Kono Koi wo Hoshi ni wa Negawanai - Vol. 5 Ch. 23

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I dont know man this feels pretty cheap to me. I dont really feel like them being together is good for either of them... you dont just "learn" to love some one by being beat over the head with thier feelings and on the flip side constantly trying to whittle down some ones feels to confer with your own just isnt healthy or sustainable.. them talking and coming to understand each others view of one another sure... but then knowing how the other feels and just choosing to force a relationship isnt a good ending to me
Eri has shown multiple times that she changes the way she feels about someone once she's started dating them. She just doesn't ever feel things of her own volition toward others - except, as it turns out, when it comes to Fuyuki.

Something I think multiple people here are either missing, or discounting outright, is that Fuyuki has always been a special case in Eri's eyes. It might not have been the same kind of (romantic) love that Fuyuki has always felt for her, but it's been a significant, "you are my most treasured" feeling all the same.

She always just ...never knew how Fuyuki felt, because Fuyuki determined on her own that confessing to Eri would fail. Eri is blind to romance and sexual attraction, and has to be shown those emotions and sentiments from someone before she can convey them back. Fuyuki might have actually succeeded long before now, but her fear of rejection, understandably based on her observation of Eri in their history together, means they have no way of knowing if that was the case.

But Eri knows now, and she's made the decision to try, because Fuyuki is important enough to her that she'd make every effort to see things work between them, in whatever manner or capacity that may be. She only asks that Fuyuki try alongside her, and to not run away or hide things, to give them the best chance.

Nothing's being forced, but it's not being treated as an effortless, "happens because it's deserved" done-deal. And that's honestly incredibly realistic, when you get down to it, and doesn't necessarily automatically mean a "bad ending" for them.
 
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Yea, I'm demiace and I also really loved this development.

It's pretty crazy of some folks here acting as if it's impossible for people to change and settle into relationship dynamics, even if it starts out with issues. The two of them already talking about it and knowing of the presence of the imbalance is leagues ahead of countless IRL couples with far more unhealthy imbalances that barely anybody ever bats an eye at.

There's no point is comparing this to "IRL couples with far more unhealthy imbalances." Each relationship should be analyzed on own merits. Personally, it's Fuyuki I'm worried about with this ending. She was very honest about her desires and her worries, and Eri can't be sure she will ever be able to respond to her feelings. It's kinda funny Eri calls Fuyuki's worries "vague," when really is Eri who's being vague about this whole thing.

I don't know if this relationship can work out. What I do can say is that this arrangement puts Fuyuki in a bad spot. She will always have to be the one to initite things, physically-speaking, and will always have to bear the anxiety of not knowing how Eri feels about it. To each their own, I guess, but I wouldn't want to be part of such a stressful relationship.
 
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Eri is blind to romance and sexual attraction, and has to be shown those emotions and sentiments from someone before she can convey them back.

She literally says that seeing someone in a romantic light doesn't mean you fell in love. And the reason she says this is probably because her idea of "seeing someone in a romantic light" is just her internalizing her partners feelings and conveying back like a mirror, without being emotionally (or sexually) invested in it. To me, that suggests she's pretty much asexual. Which is consistent with her claiming she has never felt like kissing someone else.

But Eri knows now, and she's made the decision to try, because Fuyuki is important enough to her that she'd make every effort to see things work between them, in whatever manner or capacity that may be. She only asks that Fuyuki try alongside her, and to not run away or hide things, to give them the best chance.

Nothing's being forced, but it's not being treated as an effortless, "happens because it's deserved" done-deal. And that's honestly incredibly realistic, when you get down to it, and doesn't necessarily automatically mean a "bad ending" for them.

I think he meant the relationship is forced because they're sexually incompatible. Eri's pretty much asexual. Never even felt like kissing someone else or having sex. She did it to please their partners but she was never invested in it. Fuyuki on the other hand, is very much sexually attracted to Eri. She said as much this chapter. Can this kind of relationship really work. No idea, but I think it's perfectibility valid to doubt it can work out, and to feel unsatisfied with this ending.

About this ending being realistic... I see it the other way around. I think the realistic ending would be for them to just part ways.
 
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There's no point is comparing this to "IRL couples with far more unhealthy imbalances." Each relationship should be analyzed on own merits. Personally, it's Fuyuki I'm worried about with this ending. She was very honest about her desires and her worries, and Eri can't be sure she will ever be able to respond to her feelings. It's kinda funny Eri calls Fuyuki's worries "vague," when really is Eri who's being vague about this whole thing.

I don't know if this relationship can work out. What I do can say is that this arrangement puts Fuyuki in a bad spot. She will always have to be the one to initite things, physically-speaking, and will always have to bear the anxiety of not knowing how Eri feels about it. To each their own, I guess, but I wouldn't want to be part of such a stressful relationship.
I dunno - I feel like that only comes true if you assume that they're both incapable of growth from this point forward.

Eri was ignorant of Fuyuki's true feelings all this time because Fuyuki was too afraid to say anything out loud. Eri has also put forth the effort to even have this conversation, so she's invested enough to try and figure things out with Fuyuki together, for the sake of being able to keep Fuyuki in her life because she's just that important to Eri.

Yes, it's not a sure thing, but Eri's capable of reciprocating affection, and if Fuyuki learns to communicate more openly, then Eri can know where they stand, and on top of all of that, they have a deep foundation of connection and affection to build on, that Eri never shared with anyone else.

Fuyuki is Eri's everything, even if it's not currently in a romantic light. That's not never going to change, especially if Fuyuki can be more communicative. Saying it won't work or that Fuyuki's the only one bearing the burden of potential heartbreak is kinda denying the growth Eri's done thus far, and the fact that they both care about each other as much as they do.
It'll take work, but then, everything that's worth it, does.

Edit - since you responded mid-me typing this:
She literally says that seeing someone in a romantic light doesn't mean you fell in love. And the reason she says this is probably because her idea of "seeing someone in a romantic light" is just her internalizing her partners feelings and conveying back like a mirror, without being emotionally (or sexually) invested in it. To me, that suggests she's pretty much asexual. Which is consistent with her claiming she has never felt like kissing someone else.

Can you point to what page (or what chapter) she "literally" says the part you referenced? The closest I could find in ch.23 was on p.43, where she says
It's only after someone tells me that they love me that I start to see them in a romantic light. That's the kind of person I am.
That doesn't sound like the same thing you said, so if you're referring to something else, then I'm happy to be corrected.
Never mind, I found the page (p.46).

But I think it does hinge on "guarantee" being the operative word, and she's asking that they bank on taking the chance, because the upside is worth even the potential of the downside.

Ultimately, it's up to the individual's interpretation on whether this will work out between them. But I don't think either are acting against their characters, or that this is even necessarily a bad call on the part of the author.

Eri and Fuyuki love one another, and while not the same kind in the moment, it's enough that Eri wants to make the effort and do her best, and she's asking Fuyuki to meet her partway.

And if Fuyuki can be honest and clear about what she wants, then Eri can reciprocate, and she wants to reciprocate, because Fuyuki is important to her and she wants this to work out between them. It'll simply take work on both of their parts.
 
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she later explains that being confessed to gives her new vision.
Since Kyo is shown in one of the panels when she's explaining that, I wouldn't take her word as face value. To me, it's more like she forces herself to reciprocate and see her partner of the moment in a "romantic light." That's what she did with Kyo, after all. But it was never real romantic feelings, let alone sexual attraction. Just Eri forcing herself. I bet all her relationships have been like that.
 
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Eri was ignorant of Fuyuki's true feelings all this time because Fuyuki was too afraid to say anything out loud. Eri has also put forth the effort to even have this conversation, so she's invested enough to try and figure things out with Fuyuki together, for the sake of being able to keep Fuyuki in her life because she's just that important to Eri.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. When I said "invested" I meant more like sexually invested. It all hearkens back to her stating she has never felt like kissing someone. She has kissed plenty of people, had sex with some of them too. But her feelings, her sexual feelings, were never part of it. That's fine as Eri is concerned. But can Fuyuki be okay with that. Can she be okay with always being the one that desires her partner while her partner can't desire her back? Well, I don't have the answer to that, maybe they will be fine. But Fuyuki does express her worries about this and Eri just brushes her off, saying Fuyuki's worries are "vague." No, they aren't vague. Fuyuki's worries make total sense and are very clear.

Fuyuki is Eri's everything, even if it's not currently in a romantic light. That's not never going to change, especially if Fuyuki can be more communicative.

Well, it depends what you think "romantic light" means to Eri. She said she came to see her previous partners in a "romantic light" but she also said that seeing them in a "romantic light" is not the same thing as falling in love with them. Which means she has never fallen in love. On top of that, she also said she never felt like kissing them. So, Eri's definition of "romantic light" doesn't feel very romantic at all. But let's suppose that Fuyuki's somehow an exception and Eri can fall in love with her... that still doesn't mean she can feel sexual attraction for Fuyuki....

So there are many hurdles to take into account.

Saying it won't work or that Fuyuki's the only one bearing the burden of potential heartbreak is kinda denying the growth Eri's done thus far, and the fact that they both care about each other as much as they do.

I never said it's not gonna work out. It's a story, if the author wants it to work out, it will. But I think it's valid to feel it's a bit unrealistic and forced if it does work out. You don't have to agree though. I'm not trying to force my opinion on you. I'm just trying to explain my point of view and why I think this ending is somewhat unrealistic to me.
 
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I always have to lock in when reading this manga. The dialogue between Fuyuki and Eri is always so intense. One of my faves!

I personally liked the ending because this whole story was about the conflicts that arose because Eri and Fuyuki always played it "safe" with each other, out of preservation of their relationship. So taking this giant risk to try a romantic relationship was something they had to try because they couldn't stand either of them dating someone else. It's going to take a lot of effort and I think even if their relationship doesn't work out in the end, I think Eri and Fuyuki won't regret attempting it instead of being stuck in a "what if" for the rest of their lives.
 
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I take umbrage with everyone claiming that Eri doesn't have romantic feelings for Fuyuki. I think it's pretty clear that she's had romantic feelings this entire time. When she says, "my love isn't the same as yours" that's because Eri experiences romance in a completely different way from most people and/or Fuyuki. She said, "I've never thought about kissing you" not because she doesn't want to but because she's just literally never thought about kissing her before, simple as that. In fact, she brings that up to imply that she's receptive to kissing and further in the future.

I think things will work out for them. All a relationship really needs is for both parties to care for each other, and for them to want to continue the relationship. Everything else can be worked out over time. And Eri and Fuyuki definitely meet those requirements.
 
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I guess I wasn't clear enough. When I said "invested" I meant more like sexually invested. It all hearkens back to her stating she has never felt like kissing someone. She has kissed plenty of people, had sex with some of them too. But her feelings, her sexual feelings, were never part of it. That's fine as Eri is concerned. But can Fuyuki be okay with that. Can she be okay with always being the one that desires her partner while her partner can't desire her back? Well, I don't have the answer to that, maybe they will be fine. But Fuyuki does express her worries about this and Eri just brushes her off, saying Fuyuki's worries are "vague." No, they aren't vague. Fuyuki's worries make total sense and are very clear.



Well, it depends what you think "romantic light" means to Eri. She said she came to see her previous partners in a "romantic light" but she also said that seeing them in a "romantic light" is not the same thing as falling in love with them. Which means she has never fallen in love. On top of that, she also said she never felt like kissing them. So, Eri's definition of "romantic light" doesn't feel very romantic at all. But let's suppose that Fuyuki's somehow an exception and Eri can fall in love with her... that still doesn't mean she can feel sexual attraction for Fuyuki....

So there are many hurdles to take into account.



I never said it's not gonna work out. It's a story, if the author wants it to work out, it will. But I think it's valid to feel it's a bit unrealistic and forced if it does work out. You don't have to agree though. I'm not trying to force my opinion on you. I'm just trying to explain my point of view and why I think this ending is somewhat unrealistic to me.
I actually think the bit where Eri mentions romantic light not equalling love was geared at Kyou, specifically, rather than a hint at how every relationship she's been in has gone.

Kyou was a special case fer Eri, because she only saw him as a childhood friend, but agreed to date him because Kyou said that he wouldn't hold it against Eri if she still prioritized Fuyuki. Because Eri always put Fuyuki first, and it contributed to multiple relationships ending.

Even if it wasn't romantic love, it was far past something like mere childhood friends for Fuyuki and Eri, and Eri has said as such.

That's kinda why I suspect it could work between them. Even before all this during the filming trip, Eri found herself frustratingly jealous of Senpai on multiple occasions, and despaired when she realized she wasn't Fuyuki's number one, or the one closest at her side.

I realize it doesn't mean we can predict the future for them, but their specific dynamic is unique in Eri's case, even accounting for her current lack of romantic feelings toward Fuyuki, and I suspect that she could develop romantic feelings and even learn to initiate with Fuyuki over time - even if it is a process of "faking it until she makes it", as it were.

We only know for certain that Eri never initially developed feelings on her own for someone, not necessarily that she doesn't show romantic gestures of her own volition once in a relationship. We only really have an explicit window into her relationship witu Kyou, who I think can be said to be an outlier for her, because she initially didn't want to, but only relented once Kyou insisted Eri wouldn't have to put Fuyuki second in his case (not that he upheld that promise, but).

But I am also not looking to convince you to change your stance, as I do think it's not smart to try and predict whether they'll go the distance. But I appreciate hearing your perspective on the matter, if only to help me better understand and learn how to articulate my own - and I think part of the funf of good manga series is seeing how people interpret the story in various ways and through various lenses.
 
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This is a great milestone, and pretty much what I figured had to happen if it was going towards a happy ending.

IIRC a major reason Eri's past relationships failed was not "you're not putting out enough" but "you're putting Fuyuki above your boyfriend." She won't have that problem now.

Lots of couples don't have perfectly symmetric sex drives, and lots of those still manage. This might be a more extreme case, but we don't even really know that. Eri's feelings might grow; they might stay sex-neutral but that'd be enough for Fuyuki; it might not be enough but they might open up, where Fuyuki gets more sex from another partner but is still romantically life-bonded with Eri. This is hardly a doomed relationship, even if there's no guarantee it'll work out.

Eri just brushes her off, saying Fuyuki's worries are "vague." No, they aren't vague. Fuyuki's worries make total sense and are very clear.

Fuyuki's worry might be clear, but she doesn't know if the worry will come true, and can't know. This isn't something they can figure out by talking it over. Trying it out is the way forward; that's Eri's point.
 
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I think it would work and isn't forced at all.
First she said what all knew already, she doesn't had feeling for anyone just when they declared their feeling is when she started to seeing them in a different light but this time knowing fuyus feeling she took the initiative to start this relationship.

Second she doesn't want their relationship star fresh like nothing happens she wants a relationship when both can talk sincerely about their feeling without a mask

About sexual desire still could work, il talking from my pov since is similar my case, I've a long relationship and I've always considered my self not so much sexual active person( I could live without and I'm totally fine) I don't have desire but my gf does, and it's not a burden to me please her bc she's the one I love, so I would do whatever she wants. I think it could be similar to eri, it won't be force bc fuyu is the most important person for her.
 
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Eri has shown multiple times that she changes the way she feels about someone once she's started dating them. She just doesn't ever feel things of her own volition toward others - except, as it turns out, when it comes to Fuyuki.

Something I think multiple people here are either missing, or discounting outright, is that Fuyuki has always been a special case in Eri's eyes. It might not have been the same kind of (romantic) love that Fuyuki has always felt for her, but it's been a significant, "you are my most treasured" feeling all the same.

I've gone back and reread the chapter a few times as well as previous chapters and I think what you're saying here is especially relevant. It's understandable that the difference in their attraction and love towards each other sets off a few alarms for people, Miwa and Tamaki's relationship from HDWR comes to mind. But I think many are making the mistake of viewing their relationship purely from that angle and as a result, disregarding much of what has happened leading up to this point. All the jealousy, possessiveness, the panic and all the negative emotions that Eri went through when the idea that she might not be Fuyuki's #1 priority looked like it might become a reality might not have been the result of underlying romantic feelings but it highlighted that Fuyuki IS special and is a good example of how, like you said, all that stuff about relationships applied to everyone but Fuyuki. (and a good example of how Eri's even more selfish than she said but that's a separate topic.

She always just ...never knew how Fuyuki felt, because Fuyuki determined on her own that confessing to Eri would fail. Eri is blind to romance and sexual attraction, and has to be shown those emotions and sentiments from someone before she can convey them back. Fuyuki might have actually succeeded long before now, but her fear of rejection, understandably based on her observation of Eri in their history together, means they have no way of knowing if that was the case.

But Eri knows now, and she's made the decision to try, because Fuyuki is important enough to her that she'd make every effort to see things work between them, in whatever manner or capacity that may be. She only asks that Fuyuki try alongside her, and to not run away or hide things, to give them the best chance.
I agree with this. Like, I don't doubt that Eri is somewhere on the asexual spectrum, but she isn't incapable of feeling attraction. Sure it's not in the traditional sense and the whole process is a bit different for her than for Fuyuki, but it is there and Eri says it herself that she DOES see Fuyuki in romantic way. What all that says to me is that the "gap" between them might not be as big as it might seem at first. It makes me believe that their relationship can be built not on Eri trying to match Fuyuki's attraction and appease her just to keep her around, but finding a middle-ground where Fuyuki can be open about her feelings (and not doom their relationship before ever trying) and they can understand each other.

The more I think about their relationship and what Eri says in this chapter, the more optimistic I am that their relationship can work. It might get rough and it'll be a little unconventional but Eri has shown that she's committed to trying and I'd hope Fuyuki is too so what else is there to ask for.
 
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The more I think about their relationship and what Eri says in this chapter, the more optimistic I am that their relationship can work. It might get rough and it'll be a little unconventional but Eri has shown that she's committed to trying and I'd hope Fuyuki is too so what else is there to ask for.
"unconventional" is the operative word, I think, and I don't mean that negatively or disparagingly. And honestly, I like the story all the more for taking this approach with these two characters, specifically.

As you'd cited, Eri was distraught the moment she realized she was likely to no longer be Fuyuki's #1. She'd prioritized Fuyuki through every relationship she'd been in, and thought that as long as she showered Fuyuki with attention and her version of love and with silly requests, Fuyuki would always be by her side, and Eri would always be her most important, just like Eri considered Fuyuki.

I think the chapters surrounding the filming trip were the turning point for Eri and Fuyuki in a big way - because of that kiss she witnessed between Fuyuki and Senpai, because of her fight with Kyou when he snapped over her always prioritizing Fuyuki (when he'd said at the start that he'd never be upset about her doing that, which is why she agreed to date him in the first place), and culminating in finding out Kyou cheated on her, and yet she still only thought of and worried about Fuyuki through it all.

Eri absolutely loves Fuyuki, and I'd argue to a degree that relatively few people experience. Who can say they have someone in their life who would prioritize them over that person's own partner or spouse or family or friend group or other obligations, to the point that it breaks that person's relationships and friendships?

That's what Eri does for Fuyuki, and what she always has. Sure, it's not the "conventional romantic love" that people probably deem "normal & expected", but that doesn't mean it's not deep, and vast, and real - and it's something that can be further nurtured and built upon by them both, working together to ensure mutual understanding and loving commitment.
 

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