Isekai Yakkyoku - Ch. 55 - Palle and the Parallel World Pharmacy

[Seinvolf]

Thank u always for ur great work...
^^...

 

[Doomroar]

The problem with this is that Palle is so intent on preserving the name and dignity of his family that he's dismissing claims without calm review. Rather than the 'That sounds interesting, but I'm skeptical until I see reasonable proof' stance that natural philosophers, scientists, and medical professionals should maintain, Palle immediately leaps to name-calling and slapping the shit out of family members. "How dare you--?!" because someone makes a hard-to-believe claim is pretty close to religious outrage. It's not scientifically, logically, or even philosophically sound.

Palle is literally letting his own, personal dogma stand between him and medical treatment.

Falma is about 10 is doing all this without a proper explanation, and you expect him to just roll with it?

May as well just blind fold himself and jump off a cliff at that point

 

[AlphaFlow]

Thanks for the quality FULL chapter!

 

[gmhh]

Falma is about 10 is doing all this without a proper explanation, and you expect him to just roll with it?

May as well just blind fold himself and jump off a cliff at that point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

Basically, when a person of science or philosophy is presented with something they don't understand, you ask questions and scrutinize it to reason out the edges of it. "I don't think this is true," HAS to be met with "Why don't I think this is true? What are the specific contradictions that it makes? Is my assumption logically valid?"

This is Bronze-age stuff, and Palle is from the early-mid Renaissance. Any student of medicine or surgery is going to have this so pounded into their heads, possibly along with the Scientific Method, that they SHOULD have difficulty thinking in any other way.

'This thing that seems ridiculous to me also seems to have some kind of rational consistency. I need to take a damn closer look at it to be more certain of what's happening rather than just jumping to conclusions.' It would be absolutely necessary for diagnosing diseases or performing surgical operations.

In Palle's defense, he believes he's dying with pretty good evidence. That'd give anyone some serious desperation.

As son of one of the most prestigious surgeons in the country attending one of the most prestigious universities in that same country, Palle should never have the option of being ABLE to dismiss statements like the ones Pharma and Ellen make with such emotion. He answers with anger and fury when he should be answering with cold logic like,

"Pharma, you're not even shaving yet. How can I possibly believe these ludicrously-seeming claims?"

Pharma's dad DOES do this earlier in the story, when he's trying to refuse to let his son practice untried medicine on the Queen. I haven't read any source material, so I can only assume that because of the contrast there, the author is doing this on purpose: Palle is emotionally unqualified to be a physician.

 

[jean-chuck]

Me tried to recall the memory of learning biologi 10 yrs ago....

 

[Doomroar]

'This thing that seems ridiculous to me also seems to have some kind of rational consistency. I need to take a damn closer look at it to be more certain of what's happening rather than just jumping to conclusions.' It would be absolutely necessary for diagnosing diseases or performing surgical operations.

And that's precisely why he allowed to have Palma explain himself, which is what led to the events of chp 55.2

However before this there's no reason for him to play along with any of the baseless claims his brother gave him

Now that he has been given bases to his claims, he has to do some mental gymnastics to accept how valid they actually are, because the technology, techniques, terminology, and the paradigm itself from which Palma is explaining his diagnosis straight out contradict what he has been educated into, the only link of credence being the microscope which Falma also just so happens to for unknown reasons, have a conveniently more advanced version of

 

[CrazyChuck]

Can someone smack the brother? He keeps hitting everything and damaging fragile equipment like a spoiled child

 

[Dragon-Trainer]

Id like to remind everyone in this serious moment that this is labeled as a comedy…

 

[xpsox]

soo, is bro gonna go bald?

He will

 

[DarkeLourd]

interestingly, the theories Palle explained is how people in the past understand human health as well (in Western medicines, that is)

They also immediately touch on how drawn blood will gradually settle, which has in modern times been hypothesized to be where the idea of the four humors came from.

Robin Fåhræus (1921), a Swedish physician who devised the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, suggested that the four humors were based upon the observation of blood clotting in a transparent container. When blood is drawn in a glass container and left undisturbed for about an hour, four different layers can be seen: a dark clot forms at the bottom (the "black bile"); above the clot is a layer of red blood cells (the "blood"); above this is a whitish layer of white blood cells (the "phlegm"); the top layer is clear yellow serum (the "yellow bile").

 

[gmhh]

They also immediately touch on how drawn blood will gradually settle, which has in modern times been hypothesized to be where the idea of the four humors came from.

Robin Fåhræus (1921), a Swedish physician who devised the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, suggested that the four humors were based upon the observation of blood clotting in a transparent container. When blood is drawn in a glass container and left undisturbed for about an hour, four different layers can be seen: a dark clot forms at the bottom (the "black bile"); above the clot is a layer of red blood cells (the "blood"); above this is a whitish layer of white blood cells (the "phlegm"); the top layer is clear yellow serum (the "yellow bile").

I like the bit earlier in the story where Pharma's looking at the table of elements being taught at Palle's university and thinks, 'Oh, they're still listing fire as an element.' This nails down 'Flogiston' theory in-universe, which is roughly in the same historical neighborhood as 'Humour' theory.

On their surface, they seem ridiculous, until you realize that they're both initial efforts to grasp at something misunderstood. 'Humours' comes from the separation of blood into layers by its fluid and cellular content, when we were just barely able to get glass ground finely enough to make crude telescopes, let alone microscopes.

Likewise, 'Fire' on the Periodic Chart, and 'Flogiston' are attempts to understand the nature of combustion. Without 'Flogistication', we would not have many of our modern chemical advances that rely on oxidation in one form or another.

This is a theme I REALLY like in the story. Most of the people Pharma interacts with are doing their best with the knowledge they have available to them, certain villains excluded. It's just the knowledge they have is.... well... just barely into the renaissance. The plague doctors he works with are lovely examples of this!

 

[fight2live]

who said manga can't be educational? i certainly learn a lot from this one

 

[Savok]

Why are we saving the brother again? And why aren't they just calling him a giant arsehole that needs to shut up?

His tutor became his employee, he has a giant, very popular pharmacy with royal blessing and is rattling off a list of your symptoms you haven't even told him about. At some point you need to accept the entire world isn't bending over backwards for a child to play at being doctor.

 

[Shinigamisama]

Why does this look familiar. I remember commenting about that slap.

I can't believe I just learned about biology, and I'm not complaining. Learning while doing something fun is great. Oh and the cells look super cute!

I returned here and saw more book reports/theses written. Much intellectual discussion. So wow.

 

[x_renon_x]

@dexec this got repeated. It seems one of them are not the right one.

 

[Nyantardo]

Brain hurt

 

[dahhv2]

Pharma... it's time to let the idiot die. He is literally too stupid to live. Prolonging his life will only allow his faulty, mutated genes to contaminate the pool.

I haven't read any source material. I assume this has a LN or WN backing it? It'd be interesting to see what happens if Moronomo actually does decline treatment.

He's just skeptical, which is normal. The guy was living under the rock the whole time that he didn't even know that his brother is a big shot in his own country.

 

[theShear]

Long Text

In addition to that we can see how his behaviour changes. The Trigger is when Falma presents documentation he is familiar with but our MC should have no way to know about to his knowledge, with pictures taken by a even more advanced version of the Microscope he is familiar with. After that point he slowly sets into asking question instead of "questioning" what he sees.

 

[Wolvenworks]

That doesn’t sound good innit?

 

[residentFATBOY]

And that's precisely why he allowed to have Palma explain himself, which is what led to the events of chp 55.2

However before this there's no reason for him to play along with any of the baseless claims his brother gave him

Now that he has been given bases to his claims, he has to do some mental gymnastics to accept how valid they actually are, because the technology, techniques, terminology, and the paradigm itself from which Palma is explaining his diagnosis straight out contradict what he has been educated into, the only link of credence being the microscope which Falma also just so happens to for unknown reasons, have a conveniently more advanced version of

You're missing the point. Palle should not be reacting so emotionally to these claims. You've also mischaracterized them as "baseless" when they're anything but. Skepticism is good, dismissiveness isn't.