Maou-sama no Machizukuri! ~Saikyou no Dungeon wa Kindai Toshi~ - Vol. 9 Ch. 49 - Negotiations with the [Black] Demon Lord

[Kaarme]

Btw the reason for why black wanted him to drink was cause it was spiked with something that would give him control over Lolicell

Considering everything Procell has achieved, Black Demon Lord ought to realise Procell is not an idiot, but he must have thought that trying costs nothing.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

Considering everything Procell has achieved, Black Demon Lord ought to realise Procell is not an idiot, but he must have thought that trying costs nothing.

My guess is he figured that success would cause him to be arrogant and drink said sake without suspicion. If you watched the erb between Alexander the Great and Ivan the Terrible it could be like that where Alex drinks what Ivan gave him cause Alex thought of Ivan as weaker than himself.

For what will happen Lolicell essentially goes with both Dom and religion victories. It’s a ton of fun imo as Black is Hela arrogant and thinks Lolicell is lesser than him (which is fair as he is an old DL and he controls one of the main colors. Normally none of the rookies or newer DLs would even be able to touch him and the only ones he’s weaker than are the old guard like March Dragon and Time

 

[Qelix]

"I will defeat him by building a city."
... or you could just be a demon lord and attack him with your vastly superior forces while he's weak. But no, make a bunch of problems for yourself. You do you.

As I understood it, he is not weak. It's the other way around and he is too strong and not allowed to touch him/attackwith his own forces. If MC would attack first, he could act. It's just, that MC believes he has exausted and bound all of his pawns. And I just can't wrap my head around, how he arrives at that conclusion. -Bad guy can't do anything too me right now! - stab - Oh, no.There is a knife in MC's back.
The problem from now on will be that the author will give MC even thicker plotarmor, than that cloak (which still shouldn't have been able to shield him from all damage.) It's really easy to disturb and destroy people's trust, when the other party is not willing to use shoddy tricks, like propaganda and hatespeeches, themself. But the peoples trust und MC's charisma will rule surprime in the end. Sadly, I'm rather sure of that development.

 

[Goldenzeal]

Nah March is best girl and always has been

A respectable choice, but i beg to differ.
Would definitely put her in the top 3 tho.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

And I just can't wrap my head around, how he arrives at that conclusion. -Bad guy can't do anything too me right now! - stab - Oh, no.There is a knife in MC's back.

Err are you saying that Lolicell would or should get stabbed by Black in that scene where they meet for the first time? Black isn’t dumb enough to try something like that as that would make their creator beyond pissed off and he doesn’t want to risk that.

As for plot armor, are you referring to that he can’t be attacked by Black first?

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

A respectable choice, but i beg to differ.
Would definitely put her in the top 3 tho.

Agree to disagree. Diva is def nice though so I’ll agree with you on that

 

[zarian2]

"I will defeat him by being passive even though I COULD just crush him so that my people will no longer be in harms way! Because that method, even though that would definitely be more fun to the viewers, would use less chapters!"

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

"I will defeat him by being passive even though I COULD just crush him so that my people will no longer be in harms way! Because that method, even though that would definitely be more fun to the viewers, would use less chapters!"

As I and others have stated Black really isn’t weaker than Lolicell. Feels like a lot of you are underestimating the guy who rules alot of the human world and is treated as a god by said humans. It’s a better idea for Lolicell to build up his forces until the end of his protection period

 

[Qelix]

Err are you saying that Lolicell would or should get stabbed by Black in that scene where they meet for the first time?

I believe that MC's conclusion, that they should be save from further major harrassment or attacks by the Black Demon lord for the time being is absolutely unfounded. The author himself wanted to show, that MC has made a mistake by letting him be attacked by a lunatic Dark Demonlord Cultist and made him rethink the current situation. I have to give it to Author-san, that he wrote MC this way to show that MC is naive in such a way and that he highlighted it just a few panels later with that one attack. MC naivity still irks me though.

Black isn’t dumb enough to try something like that as that would make their creator beyond pissed off and he doesn’t want to risk that.

It's all part of the game. Attacking with his own army is a no go. Making other do it for him is fine, as we already saw. I'm sure he (should) know ways, so he has to risk nothing.

As for plot armor, are you referring to that he can’t be attacked by Black first?

Nope. The thing is I believe, that the author will still let MC's plan work out (and give that plan to develop a city the plotarmor), eventhough there are a gillion ways for the demonlord (and others) to sabotage it. It happened so many times in other mangas, that friendship and honest, earnest ideals ruled supreme, even though there have been opponents that had all the means they needed to destroy them.

Don't get me wrong. I do love a happy end. If the good guys win, while holding up their ideals, thats a good thing. What I hate though are nasty asspulls, the bad guys not using obvious methods, by simply not noticing them or using a more stupid tactic. (If they disregard certain tactics, because the have a good reason (pride, dislike of taste for a method or greed, for example), that's fine.)

I fear, that a naive plan will succseed, because Black Demonlord holds the idiot ball for too long or other events will occure conviniently pulled out of some hole, which is not further disclosed in detail here.

 

[CrimsonNanashi]

I believe that MC's conclusion, that they should be save from further major harrassment or attacks by the Black Demon lord for the time being is absolutely unfounded. The author himself wanted to show, that MC has made a mistake by letting him be attacked by a lunatic Dark Demonlord Cultist and made him rethink the current situation. I have to give it to Author-san, that he wrote MC this way to show that MC is naive in such a way and that he highlighted it just a few panels later with that one attack. MC naivity still irks me though.

It's all part of the game. Attacking with his own army is a no go. Making other do it for him is fine, as we already saw. I'm sure he (should) know ways, so he has to risk nothing.

Nope. The thing is I believe, that the author will still let MC's plan work out (and give that plan to develop a city the plotarmor), eventhough there are a gillion ways for the demonlord (and others) to sabotage it. It happened so many times in other mangas, that friendship and honest, earnest ideals ruled supreme, even though there have been opponents that had all the means they needed to destroy them.

Don't get me wrong. I do love a happy end. If the good guys win, while holding up their ideals, thats a good thing. What I hate though are nasty asspulls, the bad guys not using obvious methods, by simply not noticing them or using a more stupid tactic. (If they disregard certain tactics, because the have a good reason (pride, dislike of taste for a method or greed, for example), that's fine.)

I fear, that a naive plan will succseed, because Black Demonlord holds the idiot ball for too long or other events will occure conviniently pulled out of some hole, which is not further disclosed in detail here.

Thing is that Black does those things you brought up. He will try multiple ways to limit their growth and his plan would succeed if not for some factors he didn’t take into consideration. This has already happened where it was black that was behind the increase in taxes on merchants to stop them from visiting his city. Black just didn’t take into account that Lolicell would have access to griffins and could bypass them. He’s also the one that instigated that city to using their army to attack.

Later on he’ll do more stuff and will either be countered or he’ll get small victories. Thing with Lolicell is that the more time you give him the stronger he’ll get. If Black could do a full out attack right now he’d easily win but he isn’t able to because of the Dragon DL and the protection the rookies have. These two reasons and his S rank medal are why Lolicell will end up winning (unless the creator pulls some shenanigans like before as he does like to mess with them)

 

[AnotherDuck]

A respectable choice, but i beg to differ.
Would definitely put her in the top 3 tho.

Agree to disagree. Diva is def nice though so I’ll agree with you on that

And here I'm in camp Stolas.

Diva's a clear second place, though.

Marco's a hard pass, though. Never entered the race.

 

[F2ERRORR]

I just realized that this manga is by the same author as the redo of healer

 

[NerdySasquatch]

The moment he walked into that bar and actually started to talk to Black I mentally screamed my favorite Morgan Freeman quote. Namely "Shoot this muthaf***a!" Seriously that dude looked away and started talking about sake. In that instant you should've dumped an entire 1911 mag into his skull. Can't scheme with your cerebrum all over a bar wall. Or have one of the girls snipe him from outside. This dude should've been mechanically transformed into a chunky smear but nope, mc too dumb. Hand him a claymore and tell him if he yanks the cord as hard as he can he'll get the prize inside. In your first battle you mowed down a little girl's pets with a wall of m60s in front of her, you then mustard gassed a delinquent's pets only to follow it up with napalming an army and vibe checking another army with a direct impact m.o.a.b. and you can't cap one mf from three feet away?! No excuse except poor writing.

 

[Coldlight]

[Black] needs to work on his gaslighting skill, for a villain he's pretty bad at it.

 

[E421T]

I mean honestly nothing forbids giving weapons to other demon lords in wars right?
So just give Astaroth a shit ton of bombs and then his dragons can go to town on that fool

 

[E421T]

Bruh the demon lord ain't demon lording
Just go over and demon lord this fool