Hazure Hantei kara Hajimatta Cheat Majutsushi Seikatsu - Vol. 10 Ch. 47.3

[dextersTomato]

So he needs to feel the three girls bewbs first before deciding to take them all?

 

[essensue]

-snip-
Also, author-san, please stop pushing Camilla-sama as a good person here. She is a kidnapper. Treat it as such, okay?

But what about her feelings, and her obligations as a noble, huh? Have you ever stopped to think about how stressful it must have been to run an antebellum plantation, and how most slave owners are just like, showing up every day and trying their best? And you're calling Camilla a "kidnapper?" For what? Maybe the real monster here isn't the lady who wholesale abducts middle schoolers to turn them into child soldiers in her war to accumulate power; maybe it's YOU.

God this is so dumb.

 

[Superpeanut]

Here’s the second upload for the day! We’re back on track with the raw now.
Please let me know if you spot any inconsistencies. Enjoy the read!

Thanks for the update! It’s much appreciated!

 

[BigPoppaEffy]

It was going so well until the end where it devolved into a generic trash harem trope lol

 

[ShinduPK4]

You just have to be upfront and let them know you only have eyes for Mama bunny.

On a “serious” note, if he would just listen to his dick, 90% of this drama would have already taken care of itself.

Unfortunately, it's a rare case where the protagonist is far more fucking stupid than his dick

 

[Haezer]

I need the author real address and force them to change the script cuz MC getting blamed for literally everything isn't funny anymore. There's a line which shouldn't be crossed if you're going to make it a running gag and the author has gone way past the fucking line.

 

[Renan_Walheim]

A nagging wife is never worth it. MC ditch the saint.

 

[Slingerman]

I've changed it to 'they've' for now. Hopefully, we'll have the answer in the next chapter.

Reinhardt is referring to the knights, Kent ordered his familiars to prevent any powerful monsters from killing them (goblins and kobolds they can handle).

Changes from web novel:

• Kent reported to Donovan briefly before the girls ruckus, calling him out for abandoning him to the honey trap.
• The mangaka doesn’t show it properly (well, only in one of the later panels), but most of the rescued students are watching the argument with the girls.
• Diologue was added at the end to facilitate the cliffhanger.

ALSO this author still very much likes the type of cliff hanger where it feels like it is missing pages D:

It's the mangaka, the original chapter isn't a cliffhanger. Mangaka truncated the plantation scene to have a cliffhanger. He made one in the forest a while back too.

If I had only read the manga up until now, and not read the book, I would absolutely hate Beatrice right now, she comes off looking Malty like. Lying about being groped (wasn’t a lie in WN), lying about sleeping with him. Regardless, there isn’t enough reason for her to stand on an equal footing with the other two girls right now. The adaptation could have made her interactions with Kent more meaningful, but didn’t, practically only one ‘date’ (before the dinner), compared to several dates with the other two. The adaptation even cut one teasing interaction.

 

[Slingerman]

And why is he kneeling? There is a limit to how much of a doormat someone can be.
Any normal person would be outraged. A simply loud "Shut up and let me speak for a change" would have been more than enough.
It's not like they can overpower him to stop him from doing something as simple as speaking his mind.

Heck, after this ,Kento should have dropped the lord's daughter then and there, heck ANY sane person with a shred of dignity would.
First she breached his trust by drugging him and trying to entrap him. And now she tries to make him seem to be the perpetrator in the eyes of two important to him people.
I mean if she does this now that he has no real ties to her, what won't she do in order to manipulate him later....the girl and her family are a huge giant red flag that should be avoided.

As for the other two girls...they claim to love him...but they hands down believe the girl(without a shred of evidence by the way) who has every reason to lie to them and want them to be out of the picture, over Kento...who again they are supposed to be not only in love with, but indebted to.

This is pretty much it. The chad move here is to say to all of these girls: NO, and walk away. They would have to self-examine and apologize for their immature behaviors (especially if he pointed them out). That would have saved Kent a HUGE problem later on, but would also erase half the main plot.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

And why is he kneeling? There is a limit to how much of a doormat someone can be.
Any normal person would be outraged. A simply loud "Shut up and let me speak for a change" would have been more than enough.

Holup there.

Did you not see Slingerman's post about his psychological issues in the comment thread for Chapter 47.1?

Here it is so you don't have to go looking for it. Please do not skip anything - this is emphatically not something you can TL;DR and continue to argue about.

Kent's psychology is well explored:

• He suffers from deep Abandonment Issues stemming from his broken home (which should be touched upon in 47.2).
• He suffers from post-traumatic stress from being devoured by goblins, with the most common trigger being gore.
• And, well, he's a 15 year old given tremendous power.

There is actually a psychoanalytical discussion on him in WN chapter 173:

Spoiler: Excerpt on Kent's psychology

Kent, though he may not realize it, is hungry for the affection of his family. Because he grew up without enough love from his parents. That's why, after gaining power and being able to do various things, he's been working foolishly for others, and for the sake of his comrades, he's been crouching and bowing his head, desperately trying to be recognized. Like when his parents abandoned him, he's afraid of being abandoned, of being alone. The reason why he can't narrow down the women he's become friends with is because he doesn't want to be abandoned, so he can't cut them off.

Now, take all of that into consideration, and rethink this whole thing. And keep in mind, here: I know this shit is legitimate because I've been on the receiving end of abuse that was even worse than this.

How bad was it?

"Fishy needed a bath and a hair cut."

No, that is not something I made up. That is literally what my younger brothers actually said when they killed my pet fish.

Now, I know what you're thinking. I got worked up over a fish?

Keep reading.

They were Betas - Siamese Fighting Fish. And my little brothers basically put dishwashing soap into the tank and diced up the poor things with scissors. It happened THREE TIMES to three consecutive pet fish. Each time? They only got scolded. Meanwhile, I was still not permitted to have a lock for my room to stop that shit from happening, because daddy says OMG THAT MEANS HE CAN HIDE THINGS FROM ME!

Are you starting to get an idea of what kind of fucked up toxic cesspool I was raised in? And this? This is just the tip of the iceberg, because I can go on and on with all kinds of fucked up shit that will make you go "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT THE HELL DUDE!?"

People laugh when they watch sitcoms because they think that there's no way that can be reality. I don't laugh because it was my reality. The only reason I find any amusement in this is because Rom-Com isn't the same as Sit-Com. In Rom-Com, the deeper underlying issues usually get resolved because otherwise the guy will never get the girl. And if he didn't get the girl in the end? Then it never was a Rom-Com, it was just a drama.

But yeah. Because of my past, I can assure you, fully without exception, that the MC's actions are completely believable when you take his past into consideration.

 

[Tamult]

Holup there.

Did you not see Slingerman's post about his psychological issues in the comment thread for Chapter 47.1?

Here it is so you don't have to go looking for it. Please do not skip anything - this is emphatically not something you can TL;DR and continue to argue about.



Now, take all of that into consideration, and rethink this whole thing. And keep in mind, here: I know this shit is legitimate because I've been on the receiving end of abuse that was even worse than this.

How bad was it?

"Fishy needed a bath and a hair cut."

No, that is not something I made up. That is literally what my younger brothers actually said when they killed my pet fish.

Now, I know what you're thinking. I got worked up over a fish?

Keep reading.

They were Betas - Siamese Fighting Fish. And my little brothers basically put dishwashing soap into the tank and diced up the poor things with scissors. It happened THREE TIMES to three consecutive pet fish. Each time? They only got scolded. Meanwhile, I was still not permitted to have a lock for my room to stop that shit from happening, because daddy says OMG THAT MEANS HE CAN HIDE THINGS FROM ME!

Are you starting to get an idea of what kind of fucked up toxic cesspool I was raised in? And this? This is just the tip of the iceberg, because I can go on and on with all kinds of fucked up shit that will make you go "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT THE HELL DUDE!?"

People laugh when they watch sitcoms because they think that there's no way that can be reality. I don't laugh because it was my reality. The only reason I find any amusement in this is because Rom-Com isn't the same as Sit-Com. In Rom-Com, the deeper underlying issues usually get resolved because otherwise the guy will never get the girl. And if he didn't get the girl in the end? Then it never was a Rom-Com, it was just a drama.

But yeah. Because of my past, I can assure you, fully without exception, that the MC's actions are completely believable when you take his past into consideration.

Damn, sorry to hear that happened to you. But yeah, the MC here has little fault compared to how the girls are treating him.

 

[Seinvolf]

Thank u always for ur great work...
^^...

 

[sanctuary]

I think last time I voiced my opinion about how to deal with authors/publishers that greenlit this kind of stuff I got banned, but yeah, it's not good. FYI: MC will continue to be a pushover for about 80 chapters or so, so about 3/5 of what's been published so far in the WN, unless they decided to give him a spine early on. Doubt it though, author loves to make him kneel over trivial bs.

Spoiler: About Camilla...

She is not the main wife for MC, but she's quite up there and way better than the other annoyances from JP/Volzard

 

[Primalmoon]

While the whole interrogation is annoying, I like that the two other girls have seemed more reasonable about it. They're freaked out at first when they only hear from Beatrice, but once MC starts explaining they actually listen. They only grab his ear for not explaining clearly. By the end they seem to both be fed up with the grenades that Beatrice is tossing out, and only ask a reasonable follow-up question to further clarify. Rather than other harem mangas where that single extra grenade would have been enough to reset everything back to square 1 and have the MC get beaten up by every member of the harem and played for laughs.

 

[Slingerman]

I think last time I voiced my opinion about how to deal with authors/publishers that greenlit this kind of stuff I got banned, but yeah, it's not good. FYI: MC will continue to be a pushover for about 80 chapters or so, so about 3/5 of what's been published so far in the WN, unless they decided to give him a spine early on. Doubt it though, author loves to make him kneel over trivial bs.

Spoiler: About Camilla...

She is not the main wife for MC, but she's quite up there and way better than the other annoyances from JP/Volzard

I don't quite agree.

Spoiler: Kent shows a spine each time he

appears as Demon King in Reisenburg. He's a pushover with the girls in Volzard because he's afraid of losing them (and trying to get them to accept someone unpalatable in the future), but he's the boss in Reisenburg. I mean, just look at 102 where he makes the messenger knights submit.

But yes, it's pretty much indisputable that Camilla treats him better than the girls in Volzart do.

Basically, 5 months max before we start to see Kent's spine based on the rate the manga is adapting the novel (that's starting WN CH87, this manga chapter is at 79). But if you can't stand seeing the protagonist dogeza... There's a bit of that. 80% of it is for (real) cheating he did. Most of the rest is for doing crazy shit when drunk.

 

[sanctuary]

I don't quite agree.

Spoiler: Kent shows a spine each time he

appears as Demon King in Reisenburg. He's a pushover with the girls in Volzard because he's afraid of losing them (and trying to get them to accept someone unpalatable in the future), but he's the boss in Reisenburg. I mean, just look at 102 where he makes the messenger knights submit.

But yes, it's pretty much indisputable that Camilla treats him better than the girls in Volzart do.

Basically, 5 months max before we start to see Kent's spine based on the rate the manga is adapting the novel (that's starting WN CH87, this manga chapter is at 79). But if you can't stand seeing the protagonist dogeza... There's a bit of that. 80% of it is for (real) cheating he did. Most of the rest is for doing crazy shit when drunk.

Spoiler: ehh

Dunno, he lets himself be used and abused quite badly by JP

 

[Slingerman]

Spoiler: ehh

Dunno, he lets himself be used and abused quite badly by JP

Spoiler: That is true, but what I said still applies, and he has his reasons.

Like I said, it's when he's in Demon King mode he shows his spine. Everything he's doing with Japan is basically to get people to be more accepting of Camilla (first and foremost Yuika). Yuika saw right through this when he talked to her about the apology video. Once the students are returned, the reparations paid, and Yuika's family brought over, he pretty much cuts ties with Japan.

 

[Someone011]

Holup there.

Did you not see Slingerman's post about his psychological issues in the comment thread for Chapter 47.1?

Here it is so you don't have to go looking for it. Please do not skip anything - this is emphatically not something you can TL;DR and continue to argue about.



Now, take all of that into consideration, and rethink this whole thing. And keep in mind, here: I know this shit is legitimate because I've been on the receiving end of abuse that was even worse than this.

How bad was it?

"Fishy needed a bath and a hair cut."

No, that is not something I made up. That is literally what my younger brothers actually said when they killed my pet fish.

Now, I know what you're thinking. I got worked up over a fish?

Keep reading.

They were Betas - Siamese Fighting Fish. And my little brothers basically put dishwashing soap into the tank and diced up the poor things with scissors. It happened THREE TIMES to three consecutive pet fish. Each time? They only got scolded. Meanwhile, I was still not permitted to have a lock for my room to stop that shit from happening, because daddy says OMG THAT MEANS HE CAN HIDE THINGS FROM ME!

Are you starting to get an idea of what kind of fucked up toxic cesspool I was raised in? And this? This is just the tip of the iceberg, because I can go on and on with all kinds of fucked up shit that will make you go "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT THE HELL DUDE!?"

People laugh when they watch sitcoms because they think that there's no way that can be reality. I don't laugh because it was my reality. The only reason I find any amusement in this is because Rom-Com isn't the same as Sit-Com. In Rom-Com, the deeper underlying issues usually get resolved because otherwise the guy will never get the girl. And if he didn't get the girl in the end? Then it never was a Rom-Com, it was just a drama.

But yeah. Because of my past, I can assure you, fully without exception, that the MC's actions are completely believable when you take his past into consideration.

Sorry about your personal past experiences, but I don't think they are comparable to Kento's experiences nor applicable in this situation.

The MC was not abandoned by his parents nor forced to do things he didn't want to just so his parents can feel they have control over him, he was left on his own devices, neglected perhaps but provided for and as we saw in 47.2 that he didn't really feel that strongly about them or how they treated him (and unlike you, he was an only child, so no ill natured siblings to torment him).
And in fact we can see that his grandmother showered him with attention and affection so "abandonment issues" and "starvation for affection" just doesn't fit Kento's phycological profile at all.

Then at the first chapter we saw that he was neither abused nor hated by his schoolmates (perhaps save for the school bully that as we saw by the reaction of everyone when he got punished was universally hated), so he was not a bullied pariah that was starved for affection and validation either.

When the princess cast him out for being powerless and tricked him to go into the woods(that we all know now is a death sentence) under the promise of "freedom" if he managed to make it to the other side, he didn't act like an abandoned puppy, but rather upon realization that he was tricked, he more or less made it his life's work to ruin the princess.

And as such I would expect him to show at least a modicum of outrage when yet another noble family(one he thought he can trust by the way) in this world outright lied to him and tried to manipulate him for their own ends. And then even more so when their daughter tries to slander him infront of the two other people he cares for the most.

To sum it up,
1) He suffers from deep Abandonment issues stemming from his broken home, doesn't apply, since he had a family member that showered him with affection and love.
2)He suffers from post-traumatic stress from being devoured by goblins, with the most common trigger being gore...in the manga at least he shows slight discomfort but that doesn't stop him from putting his own person in danger time and time again nor does he seem distressed at viewing gore at all. I mean just look at most fight scenes where he backs up Reinhardt with magic whilst the former is acting like an undead blender chopping monsters left and right showing gore galore, Kento seems completely unperturbed by all that gore.

3) And, well, he's a 15 year old given tremendous power. My point exactly, you have an otherwise powerless 15 year old boy with phenomenal powers of healing/destruction/control/stealth/movement , who was tricked by a noble into almost getting himself killed, and rightfully so he tries to use his powers to not only free his classmates but also ruin the noble in the process....but when a similar thing happens he acts all meekly? That just doesn't make sense. (BlackAeronauht if you suddently had the power to put your brothers in their place with your own two hands after they killed your pet fish, wouldn't you do so?. Something tells me you would)

Finally, we have already seen Kento having an outburst at his classmates when they destroyed that tavern and made him shoulder the responsibility for their actions . What the daughter of the lord did , is more or less the same (and then some), and instead of having a similar outburst, he just kneels down like he is at fault.

So yeah, whilst your past experiences give you a unique perspective in certain situations , I can't see how they would do so in this case, since the events of your early life are just not remotely comparable to that of Kento's (at least in the Manga version).

 

[Slingerman]

Sorry about your personal past experiences, but I don't think they are comparable to Kento's experiences nor applicable in this situation.

The MC was not abandoned by his parents nor forced to do things he didn't want to just so his parents can feel they have control over him, he was left on his own devices, neglected perhaps but provided for and as we saw in 47.2 that he didn't really feel that strongly about them or how they treated him (and unlike you, he was an only child, so no ill natured siblings to torment him).
And in fact we can see that his grandmother showered him with attention and affection so "abandonment issues" and "starvation for affection" just doesn't fit Kento's phycological profile at all.

Then at the first chapter we saw that he was neither abused nor hated by his schoolmates (perhaps save for the school bully that as we saw by the reaction of everyone when he got punished was universally hated), so he was not a bullied pariah that was starved for affection and validation either.

When the princess cast him out for being powerless and tricked him to go into the woods(that we all know now is a death sentence) under the promise of "freedom" if he managed to make it to the other side, he didn't act like an abandoned puppy, but rather upon realization that he was tricked, he more or less made it his life's work to ruin the princess.

And as such I would expect him to show at least a modicum of outrage when yet another noble family(one he thought he can trust by the way) in this world outright lied to him and tried to manipulate him for their own ends. And then even more so when their daughter tries to slander him infront of the two other people he cares for the most.

To sum it up,
1) He suffers from deep Abandonment issues stemming from his broken home, doesn't apply, since he had a family member that showered him with affection and love.
2)He suffers from post-traumatic stress from being devoured by goblins, with the most common trigger being gore...in the manga at least he shows slight discomfort but that doesn't stop him from putting his own person in danger time and time again nor does he seem distressed at viewing gore at all. I mean just look at most fight scenes where he backs up Reinhardt with magic whilst the former is acting like an undead blender chopping monsters left and right showing gore galore, Kento seems completely unperturbed by all that gore.

3) And, well, he's a 15 year old given tremendous power. My point exactly, you have an otherwise powerless 15 year old boy with phenomenal powers of healing/destruction/control/stealth/movement , who was tricked by a noble into almost getting himself killed, and rightfully so he tries to use his powers to not only free his classmates but also ruin the noble in the process....but when a similar thing happens he acts all meekly? That just doesn't make sense. (BlackAeronauht if you suddently had the power to put your brothers in their place with your own two hands after they killed your pet fish, wouldn't you do so?. Something tells me you would)

Finally, we have already seen Kento having an outburst at his classmates when they destroyed that tavern and made him shoulder the responsibility for their actions . What the daughter of the lord did , is more or less the same (and then some), and instead of having a similar outburst, he just kneels down like he is at fault.

So yeah, whilst your past experiences give you a unique perspective in certain situations , I can't see how they would do so in this case, since the events of your early life are just not remotely comparable to that of Kento's (at least in the Manga version).

What I said was based on the web novels, with more than 800 chapters. We are in the prologue of that story. It's only starting to touch upon his background, chapter 111 explains more, which is discussed in many conversations, most importantly with the psychoanalysis in 173. You are basing your little essay on the mere introduction of a concept that is explored later.

Of course, Kent's experiences aren't exactly the same as that guys (if you checked the webmd link, you see that there are different types, Kent's matches Anxious attachment style). In the novel, they specifically say that he's "distorted", which is an excuse not to use an actual diagnosis. We HAVE in the manga seen him break down crying when someone he barely knows dies (most of the skeletons who save him). He easily gets attached.

There are about a dozen novel scenes where Kent has flashbacks upon seeing gore, and he isn't up close when skeletons fight monsters. It usually happens with goblins specifically.

 

[Someone011]

What I said was based on the web novels, with more than 800 chapters. We are in the prologue of that story. It's only starting to touch upon his background, chapter 111 explains more, which is discussed in many conversations, most importantly with the psychoanalysis in 173. You are basing your little essay on the mere introduction of a concept that is explored later.

Of course, Kent's experiences aren't exactly the same as that guys (if you checked the webmd link, you see that there are different types, Kent's matches Anxious attachment style). In the novel, they specifically say that he's "distorted", which is an excuse not to use an actual diagnosis. We HAVE in the manga seen him break down crying when someone he barely knows dies (most of the skeletons who save him). He easily gets attached.

There are about a dozen novel scenes where Kent has flashbacks upon seeing gore, and he isn't up close when skeletons fight monsters. It usually happens with goblins specifically.

And again if you notice, I mention the Manga, not the novel.

To my recolection

The manga has already more than a few alterations and changes from the novel.
Most notably the fact that Kento makes nothing of seeing gore.
In chapter 25, Kento isn't supposed to win against that cocky wolf eared guy(in fact he lost in the novel), and yet in the manga he beat him and in a rather humiliating fashion.
The "feline" familiar he got in chapter 28 doesn't show up in the novel(at least not at that point) .
The lord's bunny eared wife was never that scantly clad at least not in her usual getup.

And that's just of the top of my head.

It's very safe to assume that the Manga takes a generally different direction than the novels at least in tone. As such knowledge of the novels doesn't excuse what we see in the mange.

As for, Kento breaking down after the bully died is not a valid excuse for anything.
Kento comes from a modern Japanese society , hence very sheltered against unnatural deaths as most kids his age are. Furthermore he also feels responsible because (as he also says in the manga) he thinks that he could have saved him if he acted instead of just observing. THAT is why he broke down, because of his sense of responsibility, more or less the same reason that "loli" teacher broke down crying when she learned that the bully died.