Isekai Munchkin -HP 1 no Mama de Saikyou Saisoku Danjon Kouryaku- - Vol. 9 Ch. 93 - Yukito VS Sado Gajou (Second Part)

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A few chapters ago there was a discussion on the death and resurrection rules, and those matched up pretty much 1-to-1 with Pathfinder 1st edition. They were definitely not 5e's rules, and I recall them being significantly different than 3.5e's as well (which would have been the closest system with all these excessive skill ranks).
Yeah, I'm not very familiar with Pathfinder. Much more with D&D 3.5 and 5. Although as far as I know, Pathfinder is very close to D&D 3.5. So I'm still using that as my reference for this series, even if it's a bit off.

If he slits that dudes throat hes fucking dead stats dont matter
At no point has this story restricted itself to accurately follow the games rules and structure so why the fuck would it do so now
For a story based on a game system, it's actually surprisingly accurate. If you slit someone's throat here, it'll do a certain amount of damage, and if that damage is less than the characters HP, the character won't die, unless there's some other special effect for it.

I mean, in the other direction, best girl killed MC with a bar of soap, which could only happen because some very specific game mechanics.
 
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Yeah, I'm not very familiar with Pathfinder. Much more with D&D 3.5 and 5. Although as far as I know, Pathfinder is very close to D&D 3.5. So I'm still using that as my reference for this series, even if it's a bit off.


For a story based on a game system, it's actually surprisingly accurate. If you slit someone's throat here, it'll do a certain amount of damage, and if that damage is less than the characters HP, the character won't die, unless there's some other special effect for it.

I mean, in the other direction, best girl killed MC with a bar of soap, which could only happen because some very specific game mechanics.
She threw it at his head and he fell over.
That can be easily explained away because you can absolutely die from tripping and hitting your head in real life
Like it doesnt matter how many magical good boy points and levels you have if your your throat gets slit so your lungs fill with blood and your brain suffocates you die.
Slitting somebodies throat is like drowning them the strength of your videogame attack makes hardly any difference its a sure kill move.
 
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That can be easily explained away because you can absolutely die from tripping and hitting your head in real life
It was the soap, not the fall. They explained exactly what happened and how it worked.

Like it doesnt matter how many magical good boy points and levels you have if your your throat gets slit so your lungs fill with blood and your brain suffocates you die.
Yes, that's how it works in the real world. This is not the real world. They've been very adamant at claiming this world works after the game's rules. They succeed or fail tasks entirely based on dice rolls. Combat is also done through dice rolls. Not absolutely every roll is shown, but enough are to assume there are hidden one as well.
 
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This is a fantasy world with game elements like every isekai ever
If he slits that dudes throat hes fucking dead stats dont matter
At no point has this story restricted itself to accurately follow the games rules and structure so why the fuck would it do so now
Dude got lightly hit by soap or something at one point and lost 1hp, which would be like a 10th of some glassier normal people's entire life too. In what world are the mechanics not being a big part of that?

Not to mention he got sneak attack damage on that backstab, whereas in real life being stabbed in the back wouldn't necessarily hurt more than the front.

Obviously there's some leeway in things, but there is also restrictions.
 
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Ok so why didnt he just fucking stab the dudes neck when he jumped him
He could have killed him 30 times already but instead he choses to duke it out
Whatever man
In this case, the most damage a backstab deal is critical damage. Depend on his hp/con/lvl difference, he can still survive even a critical attack.
 
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Slitting somebodies throat is like drowning them the strength of your videogame attack makes hardly any difference its a sure kill move.

It's less that he didn't /try/ to slit his throat, and more that the Dice rolls meant he didn't do enough damage to reflect Slitting his throat.

Take it this way, assume Sado has 10 HP. You attack him, you deal critical damage. But your dice rolls only amount to 9 HP worth of damage. Your DM isn't going to say you slit his throat and he's dead in the next couple of seconds. Because the numbers don't reflect that. The DM is supposed to make the numbers reflect the reality of the world. So, in this example the DM says, you rolled 9 for damage, you aimed for his throat, but he dodged out of the way at the last minute, so you dealt massive damage, but miss his vitals so he's still barely alive (with 1 HP, you generally would not know how much HP enemies have). Now if you rolled 10 for damage, the DM can say, you caught him off guard and plunge your dagger into his throat, he dies instantly.
 
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MC can grab Blur and Mirror Image at some point, if those spells exist, alongside the Invisibility spells. He’ll still have 1 HP but having a high AC means they’ll need a good roll to hit him.

In the Pathfinder PC game, the max difficulty killed you quick (if not in one hit) unless you stacked AC AND used those spells. Control spells like Grease helped immensely as well.
 
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In this case, the most damage a backstab deal is critical damage. Depend on his hp/con/lvl difference, he can still survive even a critical attack.
To be fair, he's already been hit by two sneak attacks.

In the Pathfinder PC game, the max difficulty killed you quick (if not in one hit) unless you stacked AC AND used those spells. Control spells like Grease helped immensely as well.
At those levels you're still kind of squishy. Sure, you're not the constantly in the one-hit area of level 1, but you still don't have a lot of leeway for unfortunate rolls.
 
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so how does it feel to read a Isekai that uses D&D level/Job class mechanics compared to the ones that use JRPG(MMO) ones?
Most of the series seemingly following game rules do it just for cosmetic purposes, and they don't actually follow the rules of any specific game, just a "nameless" game the author invented for the sake of the series. Such a game would make readers think of any PC/console RPGs they have played. So, the difference is quite big if a series actually tries to stick to real rules.

In any case, I don't really like experience points based level ups. The Elder Scrolls system of skill development is vastly superior. So, whether it's D&D or nameless pseudo RPG, it still keeps rubbing me the wrong way, as long as exp is involved.
 
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They succeed or fail tasks entirely based on dice rolls. Combat is also done through dice rolls. Not absolutely every roll is shown, but enough are to assume there are hidden one as well.
Dice rolls none of the beings in that universe see or know about
The dice just represents probability
They all act and move completely independent from these systems
Dude got lightly hit by soap or something at one point and lost 1hp, which would be like a 10th of some glassier normal people's entire life too. In what world are the mechanics not being a big part of that?

Not to mention he got sneak attack damage on that backstab, whereas in real life being stabbed in the back wouldn't necessarily hurt more than the front.

Obviously there's some leeway in things, but there is also restrictions.
"He died due to his videogame hp going to 0 therefore people cant drown or suffocate" Checks out
DnD sure as hell doesnt have any blood pressure and oxygen systems but this world very definitely does
This is generic anime rpg world with dice flavor nothing more
 
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Dice rolls none of the beings in that universe see or know about
The dice just represents probability
They all act and move completely independent from these systems

"He died due to his videogame hp going to 0 therefore people cant drown or suffocate" Checks out
DnD sure as hell doesnt have any blood pressure and oxygen systems but this world very definitely does
This is generic anime rpg world with dice flavor nothing more
While most beings are unaware of the dice rolls, they are an actual intradiegetic thing that happens and oversee most actions and reactions.

Some things in D&D require a roll while others don’t. Trying to convince someone? Roll. Trying to attack this dude? Roll. Wanna go to the fountain and eat a hot dog? No need to roll.

While we, as readers, don't often see the exact result of every roll, you'd be aware that lots of them happen if you read the walls of explanation(checks, saving throws, damage, etc...).

Yukito attacked Sado’s vitals but did not deal enough damage to instantly kill him, but did cause him to bleed which would have inevitably led to his death by blood loss(bleeding, a D&D mechanic.) if not for him healing himself. In both real life and D&D, you won’t cause an instant death just by piercing someone in a vital organ but they will die if left as is.
Had Sado’s HP hit 0, he would have died.

"oxygen systems" are actually a thing in D&D, taking 5e as an example, a character can hold their breath for 1 + their Constitution modifier minutes and 30 seconds if their modifier is negative. (Source: Sado's book)

This is legitimately “D&D: The Manga” and could very well be mistaken for one of the author’s past homebrew campaigns with how closely it follows D&D’s mechanics, rules, bestiary and aura.
 
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Yeah, I'm not very familiar with Pathfinder. Much more with D&D 3.5 and 5. Although as far as I know, Pathfinder is very close to D&D 3.5. So I'm still using that as my reference for this series, even if it's a bit off.

Yeah Pathfinder 1st edition is like D&D 3.75; they looked at 3.5 and said "hold my beer" and cranked some of that stuff to even stupider levels.

For the most part though, if you're familiar enough with 3.5 then the manga makes perfect sense. The only time it really "matters" that it's Pathfinder is if one of the quoted rules seems really off; in those instances 9 times out of 10 you can look it up on the Pathfinder SRD wiki and confirm that the author isn't just house-ruling something.
 
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in those instances 9 times out of 10 you can look it up on the Pathfinder SRD wiki and confirm that the author isn't just house-ruling something.
Well, I did that for the sneak attack damage, which according to the rules I saw, didn't include the +1. While it's a minor thing, that's why I say it's still not exact to any specific rule set. Though it doesn't need to be that exact either, since it's still far more by-the-book than any other game mechanic or rule-based manga I've seen.
 
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I am specifically reading this one because I enjoy watching the MC min/max these old Pathfinder rules. I find that it adds a bit more structure than the more generic "let's just pull RPG mechanics out of our ass" stories.

Another similar story (which doesn't have a manga sadly) is "Magic User: Reborn in Another World as a Max Level Wizard". That one only keeps the D&D spell lists/spells per day mechanics and adds a weird critical failure rule, so the joy there is watching the MC bounce off of all the other magic users who are using a JRPG casting system instead.
I was going to suggest "Majutsu Gakuin wo Shuseki de Sotsugyoushita Ore ga Boukensha wo Hajimeru no wa sonna ni okashii darouka" but they don't focus on the rules so I am not sure if you would like it
 
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I was going to suggest "Majutsu Gakuin wo Shuseki de Sotsugyoushita Ore ga Boukensha wo Hajimeru no wa sonna ni okashii darouka" but they don't focus on the rules so I am not sure if you would like it

That's a fun series that I fell behind on and really need to buckle down and binge again.

Really I love most any of these fantasy/isekai stories, especially if they have solid world building, so I appreciate the recommendation.
 
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That's a fun series that I fell behind on and really need to buckle down and binge again.

Really I love most any of these fantasy/isekai stories, especially if they have solid world building, so I appreciate the recommendation.
oh yeah no the story's good and funny if it is world building you want to focus on I would also suggest Hanyman Saitou in another world too its gotten a anime I haven't seen it but the manga with its short but funny chapters is good
 

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