Maria no Danzai - Vol. 1 Ch. 2 - Saint Maria in the Infirmary

[silentstryker35]

I hope that the father also realized that the suicide note is fraud and help his ex-wife to get her revenge.

 

[rckvnka]

So someone paid to translate this series?
Man, thanks a lot you're a hero!

 

[rckvnka]

I hope that the father also realized that the suicide note is fraud and help his ex-wife to get her revenge.

If anything, he will be the one to stop her due to his justice belief.

 

[Kanami-chan]

Bully x Mom nice

 

[UnderWaterFodder]

Just a general observation, but women are just general at writing compelling drama in manga then men. There's a lot of stupidity here, like that the porno being leaked in the first chapter is just her face photoshopped onto existing porn and not actual blackmailing material. the fact the car wouldn't have seen the kid getting run over, the fact the person driving the car never got charged for accidental manslaughter, the fact it took the mom like a day to find all this evidence definitively proving he was being bullied and never went to the police with it, the fact the bullies were just able to cover up their involvement in a way that is never explained and which the investigators buy uncritically , the aspect of the divorce being entirely undeserved and unnecessary, etc.

There's a lot of holes and contrivances in this story and I've noticed other manga, usually written by women, do these things better. Kimi ni Aisarete Itakatta, although much darker as a story, does a lot of this stuff better for instance. I think the start here is a bit rough and bit too fixated on sex and shock value over the narrative and making those shocking moments contextualized well.

Well said

 

[BookQueen]

Still mid levels of revenge.

 

[dmy96]

Anddddd drop. The fact that they gives off the ringleader parents info right of the bat means that the author plans to make the ringleader have some sort of rough/f up childhood to make it seems that whatever shit he pulled is justifiable for some bs sympathy. And with how he react when the his mother is mentioned means that he have probably a mommy issues.

I can already see that MC will pretty much goes 'work as usual' when dealing revenge to the scrub and will probably break down when dealing with ringleader with him being some sort of psychiatrist wannabe and shit.

 

[wankerLin]

Can't wait for the mom to get fucked by the bullies' cock

 

[77BLc9JwJGpLVARkamJx]

>divorce husband
>turns into a whore

 

[HSK]

I wonder if mama used the money from the divorce to help pay for the full body surgery.

good to see the 2nd chapter didn't disappoint by still being sexual.

I don't really expect the other bullies to be of the same nature, but the first bully to be taken down is of course, sexual, which keeps me interested.

keep it cumming!

 

[Mangamoz]

Can't wait for the mom to get fucked by the bullies' cock

Unironically, I would not be surprised if that happens with how "lol I'm so edgy" this author is.

 

[Eighty-six]

Kimi ni Aisarete Itakatta, although much darker as a story, does a lot of this stuff better for instance.

You're comparing apples to groundcherries. Shiruka Bakaudon is an exceptional case because of her background (she was viciously bullied as a child and was allegedly raped during that time) and style. Even if it was meant as a representative example, it's in its own league.

I'm even split on whether to agree with this idea: I'm instinctively inclined to believe that women-- whose primary "conflict arena" tends to be socially based (put another way, they tend to be more familiar with extensive "drama" in real life compared to men)-- would be better, but... the writing scene is fairly male dominated and used to be even more so. Whether we're talking about those whose works are foundational to the mode that is drama, or those whose works are otherwise renowned, men aren't sparse.

Conversely, even in the woman-dominated shoujo and josei demos (incidentally, the author for this had a manga they co-authored published in a josei mag), the drama is often schlocky in a different way (and, in josei, often in a smutty way).

Nearly none of this is a function of sex or sex-based socialization-- it's about editorial standards/interference, effort, and the willingness to be meticulous.

That aside, everything you brought up are either debatables or missing the point:

There's a lot of stupidity here, like that the porno being leaked in the first chapter is just her face photoshopped onto existing porn and not actual blackmailing material.

It wouldn't matter-- it's still harassment fodder that nobody's going to bother to look into to definitively disprove. It's why people freak out about deepfakes at all.

the fact the car wouldn't have seen the kid getting run over, the fact the person driving the car never got charged for accidental manslaughter

Why would the driver be charged for inadvertently running over someone who jumped in front of his truck because he (ostensibly) wanted to kill himself? People don't get charged for that if they weren't breaking other laws in the process.

the fact it took the mom like a day to find all this evidence definitively proving he was being bullied and never went to the police with it

the aspect of the divorce being entirely undeserved and unnecessary

That's the point. The mother doesn't want to have this solved by the regular channels. She wants to make some high schoolers suffer, for the sake of her unlawful revenge. Everything she did just to get to the point where she is in chapter 2-- divorcing her husband and changing her identity, dropping all her friends, getting full body surgery, prostituting herself for a job-- is for that extreme purpose. There's no way that this isn't meant to be understood as radically self-destructive on her part, and it's accordingly expositive of the kind of character she is.

the fact the bullies were just able to cover up their involvement in a way that is never explained

They forced him to write a suicide note. Before he killed himself, he kept covering up his being bullied (which is why his parents were none the wiser) because he was essentially rescuing someone else that was being bullied. The investigators don't have the knowledge we, Mari, or Kiritaka does, so there's no reason to naturally expect that they would just happen to think about whether the suicide note written by the hand of the suicide victim was coerced.

I'm not going to tell you that this is compelling, but it's absolutely functional and almost formulaically airtight in how it sets the premise.

 

[Tamerlane]

You're comparing apples to groundcherries. Shiruka Bakaudon is an exceptional case because of her background (she was viciously bullied as a child and was allegedly raped during that time) and style. Even if it was meant as a representative example, it's in its own league.

I'm even split on whether to agree with this idea: I'm instinctively inclined to believe that women-- whose primary "conflict arena" tends to be socially based (put another way, they tend to be more familiar with extensive "drama" in real life compared to men)-- would be better, but... the writing scene is fairly male dominated and used to be even more so. Whether we're talking about those whose works are foundational to the mode that is drama, or those whose works are otherwise renowned, men aren't sparse.

Conversely, even in the woman-dominated shoujo and josei demos (incidentally, the author for this had a manga they co-authored published in a josei mag), the drama is often schlocky in a different way (and, in josei, often in a smutty way).

Nearly none of this is a function of sex or sex-based socialization-- it's about editorial standards/interference, effort, and the willingness to be meticulous.

That aside, everything you brought up are either debatables or missing the point:


It wouldn't matter-- it's still harassment fodder that nobody's going to bother to look into to definitively disprove. It's why people freak out about deepfakes at all.


Why would the driver be charged for inadvertently running over someone who jumped in front of his truck because he (ostensibly) wanted to kill himself? People don't get charged for that if they weren't breaking other laws in the process.



That's the point. The mother doesn't want to have this solved by the regular channels. She wants to make some high schoolers suffer, for the sake of her unlawful revenge. Everything she did just to get to the point where she is in chapter 2-- divorcing her husband and changing her identity, dropping all her friends, getting full body surgery, prostituting herself for a job-- is for that extreme purpose. There's no way that this isn't meant to be understood as radically self-destructive on her part, and it's accordingly expositive of the kind of character she is.


They forced him to write a suicide note. Before he killed himself, he kept covering up his being bullied (which is why his parents were none the wiser) because he was essentially rescuing someone else that was being bullied. The investigators don't have the knowledge we, Mari, or Kiritaka does, so there's no reason to naturally expect that they would just happen to think about whether the suicide note written by the hand of the suicide victim was coerced.

I'm not going to tell you that this is compelling, but it's absolutely functional and almost formulaically airtight in how it sets the premise.

I appreciate the response. I think a lot of my criticism is that I feel like the the revenge half of the story should have start with exhausting all legal options to go to the extra legal route, thereby making her rage more justified, but then slowly have her commiting more unethical and unjustified actions to show her slide from antihero to villain.

Also it being deep-faked takes away from the impact of it, which is the point. If it was real, then it raises more questions and her having a guilt complex about her son's death would be more justified. It's trying to achieve the emotional satisfaction without tarnishing her character, but it makes it feel really empty and hollow. The blowjob in this chapter ironically is something I think is a good example of what we should be showing of her doing things out of desperation, whereas this would be more in character if the porno was real and not a deepfake.

Also as for the suicide note, I thought they expressly said he wouldn't die if he jumped off the cliff, and so why would they force him to write a suicide note? When did he have time to do this? The only explanation is the bullies wrote it, but then wouldn't a handwriting expert be able to tell that it's bullshit?

Also, yes, if you kill someone who is suicidal you can still be charged for that, even if it's an accident and they're a minor. The fact he was in the road for awhile before he run him over should either meant he saw him falling if he was close, or in the road if there was some distance at that speed.

 

[Avaresse]

Gosh it's pretty ridiculous but fun, nonetheless. That being said, I do think the pornos were real and will break her in the future knowing her son died trying to prevent them from spreading.

 

[Saon]

Hm, the first chapter started so well but then straight up shot into space in the second.

Welp, to the bookmarks you go.

 

[Kuraiaku]

Just a general observation, but women are just general at writing compelling drama in manga then men. There's a lot of stupidity here, like that the porno being leaked in the first chapter is just her face photoshopped onto existing porn and not actual blackmailing material. the fact the car wouldn't have seen the kid getting run over, the fact the person driving the car never got charged for accidental manslaughter, the fact it took the mom like a day to find all this evidence definitively proving he was being bullied and never went to the police with it, the fact the bullies were just able to cover up their involvement in a way that is never explained and which the investigators buy uncritically , the aspect of the divorce being entirely undeserved and unnecessary, etc.

There's a lot of holes and contrivances in this story and I've noticed other manga, usually written by women, do these things better. Kimi ni Aisarete Itakatta, although much darker as a story, does a lot of this stuff better for instance. I think the start here is a bit rough and bit too fixated on sex and shock value over the narrative and making those shocking moments contextualized well.

I feel that the era of certain gender writing certain types of stories is long past, I mean we've seen any genre with any author regardless of their gender and sometimes people who thought they were male writers turn out to be female and vice versa. It's now more of how they were educated, what kind of interest they have, and other complex factors that can't be summed up with "Because they're men/women"

There's a lot of holes and contrivances in this story and I've noticed other manga, usually written by women, do these things better.

By the way, have you read tons Shoujo manga written by a woman author? A lot of them are full of contrivances with plot holes because they prefer more drama and emotional conflicts, I've lost count of how they write stupid misunderstandings just because of contrived reasons which can be resolved just by having common sense. It shows that not all women have the same writing style or behave the same way.

 

[LokiAsengott]

Well if everybody is crazy its like no one is where is the fun?
I mean i do get its a realy deep problem but if everyone acts like he should be in Prison or an Asylum it kinda takes the interest.

 

[Sancho_2]

Also as for the suicide note, I thought they expressly said he wouldn't die if he jumped off the cliff, and so why would they force him to write a suicide note? When did he have time to do this? The only explanation is the bullies wrote it, but then wouldn't a handwriting expert be able to tell that it's bullshit?

I agree with most of your points about this manga specifically (not getting myself into male/female authors qualities since I frankly don't have the knowledge to debate).

I just wanted to fill you in on the suicide note, since it seems it escaped you. The bullies forced the son to write it in order to save the rabbit's life, as seen by the mother on one of the videos she found on the usb drive.

 

[izumabakumatsu]

The revenge plot better not drag. They rend ro drag after 1 or 2 gets their comeuppace then it takes forever for the next ones, trying to build drama and make them more sympathetic.

Let's give them those judgement as fast as possible. ❤️

 

[gum_rummy]

This is so goofy.