasawa drugged Ekoda with diuretic tea. This behavior is a classic example of confirmation bias.

I'm not downplaying anything. While your definition that adding any substance to food or drink constitutes drugging may seem straightforward, it oversimplifies the complexities involved in defining 'drugging.' The term 'drugging' typically carries connotations of intent and harm, often involving substances administered for manipulative purposes.

Diuretic tea, which often contains natural substances like caffeine or herbs with mild diuretic properties, is not considered a harmful drug in the conventional sense. Unlike substances used for illicit purposes to alter states, diuretic tea only increases urination.

The bolded part emphasis of mine.
Now, a little homework for you, go and re-read the relevant chapter, then come back and tell me how NOT Shirasawa used the diuretic tea intentionally and in malicious way.

*****​

Just to be clear. Dude, do you realize you are losing argument here? Because:
A. You cannot really counter my correct use of the term.
B. You basically confirm and support my point with your argument.
It's almost laughable.

 

[Litreara]

The bolded part emphasis of mine.
Now, a little homework for you, go and re-read the relevant chapter, then come back and tell me how NOT Shirasawa used the diuretic tea intentionally and in malicious way.

*****​

Just to be clear. Dude, do you realize you are losing argument here? Because:
A. You cannot really counter my correct use of the term.
B. You basically confirm and support my point with your argument.
It's almost laughable.

Your claim that I am losing the argument seems more like an attempt to conclude the discussion. But since you are resorting to cherry-picking, let me clarify: when I say that the term 'drugging' typically carries connotations of intent and harm, often involving substances administered for manipulative purposes, I am referring to altering someone's mental or physical state in a manner that compromises their awareness. For instance, giving alcohol to someone without their knowledge illustrates this connotation. Alcohol affects cognitive functions such as judgment, coordination, and decision-making. When consumed unknowingly, it can impair the individual's ability to consent to further consumption or to make informed choices.

Shirasawa gave Ekoda diuretic tea. Giving diuretic tea to someone does not compromise their awareness in the same way as substances that are considered drugging in the harmful sense. Diuretic tea does not impair consciousness or cognitive function. They primarily increase urine production without causing significant mental or physical impairment. Therefore, they are not typically classified as drugging in the harmful sense.

You say that I really cannot counter your correct use of the term, but just dismissing my points isn't an argument. I reiterate, you are selectively applying a broad interpretation of 'drugging' to support your claim. This is a clear example of confirmation bias. By expanding the definition to include any administration of a substance, you validate your argument that Shirasawa drugged Ekoda with diuretic tea, ignoring the conventional context of 'drugging'.

Your tendency to dismiss my arguments without engaging in substantive debate suggests a lack of genuine interest in meaningful discussion. Given my waning interest in continuing this exchange, there's no necessity for you to respond further, as I won't be reading any further replies.