Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka? - Ch. 70.1

[skittles9823]

Ariel is also immortal thanks to the experiment.

Was that mentioned? I never really thought about that tbh, figured it was because of the amount of energy she's acquired (D mentioned she thought Ariel could become a god if she tried)

 

[DLRevan]

but the demon lord's part spider too I thought she could make threads without the system? Like it was just an innate part of her demi-human?human-animal experiment? physiology
Along with the poison that was killing her

So if you're OK with spoilers,

The fact that they're all part of the spider evolution family means they have access to the Spider Thread skill and some other spider related stuff at birth. Their underlying nature is that they should be able to produce threads naturally, but they never actually do and only rely on their skill to do so. This is why she quickly finds out she can produce threads from any point on her body, not just her hind part, because the threads aren't actually being made inside of her. This is the same for the Demon Lord Ariel, she's also using the System. It's not just threads....for example, Shiro's old egg-laying skill was really a skill too, she wasn't actually gestating any eggs inside of her when she laid eggs of her clones.

But you're right that they're still spiders, so intuitively and physiologically they're capable of using threads. That's something she's unconsciously leveraging now in her PANIK moment...in fact, for certain reasons I shall leave unstated, she has a higher affinity than anyone else in this world with "natural" thread-making". Of course, with a structurally humanoid body, she doesn't have thread-making physiology anymore, so it's all the intuition, or perhaps just instinct now.

She still doesn't know how she's making her own magic, but now that she's done it once by accident, she figures out how to do it deliberately, and with other types of magic as well.

 

[Podji1002]

I assume she now has to directly command the world her will to do even magic? No more middleman aka the system?

 

[ghostwriter.123]

I assume she now has to directly command the world her will to do even magic? No more middleman aka the system?

Yh since she's out of the system she'll need to recreate all of her skills using actual magic
Which just makes her a lot stronger lol

 

[ghostwriter.123]

So if you're OK with spoilers,

The fact that they're all part of the spider evolution family means they have access to the Spider Thread skill and some other spider related stuff at birth. Their underlying nature is that they should be able to produce threads naturally, but they never actually do and only rely on their skill to do so. This is why she quickly finds out she can produce threads from any point on her body, not just her hind part, because the threads aren't actually being made inside of her. This is the same for the Demon Lord Ariel, she's also using the System. It's not just threads....for example, Shiro's old egg-laying skill was really a skill too, she wasn't actually gestating any eggs inside of her when she laid eggs of her clones.

But you're right that they're still spiders, so intuitively and physiologically they're capable of using threads. That's something she's unconsciously leveraging now in her PANIK moment...in fact, for certain reasons I shall leave unstated, she has a higher affinity than anyone else in this world with "natural" thread-making". Of course, with a structurally humanoid body, she doesn't have thread-making physiology anymore, so it's all the intuition, or perhaps just instinct now.

She still doesn't know how she's making her own magic, but now that she's done it once by accident, she figures out how to do it deliberately, and with other types of magic as well.

oh so the thread making was all just skills and not related to their spider family tree.

So she's still using magic to make Thread but it was partially her last life as a spider that helped her do it intuitively?

I remembered her saying something about how laying eggs shouldn't actually as easy as it was so it was probably the system making them and not actual kids.

The monsters are gonna be fucked when the system disappears since they rely on it for everything

 

[DLRevan]

oh so the thread making was all just skills and not related to their spider family tree.

So she's still using magic to make Thread but it was partially her last life as a spider that helped her do it intuitively?

I remembered her saying something about how laying eggs shouldn't actually as easy as it was so it was probably the system making them and not actual kids.

The monsters are gonna be fucked when the system disappears since they rely on it for everything

Since they have the thread skill due to being spider family evolutions, technically it is related.

For the egg-laying, if you think about, it's impossible for her to have physically produced all the thousands of eggs she laid, even though they're about the size of a human hand.

You got that the wrong way around with regards monsters. It's true they'd lose all their innate skills, but like humans, their 'stats' would just become 'natural'. A human becomes as strong as a human naturally can be, no more and no less. So what about a giant spider the size of a small car? You get the idea.

If anything, the System was the way humans could even survive against monsters at all.

 

[skittles9823]

You got that the wrong way around with regards monsters. It's true they'd lose all their innate skills, but like humans, their 'stats' would just become 'natural'. A human becomes as strong as a human naturally can be, no more and no less. So what about a giant spider the size of a small car? You get the idea.

If anything, the System was the way humans could even survive against monsters at all.

They make mention that destroying the system will be especially bad for monsters. Just look at Shiro for example, when she became a god and got yeeted from the systems support she could barely walk after 2 years.

 

[DLRevan]

They make mention that destroying the system will be especially bad for monsters. Just look at Shiro for example, when she became a god and got yeeted from the systems support she could barely walk after 2 years.

Only because most monsters came with the system to begin with, and because they evolve using the system. But some monsters have interbred with natural wildlife, creating stronger forms, and some monsters also pre-dated the system. The dragon/drake family of monsters are a good example of both.

If the System is gone, small lesser taratects would remain 'small' monsters forever as an example, and something easily taken care of by the ingenuity of humans. Monsters that live in lava would likely all die, on account of no longer having fire resistance. Araba would just be a gigantic lizard. Their dominance, at least in the form it was before, would end.

But they're still damned big, and notably vicious animals, in a world where the human population will be largely depleted. Might not be the same, but monsters will still be a threat at least for some time. Imagine if dinosaurs still existed today.

What that commentary on monsters meant, was monsters had the most to lose from the System, because most humans were far more limited in what they could attain during their lifetime in terms of skills and stats. Not that it would flip the tables between monsters and humans.

Shiro is weak because she just has a frail human body with no exercise, yet forced to trek cross-country for two years. Her vessel is modeled after a wallflower of a high school girl (Wakaba) who took up no sports, played video games and ate junk food all day, and her personal mentality is the same too. She showed no improvement on that front because Ariel spoiled her and got a cart which they use to drag her around everywhere.

 

[ghostwriter.123]

Only because most monsters came with the system to begin with, and because they evolve using the system. But some monsters have interbred with natural wildlife, creating stronger forms, and some monsters also pre-dated the system. The dragon/drake family of monsters are a good example of both.

If the System is gone, small lesser taratects would remain 'small' monsters forever as an example, and something easily taken care of by the ingenuity of humans. Monsters that live in lava would likely all die, on account of no longer having fire resistance. Araba would just be a gigantic lizard. Their dominance, at least in the form it was before, would end.

But they're still damned big, and notably vicious animals, in a world where the human population will be largely depleted. Might not be the same, but monsters will still be a threat at least for some time. Imagine if dinosaurs still existed today.

What that commentary on monsters meant, was monsters had the most to lose from the System, because most humans were far more limited in what they could attain during their lifetime in terms of skills and stats. Not that it would flip the tables between monsters and humans.

Shiro is weak because she just has a frail human body with no exercise, yet forced to trek cross-country for two years. Her vessel is modeled after a wallflower of a high school girl (Wakaba) who took up no sports, played video games and ate junk food all day, and her personal mentality is the same too. She showed no improvement on that front because Ariel spoiled her and got a cart which they use to drag her around everywhere.

Spoiler

Weren't the dragons and drakes in the system modeled after but not direct descendants of the true dragons?
All the true dragons left after the humans didnt listen to them and kuro should be the last one left on that planet

 

[DLRevan]

Spoiler

Weren't the dragons and drakes in the system modeled after but not direct descendants of the true dragons?
All the true dragons left after the humans didnt listen to them and kuro should be the last one left on that planet

They're still considered Kuro's kin. The variation in sub-species of lower dragons or 'wyrms' are implied to be due to inbreeding or combination from experiments of Potimas on a true dragon. In fact most monsters are probably either his creation, or descended from hybrids resulting from his experiments.

Potimas engaged in those experiments to investigate how MA energy and conjuring worked. Even if they are 'imitations', that doesn't mean he didn't make something that worked like the real thing. They use skills and stats, but clearly they have a lot in common with true dragons. For example, some of them can transform into human form, and that is not a skill. They don't know how to do real conjuring like true dragons, so that is a problem for them when the System is gone. But they're still related to dragons, and they have the potential. The distinction isn't very important....for example, I don't think there's any strong argument that Sophia isn't a proper recreation of the ancient vampire race that existed on this planet before the System. Yet she also relies on said System for pretty much everything.

And that makes sense because the System is more like a cheat menu than something that allows things that are not possible, except for evolution. If Kumoko was born an Arachne, and lived long enough, on the order of thousands of years, to grow her energy and learn how to using conjuring magic, she could maybe become Shiro the goddess on her own. It just would never happen because she'd never live that long, plus she wouldn't have a single 'skill' until she's maybe 90% of the way there. The same goes for dragons, imitation or true ones. Dragons are just advantaged in this respect because they are both near immortal and born with an instinct on how to perform magic.

All this is also a little beside the point. Even if the System dragons found themselves having lost all of said stats and skills, they're still great big lizards, with sharp teeth, giant claws, armor-like scales and human-or-greater intelligence.

 

[ghostwriter.123]

They're still considered Kuro's kin. The variation in sub-species of lower dragons or 'wyrms' are implied to be due to inbreeding or combination from experiments of Potimas on a true dragon. In fact most monsters are probably either his creation, or descended from hybrids resulting from his experiments.

Potimas engaged in those experiments to investigate how MA energy and conjuring worked. Even if they are 'imitations', that doesn't mean he didn't make something that worked like the real thing. They use skills and stats, but clearly they have a lot in common with true dragons. For example, some of them can transform into human form, and that is not a skill. They don't know how to do real conjuring like true dragons, so that is a problem for them when the System is gone. But they're still related to dragons, and they have the potential. The distinction isn't very important....for example, I don't think there's any strong argument that Sophia isn't a proper recreation of the ancient vampire race that existed on this planet before the System. Yet she also relies on said System for pretty much everything.

And that makes sense because the System is more like a cheat menu than something that allows things that are not possible, except for evolution. If Kumoko was born an Arachne, and lived long enough, on the order of thousands of years, to grow her energy and learn how to using conjuring magic, she could maybe become Shiro the goddess on her own. It just would never happen because she'd never live that long, plus she wouldn't have a single 'skill' until she's maybe 90% of the way there. The same goes for dragons, imitation or true ones. Dragons are just advantaged in this respect because they are both near immortal and born with an instinct on how to perform magic.

All this is also a little beside the point. Even if the System dragons found themselves having lost all of said stats and skills, they're still great big lizards, with sharp teeth, giant claws, armor-like scales and human-or-greater intelligence.

Ohhh that makes sense
They aren't completely fake
I really need to re-read the LN

 

[groudonvert]

Only because most monsters came with the system to begin with, and because they evolve using the system. But some monsters have interbred with natural wildlife, creating stronger forms, and some monsters also pre-dated the system. The dragon/drake family of monsters are a good example of both.

If the System is gone, small lesser taratects would remain 'small' monsters forever as an example, and something easily taken care of by the ingenuity of humans. Monsters that live in lava would likely all die, on account of no longer having fire resistance. Araba would just be a gigantic lizard. Their dominance, at least in the form it was before, would end.

But they're still damned big, and notably vicious animals, in a world where the human population will be largely depleted. Might not be the same, but monsters will still be a threat at least for some time. Imagine if dinosaurs still existed today.

What that commentary on monsters meant, was monsters had the most to lose from the System, because most humans were far more limited in what they could attain during their lifetime in terms of skills and stats. Not that it would flip the tables between monsters and humans.

Shiro is weak because she just has a frail human body with no exercise, yet forced to trek cross-country for two years. Her vessel is modeled after a wallflower of a high school girl (Wakaba) who took up no sports, played video games and ate junk food all day, and her personal mentality is the same too. She showed no improvement on that front because Ariel spoiled her and got a cart which they use to drag her around everywhere.

They bought a cart because it would have been too problematic for them to travel without it. White is an albinos in a world where sun cream doesn't exist.