Itai no wa Iya nanode Bougyo-Ryoku ni Kyokufuri Shitai to Omoimasu - Vol. 1 Ch. 5

[Wolvenworks]

@Landale remind me what an off-tank is again? i usually play solo so my builds usually end up to something like a damage-tank? (eg: Marauder/Warrior in FFXIV)

 

[sketches]

@Fluffums
Nah, go all in on tanks. You obviously haven't been into Overwatch lately.
https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/25/18239845/overwatch-goats-meta-triple-tank-explainer
GOATS comp is basically no DPS and more survivability (3 tanks, 3 healers). So boring and so trolly.

 

[Fluffums]

Overwatch is not an MMO, and our MC here has max survivability anyway.

And you don't need an offtank if the main tank takes 0 damage no matter how many enemies she's up against (99% of game content doesn't require an offtank to begin with). You need dps to kill faster. Or maybe a healer, especially since they usually have defense buffs. Tank + Healer combos have the easiest time filling up groups, too.

Double tank will somehow turn out great for these two because it's based on a web novel and all the dumb decisions they make always turn out well. But if IRL your friend says she plays a tank, and you want to play with her more than once or twice a week, pick anything but a tank.

 

[GerryCerryBery]

i still wonder, how maple wants to keep the aggro in a party? Full on defense, no attack(= no dmg), so only taunt skills? The dmg dealers get focused down a lot by the monsters.

 

[monkey123]

Tank>all 😃

 

[JackApostrophe]

Spoiler

Maple does take damage. She's only invulnerable at the beginning because the developers failed to include defence penetrating skills and effects. That gets patched in. She also gains skills that let her take damage in place of her party members.

Sally isn't a tank in the traditional sense, she just has superhuman gaming skill and avoids everything. Her stats and skills make her more of a jack of all trades and it's the aforementioned level of skill that makes her as ridiculous as Maple.

 

[Brutu]

Finally Sally is here. To be honest she's my least likable character in Maple's group. Maple is all right, she does it unknowingly and it's all her luck. Sally on the other hand has O MY PRO GAMER REFLEX going on. It's too much of a mary sue for me.

@kingalthur

Spoiler

Sally isn't balanced. She's almost normal but not balanced at all. The samurai girl is the most balanced in Maple's guild.

 

[panjooel]

catch a cold in virtual world???!! this is what makes me more reason to drop this

 

[Landale]

@Wolvenworks In MMOs it's not uncommon for bosses to have mechanics forcing a tank swap, such as stacking vulnerability debuffs, or requiring the occasional adds to be picked up but can't be safely handled by the main tank. In which case you have the off tank present for that, and the rest of the time they focus on optimizing their DPS.

 

[Wolvenworks]

@Landale so like a plan B of some sort? wait that would make me an off-tank then?

 

[Landale]

They can be a plan B, but not necessarily. When those situations come up it's usually part of the design. Plan B off tank would be, in a raid that occasionally requires one, that during a fight that does not the main tank goes down and the off tank can still pick up and save the wipe.

 

[Glomoro]

@Wolvenworks A good example I remember is in FFXIV, on Shiva. This boss has a weapon swapping mechanic. During the staff phase, she'll be stacking a debuff on the tank that makes them vulnerable to slashing damage. When she swaps to sword and shield, she's now doing slashing damage so that tank's not going to be very tanky anymore, would be a real strain on the healers to keep them up at that point. So, the off-tank picks up... just in time to start taking hits with the sword that is now stacking debuffs for blunt damage vulnerability.

I agree with @Landale, plan B is more like when the tank and any official off-tank have already gone down. I seem to recall more than a few emergency scenarios during my WoW days where a DPS or healer druid would pop bear form because the tank(s) had gone down and the boss or adds needed to be controlled so the real tank(s) could be rezzed without the healers going down in the process.

 

[TehSDragon]

@AckSed Slice of life MMO is a pretty nice genre. Reminds me of https://mangadex.org/title/12453/toaru-ossan-no-vrmmo-katsudouki and https://mangadex.org/title/21954/nonbiri-vrmmo-ki - the latter especially for the whole "BBS must protecc" aspect

 

[NaniTheFuck]

Lol this small community of anon group ahhahaha

 

[arkhangelsk]

Finally Sally is here. To be honest she's my least likable character in Maple's group. Maple is all right, she does it unknowingly and it's all her luck. Sally on the other hand has O MY PRO GAMER REFLEX going on. It's too much of a mary sue for me.

I can understand where the unhappiness with Sally comes from, and agree that if she was the protagonist, she'd have been disgusting. But the two of them together with Sally as the lancer actually takes away the disgusting bits from each other.
The author didn't have a lot of options, anyway. It is OK for Kasumi and all the others to be one step behind Maple, but Maple needs at least one fully equal partner for balance. The author is using up most of his unconventional ideas for Maple, so Sally can only be a conventional player. A conventional player cannot hope to have a late start and hit a lot of "in-the-woods" jackpot. So all the author can really do is to give Sally a ridiculous amount of player skill.

 

[Psychronia]

I can see why these girls are friends. Two goofballs that enjoy games just for messing around.

Can't wait to see what kind of demon Sally becomes.

 

[unknownids]

this is some of the most wholesome shit ive read in a while.

 

[Kampfarsch]

"it seems time is sped up so the time in game and IRL wont match"
uuuhhh so actual time dilation or just fast ingame days ? who the fuck answers to a question of when an event happens in ingame days?
its probably some accel world type bullshit
funny how they just mention that on the side like its no big deal

a lot of stories just have that kind of technology without acknowledging how fucking insane that is
depending on how strong it is you could
have people do a weeks worth of work in a day
go through hundreds of important tactical decisions in seconds
read the entirety of harry potter in a day
study medicine in a few weeks

 

[mahtan]

I'm going to party with the ultimate tank so the best is to make a dodge tank... Really?
Just make an assassin, Agi+Dex, or a crusher, STR+Dex, that way you can kill things while the tank takes the hits....

Sally should have put all in agi.

 

[Kitanos]

Creepy chat groups are annoying. They mean well but it's still creepy as fuck