Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi wo Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 40 - Gears Setting Chaos In Motion

[GennArc]

Like him not planning to confess initially but his emotion got the better of him in that room/closet is much better scenario for me lol

Doesn't feel like what actually happened to me. Remember, it was Hikari who wanted to say something first, but only after she decided not to, he said okay, if that's it then I have something to tell you. It makes sense that he waited for her to say something first because she was the one who dragged him there, but if he really was overcome with emotion, surely he wouldn't have just stood there in silence while she was gathering her thoughts.
Of course I can't be sure about that, just feels like it.

 

[nogoodsumbeach]

I think that Yuu lying to himself here is how the author gets to Aya/Yuu endgame

I just cant see this, cause i think all the inner narration we have seen so far from Yuu/Hikari/Yami has all been about their true feelings and thoughts imo

Yeah like he very much shouldn't stay in contact with her but he's the same brand of nice guy idiot as Hikari so of course he's gonna try to keep a lifeline open.

Yeah its a bit naive from Yuu to still wanted stay in contact with Yami but prob for Yuu eventhough he is not in love with her anymore, she still care for her cause she is his first ever real romantic relationship and also prob the 2nd closest person to him other than Hikari

I think Aya's "go fall in love" b/f she ghosts was testing him b/c I don't think he ever tells her he loves her. Unless it's a translation error, even his response to that was a sort of present tense he's in the process of doing so.

Closest we have seen from Yuu saying he is in love with Yami was after that trip before she ghosted him i think.
And its not even a straight up "i love you" from Yuu, iirc he was answering a question from Yami "who are you in love with?" And Yuu answer with a "With you of course, senpai" or something along those lines.

yeah i kinda agree Yami was testing him in some kind of way and that rant i think proves it really. Cause even tho she does believe ghosting him was the right thing to do for him, some part of her want Yuu to fight for her just like she said in her rant.

 

[nogoodsumbeach]

Doesn't feel like what actually happened to me. Remember, it was Hikari who wanted to say something first, but only after she decided not to, he said okay, if that's it then I have something to tell you. It makes sense that he waited for her to say something first because she was the one who dragged him there, but if he really was overcome with emotion, surely he wouldn't have just stood there in silence while she was gathering her thoughts.
Of course I can't be sure about that, just feels like it.

Yeah in this scenario, Yuu emotion only taken over him after seeing that Hikari decided not to say anything to him and then just inviting him to go home instead lol
Doesnt really make sense tbh but better than the "i just have to" as a reasoning for me lol

But yeah as you said, i am also not really sure about this but i would just really really hate it if Yuu reasoning for the confession is "i just have to" tbh

 

[story645]

I think him still being in love with Hikari (even if he had no confidence he'd ever have a shot) prevented him from fully getting invested in there relationship

Definitely agree and I think Aya also picked up on this & kinda tested him on this & [strike]it's one of the reasons she asks if he ever told Hikari about her.[/strike] B/c in this manga, Aya/Hikari/Yuu cannot stop talking about the people they care about.

I also don't think Aya/Yuu is happening, but I can plausibly see the author getting there.

She cared about him a lot and wanted him to care equally and not just give up.

To me that's sorta same difference? Like initiating/acts is how she shows care so she wanted him to reciprocate in the same (love) language.

 

[GennArc]

To me that's sorta same difference? Like initiating/acts is how she shows care so she wanted him to reciprocate in the same (love) language.

I don't think those are the same things. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your words, but to me this

she feels she took the initiative to start their relationship (sex) and maintain it (planning their dates) and is expressing frustration that she feels he didn't take any initiative to try and save it

sounds like "I contributed more/took the initiative, so now it's your turn". Which is very different from "I care a lot about you and I'm ready to pull a lot of stuff to be with you, and I would want you to care just as strongly". Know what I mean?

it's one of the reasons she asks if he ever told Hikari about her

Err, it's Yuu who is asking that, not Yami.

 

[story645]

but to me this sounds like "I contributed more/took the initiative, so now it's your turn". Which is very different from "I care a lot about you and I'm ready to pull a lot of stuff to be with you, and I would want you to care just as strongly". Know what I mean?

I get, I phrased it poorly. To me it reads that for Aya "care just as strongly" means doing all the things b/c her rant (& internal monologue) is focused on him doing things & she uses the metaphor of holding out his hand (which she also uses back when they were dating). So to me she's asking why he didn't show care in the ways she does b/c that's what she's thinking of as reciprocation.

Err, it's Yuu who is asking that, not Yami.

Sorry mixed it up here. But also we had a whole discussion where I explained that I thought she was testing him when asking if he'd told his parents (anyone) about her.

 

[GennArc]

I thought she was testing him when asking if he'd told his parents (anyone) about her

I don't remember this happening either. I went through the flashback novel chapters briefly and didn't find anything like that. Did I forget something?

 

[story645]

Did I forget something?

No, I was kinda misremembering the conversation on how he lied to his parents about being with Aya (both at the beginning and end).

 

[GreenOwlRanger]

Is this why you started this very non-cliché story about a high school girl trying to confess to her childhood friend?

No, honestly, I like the artist.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

So yes she's being irrational but I think in the context of their relationship it's about fairness. Like she feels she took the initiative to start their relationship (sex) and maintain it (planning their dates) and is expressing frustration that she feels he didn't take any initiative to try and save it.

Actually she took the initiative to try to break him (at first) by fucing and dumping him, before she ended up liking him for real, and then took the initiative to dump him via ghosting him. And she blames him for not being obsessed creepy stalker ex, instead of someone who doesn't even try to blame her, understands that he shouldn't butt in, while still trying to be friendly and supporting to girl who clearly has issues. When adding the way she "pranked" Hikari with some pedo creep just for trying to be nice for her, it's clear the this girl has serious issues, is danger to people close to her, and that both Yuu and Hikary should keep away from her from now on for their own good. People like her won't be "fixed" by love or friendship, they need to understand they need therapy.

If anything, this manga gets not so much misogyny out of people, but misandry, especially from Hikari fans towards Yuu. I myself fell for this to some degree in previous chapters, thinking Yuu is bad guy to some degree in this situation. This chapter showed he always tried his best in hard and complicated situation, when dealing with a girl that needs professional therapy, not another kid as boyfriend.

 

[nxneil13]

Honestly, pretty good write up! but there is two things I want to talk about real quick

First "(actually idk if he said he loves hikari since childhood or since start of highschool so i could be wrong)"

You are wrong due to extra details in the novelization of chapter 38 there he says
"It's true... since middle school... no, since we first became friends."

Then at the end it gives a bit of narration from his point of view where he says

"I didn’t lie.
I’ve loved Hikari, for so long, ever since way back."

So we know definitively he's been in love with her for YEARS ever since childhood

Now the other part I want to talk about is your main point essentially "I dislike Yuu is because he is unwilling to confront the truth for hikari."

Minus the dislike part I COMPLETELY agree his unwillingness to be open and honest with Hikari is a serious the problem he has but personally i can empathize with him

He's a nice guy but several lacks confidence, has feelings of inferiority to Hika mix this in with the fact he's a teen so he's not remotely emotionally mature him keeping quiet about everything that happened makes ALOT of sense and I don't think he inherently is doing it for intentionally selfish reasons I really do think he thought it was best for both him and Hikari if he kept it hidden and it isn't until now he's realizing how wrong he was

Now this doesn't absolve him of criticism in fact I think he NEEDS to be i'm criticized over this because he he really needs to learn the lesson that bottling, up important secrets like this is AWFUL, very shitty and honestly disrespectful towards Hikari and it's a lesson basically, everyone has to end up learning eventually and even he says in the novelization of CH 38

"But still, there’s no denying it—
today, I was the worst."

To me this is a sign of self reflection and genuine realization his behavior was wrong and to me that says ALOT and makes me at least slightly hopeful he's actually gonna learn from it and change or at least that's my opinion on it

(Hope this made sense halfway through writing my sleep pills started kicking in(

thx for finding the answer for me, appreciate it

no i get ur reasonings, and i'm not the type of person to be like "i hope yuu's life is ruined" and all that jazz, its just that with how yuu just wants to half-ass everything, i just don't believe he deserves to be with hikari.

With the "I didn’t lie. I’ve loved Hikari, for so long, ever since way back." ngl that does piss me off more lol. Cus yuu can't act like he's always been in love with hikari since childhood when he was dating and having sex with ayami. that is just so disingenuous to both his relationship hikari and his past relationship with ayami. and yes ik, this is a manga about dumb horny teenagers making even dumber choices, but still. if yuu was clear and said something like he fell in love with hikari when they were kids, moved on when he met ayami, but after his breakup, fell back in love with hikari, i would less upset. it still feels like he treats hikari as a rebound tho.


i do hope he does improve as a person, but i just don't think he derserves to go out with hikari with how dishonest he is with her. I think as, if hikari never saw them kiss, yuu wouldn't have told her, and it will end up being a situation of tensions building between yuu and ayami, and hikari not knowing anything, and when she does eventually finds out, it will hurt her more.

 

[GennArc]

Actually she took the initiative to try to break him (at first) by fucing and dumping him, before she ended up liking him for real, and then took the initiative to dump him via ghosting him. And she blames him for not being obsessed creepy stalker ex, instead of someone who doesn't even try to blame her, understands that he shouldn't butt in, while still trying to be friendly and supporting to girl who clearly has issues. When adding the way she "pranked" Hikari with some pedo creep just for trying to be nice for her, it's clear the this girl has serious issues, is danger to people close to her, and that both Yuu and Hikary should keep away from her from now on for their own good. People like her won't be "fixed" by love or friendship, they need to understand they need therapy.

If anything, this manga gets not so much misogyny out of people, but misandry, especially from Hikari fans towards Yuu. I myself fell for this to some degree in previous chapters, thinking Yuu is bad guy to some degree in this situation. This chapter showed he always tried his best in hard and complicated situation, when dealing with a girl that needs professional therapy, not another kid as boyfriend.

Ok, so going back to this

but also want their drama with some more nuance and depth, and preferably adults so writer can't use

Are you sure you actually want drama with nuance when you completely ignore any existing nuance here, intentionally or not?

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Ok, so going back to this

Are you sure you actually want drama with nuance when you completely ignore any existing nuance here, intentionally or not?

You do realize I was only giving example why some people may enjoy cliche in one, especially lighter kind of stories, but not enjoy them in other stories, especially heavier ones? I didn't say anything about my preferences, just disagreed with your "gotcha" addressed to GreenOwlRanger.

Not that this story has much of nuance anyway. Yami is just "Boy's Abyss" character, but with less suicide, shitty person with sad flashback that can't help to not be a dick. Hikari is mostly pure girl, and Yuu is just well-meaning boy tied to drama train tracks. Hebikawa from Kusunoki-san is better evil love rival, because she's got way better design, with her snake eyes, and is self-destructive in funnier and more interesting way.

 

[Bdjosh23]

if you look at this manga objectively (people won’t) yuu has been a victim the entire story but instead of feeling sympathy for him, the comments hate on him for being “wishy-washy.” Mind you, his indecisiveness is due to the emotional distress he’s dealt with since the start of the manga

 

[GennArc]

You do realize I was only giving example why some people may enjoy cliche in one, especially lighter kind of stories, but not enjoy them in other stories, especially heavier ones? I didn't say anything about my preferences

Sure, it's just that most readers ignore nuances anyway, just like you did.

Hebikawa from Kusunoki-san is better evil love rival

There is no evil love rival in Saranami though.

 

[story645]

People like her won't be "fixed" by love or friendship, they need to understand they need therapy.

My otp is Aya/good therapist and I have written a treatise on how Aya/Yuu was toxic for both of 'em, but also we've seen her grow and open up in her friendship with Hikari.

I think largely b/c of who Hikari is in contrast to Yuu - Hikari forces a conversation on lying where Yuu doesn't, Hikari is persistent when Aya rejects her, Hikari quite literally reaches out her hand in the festival dance scene
(https://mangadex.org/chapter/b3eb9907-9760-4720-9fa1-1373b433a7c7/1).

I myself fell for this to some degree in previous chapters, thinking Yuu is bad guy to some degree in this situation. This chapter showed he always tried his best in hard and complicated situation, w

I don't think either of them is the bad guy particularly - to me this chapter kinda reaffirmed that they both thought the other one didn't care that much about 'em. Like Aya thought Yuu would be ok w/ her ghosting & Yuu thought she was just done w/ the fling & wouldn't want him looking. I read him crying at the end in part as realizing just how much he hurt her by not realizing just how serious she was. Which like a lot of relationships fail b/c the people involved didn't understand what the other person wanted out of it so I'm not gonna hammer inexperienced children for making that mistake.

And she blames him for not being obsessed creepy stalker ex, instead of someone who doesn't even try to blame her, understands that he shouldn't butt in, while still trying to be friendly and supporting to girl who clearly has issues.

Continuing on the theme of inexperienced children are really bad at communication, try seeing this from Aya's POV. Her interactions with Yuu were always three steps ahead of what's healthy (offering comfort on the second meeting, I love you like 3 months in, wanting to move in together at like 5 months), so in her head she's thinking what she's saying here - that if he loved her he'd also commit a boundary blurring not quite healthy action like showing up to her school. She literally can't see it from Yuu's point of view of wanting to respect her boundaries b/c that's not how she operates and she won't let Yuu tell her. Which yes admittedly not great but also she's not a mind reader and Yuu isn't being like "hold up, listen to me".

Mind you, his indecisiveness is due to the emotional distress he’s dealt with since the start of the manga

I feel like that take robs him of his agency. He had reasons for all his decisions sure, but like
he chose to date Aya instead of confessing to Hikari, he chose to not push Aya on her lies, he chose to go with the flow in their relationship, he chose to accept the ghosting, he chose to go to the festival knowing there might be an issue, he chose to confess to Hikari knowing she was upset. Did he have good reasons for each individual choice? Sure, but they did add up to two girls being hurt in part b/c of his actions & he's also accountable - which I think he understands giving the crying with Aya and thinking he's the worst with Hikari.

 

[Litreara]

I feel like that take robs him of his agency. He had reasons for all his decisions sure, but like
he chose to date Aya instead of confessing to Hikari, he chose to not push Aya on her lies, he chose to go with the flow in their relationship, he chose to accept the ghosting, he chose to go to the festival knowing there might be an issue, he chose to confess to Hikari knowing she was upset. Did he have good reasons for each individual choice? Sure, but they did add up to two girls being hurt in part b/c of his actions & he's also accountable - which I think he understands giving the crying with Aya and thinking he's the worst with Hikari.

I was about to write something along those lines, so thanks for saving me the trouble.

 

[ntwrklove]

not gonna lie i feel bad for yuu and yami. they're relationship was never healthy. i get why he couldn't leave while she was rambling. that was his first relationship and they never properly ended things. plus they're teenagers y'all ofc not all of them are gonna think things through! let them be messy and learn from their mistakes. i hope they learn how to communicate w each other better though like omg 😭

 

[story645]

i get why he couldn't leave while she was rambling.

Also he shouldn't leave - like it was rambly yes but it was also all the things she should have said to him while they were dating. If he's gonna claim that he cares about her as a person then he owes it to her to hear her out, however hard it is to listen to.

 

[Alzu]

So yes she's being irrational but I think in the context of their relationship it's about fairness. Like she feels she took the initiative to start their relationship (sex) and maintain it (planning their dates) and is expressing frustration that she feels he didn't take any initiative to try and save it.

My brother in Christ, did you even read the previous chapters? Yuu has been trying to deepen the relationship with Yami, but Yami refuse to let him in.