Ihoujin, Dungeon ni Moguru - Ch. 3 - Goodbye, my guns.

[WillLi]

@criver read the article better. It's not used only in US patent law. That was an example of how it's used in patented law. The doctrine came from The Fourth Council of Lateran which was in 1213. And has been used in varying places since. So yeah it's not only not a US thing, it is used in multiple courts, not just patent court. Second, the MC doesn't have to prove it. Because as I mentioned, they will prove it for him. If they argue that he used his bomb to blow it up, then that is a bomb they carried in there, or he snuck in and placed the bomb (which they would have to prove) So it's either, he blew up his own stuff, or the explosion wasn't his bomb and was thus someone else. You say that he detonated the bomb as a show and intentionally and they can use that or whatever. But by claiming that the explosion was caused by him, you bring into question how did he manage to blow up a secure warehouse? If he claims he never went inside you have to prove how he did it. And the actual proof is that he could only do it because they were housing his stolen goods (which they said they weren't at first). And I'm sure you know even if they're not the thieves, there is this thing called being accomplices. And pretty sure the judge would likely say "You should've found out more about what you were housing" or "Ask for your money from the people who stole his stuff, not the guy who was trying to get his stuff back"

So yeah, the strategy is still sound. Go actually learn about legal history or something before you try to say that it's not a thing.

 

[criver]

@WillLi

Spoiler

So yeah it's not only not a US thing, it is used in multiple courts, not just patent court.

Go on, cite a case where somebody blew up a building - destroying the stock + injuring the employees and was found not guilty because of "clean hands".

So it's either, he blew up his own stuff, or the explosion wasn't his bomb and was thus someone else.

He admitted to it being his doing (actually he went as far as to show off in front of them).

And pretty sure the judge would likely say "You should've found out more about what you were housing" or "Ask for your money from the people who stole his stuff, not the guy who was trying to get his stuff back"

"Pretty sure" no. Nobody will let you walk off after you blow up a storehouse and injure people - regardless of whether the bomb housed in there was "stolen". Not only will you not get compensation for the stuff that you yourself intentionally blew - you will be thrown in jail. Do not trust me? Then maybe you have been reading one too many bad manga and need a reality check.

Go actually learn about legal history or something before you try to say that it's not a thing.

Go on - enlighten me about a case where some chump blew up a warehouse, injured people, blew up his own stuff, and then got compensation for it and was not thrown in jail. Your knowledge seems to fail both in a legal context and just based off logic.

I also like how you cling to that one thing after you were unable to defend the bs reverse-engineering theory. Yet it was so easy to just acknowledge the MC simply made a stupid decision. This is known as denial - seems to be a common occurrence on mangadex, especially when you point out a flaw in a manga.

 

[WillLi]

@crvier

Spoiler

I wasn't 'unable to defend' I jsut didn't because your idea was stupid. Here's what you haven't accounted for in reverse engineering. Firstly, with no understanding of guns originally, when they reverse engiener the original guns they took from the armies, there's only so much they can get out of it. However the majority of the guns taken would either be 'destroyed' by now by people tinkering with them, or having been distributed. Also the ammo that they used would likely be used up. So there's nothing left to reverse engineer. However with another stock of guns showing up, there is another source of 'inspiration' to spark development, and now that it's been 50 years their technology could be far enough along that they can actually reverse engineering it.

As for the clean hands thing, I don't actually ahve to cite any examples to you. Because we're not judging whether or not the MC would've won the case, and that's the same with the weapons. We don't have to judge whehter or not the assumptions the MC made are correct. We have to judge whether or not said assumptions and decisions were founded in a logical thought process and not BS. There is enough evidence to suggest that the MC could easily believe clean hands applies here. (Which by our standards IRL, it would, as long as he can prove that it happened because they had his stolen goods they would get no compensation from him for it.) And for the weapons it's a matter of there is reason to believe that his weapons could be the catalyst for a war, and if that's something that can be foreseen.

Unless you can actually prove both of those situations are -impossible- then the MC didn't make 'wrong' decisions. Maybe they weren't the best decision, but if the possibility for those outcomes exist then he wasn't wrong, he was hedging his bets. The one who is in denial is you, and what you're denying is the fact that there are no guarantees in the world and that people make judgments based on evaluating a situation and preventing the things they "can't afford" to let happen. The world doesn't work in absolutes.

And maybe the reason you see this so often, is because you have strong opinions on what should or shouldn't happen, and you can't accept things not being handled your way. You're so quick to say this is a 'flaw' or whatever. But through out this entire thing, not once have you actually given any proof as to why your decision is 'better' or the decision made was 'worse' all you've said is "Guns are strong" but offered zero solutions as to dealing with the possibility of people coming after you for those guns. You've also offered zero solutions for protecting the stockpile of guns. You've also offered zero solutions for how to deal with the situation of him getting caught trying to steal back his guns. Along with that you also have not offered anything about the MC's belief that his guns could start a war, all you've said is "They have less advanced guns so it wont happen" but you haven't substantiated that at all. You've just said that because old guns were taken before there's no way new guns wont start something.

Funny little thing about denial, it's about not accepting the truth of the matter, but the truth of the matter is, you haven't 'proven' anything. You've just said some stuff that sounds good, but you can't even be bothered to look up terms to make sure you're using them right.

tl;dr; You don't actually know where the burden of proof lies in this discussion. The MC isn't wrong unless you can prove his supposed outcomes are -impossible-. Because if they're possible, his decisions were either to execute that possibility, or prevent it. The other criteria would be to prove that his decisions didn't effect that possibility. But you can't do that either. So in short, You're just mad he didn't do things the way you would do them.

 

[Simpleton]

@MaTu94

I didn't quite understand all the interaction with the Phoenix company, they were the ultimate culprits of his suffering these chapters, why did it all end with 1 page and a scare? Also, if they were selling the mermaid to Geto (his granddaughter) then either she was in on the scam or she was being used. Why was all that grazed over?

I didn't catch it all either, but it seems it's more copies from some versions of the little mermaid story. Her disguise was based not on her losing her voice, but on her losing her love. Once he shot the contract item her whole disguise deal was off and the love returned. And even if she had set everything in motion, he was already set to write off his losses (and dump the remainder into the sea) and didn't feel like hurting the suddenly happy couple (including the mermaid daughter that he had probably intended to rescue if possible in the first place).

So the odd thing is that 4K mermaid. Maybe it was some other mermaid (still in slavery somewhere) or it was some kind of scam to get monies (maybe her attempt to be useful and get close to him even without the love, I dunno.)

 

[SunSun]

@WillLi criver basically comments on every isekai to show how he's a genius and the author and by extension by character is dumb so you shouldnt waste your time with him.

Im not kidding, practically every fantasy manga ive come across his comments on one way or another and theyre all the same

 

[SunSun]

@NazrinMaus

He's got 2% battery left, no way to recharge, and there's a chance someone in this fantasy world can reverse engineer the pc so he's Clintoning it.

Or did you not actually read what he said?

 

[NazrinMaus]

@SunSun
The stuff that is nearly useless(breaking down, running out of power/ammo) is understandable. Getting rid of most things because it's simply too much for him to safely own is also understandable. But not even keeping a single gun just-in-case is stupid, dumb, and silly.
There is no reason for this unless he wants to go savage and live a new life with no influence from his home world. I now redirect the question to you: have you even read what he's said? He has not said he's trying to go savage and live a new life. He's still trying to accomplish his mission.

There's only one reason for him to do this, and he's not doing it for that reason, so this is just stupid for multiple reasons. It's just a dumb move to make, it turns this mix of generic sci fi x generic fantasy into just generic fantasy, and it immediately drops the plot points that it spent all these chapters building up, misleading readers needlessly.

 

[Tearsax]

I dont get the probIem about his technoIogy. It couId spark wars? Our worId tried to invade them twice, its not like they dont have our tech aIready and, looking at how ineffective it was against those adventurers, its not like our weapons are worth shit in a war there.

 

[HolyOrdos]

The plot got me puzzled in this chapter

 

[mcfucksauce]

did he just get molested in his sleep

 

[themanj]

i get the risk but still... that weapon is your equalizer(literally lol hope someone gets the joke) without it you are an average joe with nothing going for him the gun makes him capable of killing monsters literally a hundred times bigger than him (elephants are like 13000 pounds and people use guns to kill em all the time)

 

[Izaya_Onisai]

So much skipping... did he get money? Did he kill these trash for their sins? Is he good in close combat?

 

[maisonaustyn]

@Tearsax Something to keep in mind is that they barely made it through the portal with a small group. No imagine an army trying to go in all at once. Most of the technology was probably destroyed and people killed before they even arrived

 

[4V29LN0n]

Wtf pacing.

 

[flanman]

kinda rushed at the end there, but so far this fantasy world is miles above any isekai

 

[hermitboi]

pacing at the end was jarring to say the least but other than that loving this

 

[lionfromnorth]

Holy shit. This MC has the Balls of Steel.

 

[Anreon]

Well, there goes all my interest in this series. :/ tf is the point of bringing guns and rifles to a medieval setting if you're just gonna dump it all 3 fuggin' chapters in? Well, better sooner than later, I guess, didn't have to waste too much of my time here.

 

[Amplify]

People really need to learn to stop trying to talk sense into criver, dude's always like this and will never ever admit he could be wrong. You've a better chance of convincing a brick wall.

 

[samuellucy96]

IS THIS GATE INSPIRED?