Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? - Ch. 69.2

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Wrath looking hella goofy
Dude looks more like a spider mutant from terraformars than an oni
Why did they fuck him up so bad lmaoo at this point the manga is ugly on purpose
They even forgot his hair has 2 colors and that one horn is shorter?
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Slight spoiler but by the time the time skip started on the human (boring) side, some of the other students were already dead. So yeah, all we know is what we see/told.
I suppose dying is a desperate situation, but from the point of view of developing skills in battle, dying naturally stops everything. Only by repeatedly needing to fight for one's life with slim margins would force a character to truly go all out, even with skills that would be better left alone. It's indeed reasonable to assume this guy was subjected to such situations time after time, but that remains to be seen. It's also possibly getting into a berserk rage was his modus operandi and thus he leveled Anger/Wrath up in record time, even without super dangerous situations, relatively speaking, keeping in mind the sort of situations Kumoko had to face multiple times.
 
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I suppose dying is a desperate situation, but from the point of view of developing skills in battle, dying naturally stops everything. Only by repeatedly needing to fight for one's life with slim margins would force a character to truly go all out, even with skills that would be better left alone. It's indeed reasonable to assume this guy was subjected to such situations time after time, but that remains to be seen. It's also possibly getting into a berserk rage was his modus operandi and thus he leveled Anger/Wrath up in record time, even without super dangerous situations, relatively speaking, keeping in mind the sort of situations Kumoko had to face multiple times.
Here's the thing though, the deadly sins that developed in Kumoko wasn't part of her original personality. They, as you said, were gained through numerous L/D situations. She originally just wanted to have a safe haven for herself. So rather than it being reasonable to assume he got wrath also from being subjected to L/D situations, it's more like we have no reason to assume otherwise. At this point in the story (from this pov) the only conclusion we can logically come up with is that he gained wraith as a means to survive in the same way Kumoko gained her deadly sins.

Though honestly, I already have the answer because he's actually a super chilled guy. But what fun is there in knowing the answers ahead of time?
 
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Don't you need to develop (level up) Anger into Wrath by relying on it frequently? That seems to suggest he has an aggressive, violent, and quick to anger personality.
The reason why he has it is cause
he saw his entire goblin tribe/family killed or enslaved by humans and then he was forced to make weapons for the humans that killed his family and made his brother their slave
. Pretty sure that’s why he gets it in the WN
 
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Wrath looking hella goofy
Dude looks more like a spider mutant from terraformars than an oni
Why did they fuck him up so bad lmaoo at this point the manga is ugly on purpose
They even forgot his hair has 2 colors and that one horn is shorter?
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I mean, we have precedence for them fucking up character designs:
1 - Shiro's Arachne form making her human half more monster girl than human and downsizing her "plot"
2 - Poor vampire butler....
3- Sophia as a baby was supposed to be super cute, thank god they made her cute now but man as a baby.....
 
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Don't you need to develop (level up) Anger into Wrath by relying on it frequently? That seems to suggest he has an aggressive, violent, and quick to anger personality.
LN reader here, theres a reason for this.
Being a bit of a punk isn't enough.
 
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Does anyone know what volume in the LN this chapter is at? I really like this series and I'm tempted to start the LN if it's super far ahead in story since I'm impatient to know how this all unfolds
LN Vol. 8 is the closest to where manga chapter 67.2 starts.

Both the WN and LN are complete.
 
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Couple of years of reading reactions to the WN then the LN led me to realize something.

The LN is really a whole lot better (at least at this part of the story) as it fleshes out a lot of things and reinforces the original theme of Kumoko/Shiro having to struggle to survive with her wits rather than brawn. And when I read Japanese reviews of the LN, this general seems to validate my viewpoint.

However, there's a considerable vocal group of people outside Japan who hate this arc, and the whole 'losing her powers' thing in general. I just chalked it down to differences in opinion or...well, people just not reading. But I've come to realize that Isekai like this series tend to attract a certain audience. Isekai really do tend to be power-trip fantasies, and it wasn't Kumoko's struggles that attracted everybody, even if they don't realize it themselves because of how the series has been presented up to this point.

It's true the manga is skipping a lot of backstory, but there's people who hated those to. So what can you do? It's a pretty sprawling story originally (LN ver), the manga is being read by a lot of folks who already read one of the two versions of the novels (in Japan at least, where reading them is super easy), and not every work is the Lord of the Rings.

Anyway, I don't care if it's a spoiler, but frankly, just to shut people up because they would keep moaning otherwise, drop this arc then come back. It doesn't take long for her to become overpowered again, though it seems a little too long for a lot of you folks. You just might want to drop the manga after that too, because it's not like she goes about flaunting it much after this either. You can find other OP unstoppable isekai MCs dime a dozen. If you look hard enough, some of them might even have interesting personalities, instead of just being superlative alpha males banging 10 harem slaves a day.
You make a valid point, sure, but here's a counter-point. This arc frustrates because she lost her powers, yes, but not from the perspective of "muh OP MC got weaker, nuuuuu!" Instead, what irritates me about it instead is the feeling of "well what was the point of everything up until now, then?" To me, it feels like making all of her struggles and efforts up until now irrelevant, just cuz. All the fruits of her labor and all the progress and development has been rendered moot, and it can feel like there was no point in anything that happened up until now if it was all going to get removed anyway, even temporarily. Now only does it feel like it invalidates everything she has gone through to until this point, it also feels frustrating watching the main character do literally nothing. I understand your point of "it mirrors the beginning of the story thematically and is poetic" and I get that. But at least at the beginning of the story, she was actually still trying. She fought what she could and struggled and put in effort! The same can't really be said for the present MC. Artistically speaking, I get your point and don't necessarily disagree. But from an entertainment standpoint, it's not really all that interesting to have multiple chapters in a row where the main character could be replaced with a sack of potatoes and the plot would be almost entirely unaltered. It's not that entertaining to watch the character you're invested in and probably the main reason you're reading this manga just do absolutely nothing relevant.

TL,DR: I get where you're coming from and don't necessarily disagree, but I find it disingenuous to just write off people who don't like this as people who just want power fantasy with no depth or nuance, as there are certainly some legitimate reasons why this might be disliked.
 
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Man this whole thing feels weird compared to the WN. Wasn't Vampire-chan a young adult (or at least a teenager?) in the WN for her fight against Wrath-kun? Having her fight as a baby just feels weird.
 
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So I'm still a little confused why Shiro is so weak. I know she doesn't have her old skills in the tradition sense, but shouldn't she have gotten to a self sufficient point by now at least?
 
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So I'm still a little confused why Shiro is so weak. I know she doesn't have her old skills in the tradition sense, but shouldn't she have gotten to a self sufficient point by now at least?

She has no idea how to use her power without the system. She has an incredible amount of energy in her body, but no clue how to use it. She has to get that clue before she can get somewhere.
 

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