Mangadex gets hit by DMCA - more than 25% of chapters gone | staff FAQ update

[HaikenEdge]

Reason Mangadex is hit more aggressively is because they became too big and popular

The reason Mangadex is hit more aggressively is because they want to go legit despite basically offering an illegal service. What MD should do is is as you say: move servers to a country that ignores DMCA and/or copyright laws, like Malaysia. They won't do that though, because that puts them in a hardened stance against publishers, which they've worked by giving publishers "Official Publisher" tags and allowing them to violate the sites own rules of linking out of MD with the excuse of "They're official publishers", even though most readers don't want to go use the sites of official publishers because they were reading on MD in the first place.

 

[Archimedes5000]

The reason Mangadex is hit more aggressively is because they want to go legit despite basically offering an illegal service. What MD should do is is as you say: move servers to a country that ignores DMCA and/or copyright laws, like Malaysia. They won't do that though, because that puts them in a hardened stance against publishers, which they've worked by giving publishers "Official Publisher" tags and allowing them to violate the sites own rules of linking out of MD with the excuse of "They're official publishers", even though most readers don't want to go use the sites of official publishers because they were reading on MD in the first place.

The Crunchyroll gambit
...now that I think of it, maybe we should make sure MangaDex goes down as soon as possible...

 

[T-sama]

The reason Mangadex is hit more aggressively is because they want to go legit despite basically offering an illegal service. What MD should do is is as you say: move servers to a country that ignores DMCA and/or copyright laws, like Malaysia. They won't do that though, because that puts them in a hardened stance against publishers, which they've worked by giving publishers "Official Publisher" tags and allowing them to violate the sites own rules of linking out of MD with the excuse of "They're official publishers", even though most readers don't want to go use the sites of official publishers because they were reading on MD in the first place.

You make some good points, though I do think at this point they couldn't move servers even if they wanted, as you said they decided to go legit, that means somebody name is on everything, so even if server changes place someone can still get in legal trouble.

The Crunchyroll gambit
...now that I think of it, maybe we should make sure MangaDex goes down as soon as possible...

Mangadex will never become the next Crunchyroll or Fakku, I honestly just don't see it happening.

Which now makes me hope NamiComi doesn't go down with Mangadex cause then the original creators uploading there will get fucked.

 

[Archimedes5000]

You make some good points, though I do think at this point they couldn't move servers even if they wanted, as you said they decided to go legit, that means somebody name is on everything, so even if server changes place someone can still get in legal trouble.

Mangadex will never become the next Crunchyroll or Fakku, I honestly just don't see it happening.

Which now makes me hope NamiComi doesn't go down with Mangadex cause then the original creators uploading there will get fucked.

I mean the situation is very similar to Crunchyroll, I'm not sure how I didn't notice before - after being "bought" the site attempts to secure legal licenses while continuing to serve unlicensed content, which brings unwanted attention and causes them to be forced to take down all illegal content.

In 2008, Crunchyroll secured a capital investment of $4.05 million from the venture capital firm Venrock. The investment drew criticism from anime distributors and licensors Bandai Entertainment and Funimation as the site continued to allow users to upload unlicensed copies of copyrighted titles.

Crunchyroll eventually began securing legal distribution agreements with companies, including Gonzo, for a growing list of titles. On January 8, 2009, after announcing a deal with TV Tokyo to host episodes of Naruto Shippuden, Crunchyroll stated that it was committed to removing all copyright-infringing material from its site and to only hosting content to which it had legitimate distribution rights.

 

[Manko-sensei]

The actual rebranding of MangaDex is becoming an AI bot training site as the hordes of advertising bots have proven the last months, you could catch a dozen of them on a single afternoon. That's why they need a large fed-kun army, so there's unlimited material to use and even in a future with no manga this website can become an investment scheme for the finest bot shitposters in all the net.

 

[BakedBanana]

The actual rebranding of MangaDex is becoming an AI bot training site as the hordes of advertising bots have proven the last months, you could catch a dozen of them on a single afternoon. That's why they need a large fed-kun army, so there's unlimited material to use and even in a future with no manga this website can become an investment scheme for the finest bot shitposters in all the net.

I knew that April Fools ad was onto something!!

 

[Manko-sensei]

I knew that April Fools ad was onto something!!

In fact, this is what they meant for "making a better place for user creators", pretty shameful!:

 

[Robinisback]

In fact, this is what they meant for "making a better place for user creators", pretty shameful!:
View attachment 22944

I kept clicking on the "click here to read" but it didn't take me anywhere, the site is finally dying, guys.

 

[kn4ll]

Publishers forcing groups out of Mangadex so they'll upload on other piracy sites with pirated official releases.

Is this what you wanted?
Is this what you had in mind?
Is this what you wanted?
'Cause this is what you're getting.
I hope, I hope, I hope you choke!

 

[midknight83]

I stopped counting after I reached 40 things I was following having no chapters. If I can’t read what I want here, I’ll have to read it somewhere else.

MD: It doesn’t matter how slick and fancy your site is if I can’t trust it to not rip the pages out of my hands in the middle of a story.

Publishers: If you folks want your work seen, it needs to be available. You want to hide it away in a locked vault when you have no intention of making it available out here in the rest of the world officially, free OR paid, then why even create it in the first place? Art longs to be seen. Stories must be told in order to exist. Hoarding them and preventing anyone from getting access is counter to the whole point.

To the DMCA source specifically: MD and other fanlation sites give you a way to move forward on collecting revenue from a broader worldwide audience, and you instead spit on the offered opportunities and tear up the content. This does not endear you to the people; no, it makes us more willing to turn our backs on you and delve deeper into the dark web to get what we want without giving you a single damn penny. And the artists you take advantage of in order to build your false empire? I pity the fools stuck in a contract with a shortsighted and protectionist trash outfit like you, that grinds opportunities to grow under your foot into the mud rather than seizing them.

 

[AnonymousContributor]

I stopped counting after I reached 40 things I was following having no chapters. If I can’t read what I want here, I’ll have to read it somewhere else.

MD: It doesn’t matter how slick and fancy your site is if I can’t trust it to not rip the pages out of my hands in the middle of a story.

Publishers: If you folks want your work seen, it needs to be available. You want to hide it away in a locked vault when you have no intention of making it available out here in the rest of the world officially, free OR paid, then why even create it in the first place? Art longs to be seen. Stories must be told in order to exist. Hoarding them and preventing anyone from getting access is counter to the whole point.

To the DMCA source specifically: MD and other fanlation sites give you a way to move forward on collecting revenue from a broader worldwide audience, and you instead spit on the offered opportunities and tear up the content. This does not endear you to the people; no, it makes us more willing to turn our backs on you and delve deeper into the dark web to get what we want without giving you a single damn penny. And the artists you take advantage of in order to build your false empire? I pity the fools stuck in a contract with a shortsighted and protectionist trash outfit like you, that grinds opportunities to grow under your foot into the mud rather than seizing them.

The publishers are human scum intentionally knowing some titles arent licensed yet take them down because they thrive on misery because muh profits and bullshit projections. And the less bad ones merely have volume only official release instead of serializing chapters. Or maybe they hate foreigners enjoying their work and want only select ones to cross the ocean. Either way hope all of the bigwigs burn in hell.

 

[Akule]

Honestly? I say it's the opposite, not suspicious at all.
Chances are Asura and similar were smart enough to probably not directly pay for sites and such
So maybe Kakao doesn't really know identity of anyone involved
So they get hit by dmca? Just close the site to appease the publishers or it gets closed bu server or whatever
Then continue business as usual somewhere else
Sure Asura and such won't make as much money for a while
But they're still gonna make some money anyway
There will always be some people to pay for their translation
And then in time they make new site, paypal, patreon or whatever
Reason Mangadex is hit more aggressively is because they became too big and popular
Fact that owners tried to make money legitimally just makes laughably easy to attack them
After all that means someone name is attached to the site and so on
So they can't just change servers or whatever I guess

Either way I just hope Mangadex successor put the site in a country where they can ignore dmca

Asura constantly changes web hosts. It's why I made this:

Of course, they take money for their memberships, which is where they can get hit by the copyright holders through a court subpoena.

 

[HaikenEdge]

Asura constantly changes web hosts. It's why I made this: View attachment 23145

Of course, they take money for their memberships, which is where they can get hit by the copyright holders through a court subpoena.

This is why they should use servers in a country that doesn't honor outside copyright laws.

 

[Angry_Panda]

This is why they should use servers in a country that doesn't honor outside copyright laws.

This argument keeps coming up, so a couple things to note:
1. .com, .org, .net, and a bunch of the other non-country top-level domains are administered by US companies (Verisign, for instance), which means that ultimately the US government can yank the DNS entry if the site refuses to comply with the DMCA. This isn't really helpful when new folks are trying to find the site - how many people are really going to want to muck with connecting directly to an IP address?
2. There are very few countries that don't have some level of compliance with international copyright, and that list is full of places I wouldn't want to be doing business. (And really, if a country is going to ignore a takedown request, what's stopping them from ignoring all sorts of other things, like enforcing any kind of civil punishment when the server operators decide to close up shop and take all the site's money to a beach resort somewhere?)

 

[Manko-sensei]

@Angry_Panda you forgot to add that those who encourage those tactics should be the first putting money in front for the scheme and signing a document to be held responsible in case court takes action against a piracy site. Because none of the volunteers that work for free for the site are going to accept to go to jail for some virtual clapping, but maybe these brave ones should honour their convictions.

 

[bondejeger]

@Angry_Panda you forgot to add that those who encourage those tactics should be the first putting money in front for the scheme and signing a document to be held responsible in case court takes action against a piracy site. Because none of the volunteers that work for free for the site are going to accept to go to jail for some virtual clapping, but maybe these brave ones should honour their convictions.

Like the new content policy you mean? Several of us already packed up our stuff and left because of that one.

 

[Manko-sensei]

Like the new content policy you mean? Several of us already packed up our stuff and left because of that one.

That's clearly not what I was talking about, try it again.

 

[manadrop]

It's quite heartwarming to see how passionate the community is and how the discussion still going strong. Proud of you boyos!

 

[ampnaman]

Bowing down to DMCA and removing more than half a million chapters from various manga is terrible. Mangadex is cooked. I suppose I'll have to look for other alternatives like everyone else.

 

[T-sama]

Bowing down to DMCA and removing more than half a million chapters from various manga is terrible. Mangadex is cooked. I suppose I'll have to look for other alternatives like everyone else.

I have like 3k subscription, now I barely get any daily update lol, now I have to go through the pain of rebuilding my library somewhere else

Some people act as if Mangadex will be fine, but the reality is that slowly the site will bleed groups and users

After all why use Mangadex when not only so much content was lost but there might be another DMCA? Easier to just completely jump ship altogether then wait for the next hit