Kasane to Subaru - Vol. 5 Ch. 41

[Kireato]

Ok, a clinic in Ohio and a newspaper? Peer reviewed study, please.

It appears you've made up your mind if you're not interested to do any research after seeing those. I guess you've already read peer reviewed studies showing that, as you stated, alcohol in moderation wasn't harmful?

Your whole attitude screams “no one should be allowed to do things I think are bad.”

That's just wrong. I myself do things that I know are harmful because it's enjoyable (such as occasionally drinking alcohol) but I'm not going to state it isn't harmful when research by others state that it is.

You come off as completely insufferable

I feel that you have misunderstood me on many points (above being one example) but that's just how the cookie crumbles.

Thanks for being explaining this for so much detail, but I don't think your intended recipient would like to read or think this much about it. I appreciate it, even if it is a bit tangential. I just hope people can learn to keep out of other's business.

You are indeed correct; I do not believe that the recipient is very receptive here. I'll still give it a fair shot.

However, I don't think people can or should keep out of other's business, since we live in society. (To start with, what exactly do you define as a person's own business?) Once you're out in public, your behaviour is pretty much everyone's business, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_laws_by_country so in the scope of this topic, it's reasonable to talk about whether it's appropriate to crossdress in public.

I hope this leads you to the right direction.

My views remain unchanged. Wearing male or female clothing is equivalent. I will add that clothing fashion is transient (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-heeled_shoe ).

I still don't know what your issue is with crossdressing as a public hobby since you refuse to elaborate. It seems that you wish to prevent male to female crossdressing in public because slutty female clothing exist and you do not wish to see any males wearing slutty female clothing (although you are fine with females wearing them and males being in swimwear on the beach).

 

[Thrembs]

looks back at this disaster of a thread
…the internet sure is a place full of rabbit holes, huh.

 

[SilverSupreme]

I don't know, but there's a difference with consuming content in FANZA as a private hobby compared to crossdressing as a public hobby for people to see, which seems like a fetish to me.

This whole chapter the mangaka just built a strawman to justify crossdressing as a public hobby.

Comparing drinking alcohol to crossdressing is just weak to me as well. I'm fine with that hobby as long as you keep it to yourselves like porn consumption. I don't need to know what you're into.

How did you make it 41 chapters into a manga about crossdressing while having such strong opinions against crossdressing?

Edit: also did you really compare this relatively harmless romance-office worker slice of life manga to Mein Kampf? Why are you even here? Shouldn’t you be off committing a hate crime or driving to a school board meeting in another county to say Doctor Suess is poisoning the youth?

Did you know that men used to wear tunics and togas which are basically just dresses?
Did you know that up until the beginning of the 20th century it was illegal for women in the US to wear pants? Did you know that women used to get beaten, arrested, sexually assaulted, killed, and chased by lynch mobs simply for wearing pants?

You’re just repeating history here, and standing on the wrong side of it at that.

Also stop using corrupting children as an excuse. Which children are reading a manga about office workers approaching 30 dealing with trying to find new apartments, new jobs, and adult dating?
If I found a kid reading this, I’d be concerned for other reasons. Like why they care more about fictional characters paying rent than Bluey.

 

[SilverSupreme]

Motherfuckers nowadays really get upset that a man wants to wear a dress while ignoring that for centuries, men wore pantyhose and dressed like they were about to do drag.
They dressed like this in an era where they also killed each other with swords. These guys were more hardcore than modern day haters will ever be.

It’s almost like fashion is ever changing and that things people aren’t familiar with make them uncomfortable. Western men have only been dressing the way they dress today since the 18th century - even then most things worn then would be flamboyant or dandyish by modern standards.

 

[TheNoteBlock]

Ugh this chapter had me crying buckets. I was just talking the other day with a friend about familial relationships, and how strained mine are (due to many factors, but LGBT stuff is a big one so the crossdressing is extremely relevant). My own brother even shared a few of the arguments Subaru's does.

The idea of standing up for my own feelings so aggressively is out of the question for me, as I don't see my parents as even having the potential to be "friends" or equals in any sort of way. But my friend was saying that doing so in his own relationship with his parents has improved it significantly, now that he feels they treat each other more as equals (we're both adults, probably around Subaru's age).

Reading this chapter so soon after that conversation with my friend.... maybe he's right. I don't like that I get anxious whenever my phone goes off for fear it's from my parents. If standing up for my own feelings more is what it takes for it to get better, that's starting to seem more and more like an appealing option.

 

[Crystalball]

Ugh this chapter had me crying buckets. I was just talking the other day with a friend about familial relationships, and how strained mine are (due to many factors, but LGBT stuff is a big one so the crossdressing is extremely relevant). My own brother even shared a few of the arguments Subaru's does.

The idea of standing up for my own feelings so aggressively is out of the question for me, as I don't see my parents as even having the potential to be "friends" or equals in any sort of way. But my friend was saying that doing so in his own relationship with his parents has improved it significantly, now that he feels they treat each other more as equals (we're both adults, probably around Subaru's age).

Reading this chapter so soon after that conversation with my friend.... maybe he's right. I don't like that I get anxious whenever my phone goes off for fear it's from my parents. If standing up for my own feelings more is what it takes for it to get better, that's starting to seem more and more like an appealing option.

Love is hard, a lot of times that failure to commit in front of people pushing at you is what goads them to continue doing so, because they see someone wavering and they want to "help" you. If you just don't back down, people can feel that you are standing on your own feet as a clearheaded adult and feel more secure in accepting the differences in opinion. Results may vary of course, but at the very least you'll feel better about yourself and possibly even gain a greater understanding of what you want due to having to vocalize and defend it. Just a good skill to learn in life.