My Dearest Nemesis - Ch. 23 - Please move.

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I mean, it's like in a yuri manga: you need to talk to each other, otherwise you're going to get unnecessary drama, misunderstandings and hurt feelings.

If you think the translation takes to long and you think you can help: contact the original team, offer your help. Talk to each other, then work together. Everybody wins.
All that's happened so far is that they repeatedly dm'd me saying my work is shit, and demanded that I need to remove my chapters because it's an insult to the series. I asked okay if you have such a problem with my image quality are you willing to provide the high quality scans you have? And was told YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT IN THIS BUSINESS. Not exactly sure what to do with that.
 
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All that's happened so far is that they repeatedly dm'd me saying my work is shit, and demanded that I need to remove my chapters because it's an insult to the series.
Your work is shit.
I asked okay if you have such a problem with my image quality are you willing to provide the high quality scans you have?
Nobody own you the raws.
And was told YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT IN THIS BUSINESS. Not exactly sure what to do with that.
What you do is accept is that from the start you have been disrespectful and gone as far to demand someone else resources.

And they're right, there's chances you definitely won't get far because all you're doing is burning bridges with your shitty attitude, which will make vast majority of the community not waste time trying to help you in any way.

You want to do whatever you want without caring in which toes you step? Fair enough, learn to live with the consequences.
ahhh so thats the first issue, the "business" perspective of what is usually just a hobby
Sorry but why are you taking their words at face value? They're literally a no name nobody with zero reputation or credibility.

If it's to chose a side I'll stay with the people who have been translating multiple series and giving us quality content for years.

Also, what you're saying is wrong, hobbies are done out of passion, they absolutely are serious business for the people who love it, it's extremely disrespectful to disregard it as "just a hobby", I wonder how would you react if someone shit all over something you love doing.
 
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holy fucking shit people won't stfu about sniping, I literally do not fucking care the last translators were inconsistent as fuck with their posting of chapters move on lol
If you don't care then you stfu, also, are you blind or willfully ignorant? Go look at every single release of this series, it was absolutely consistent the entire time.
 
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Your work is shit.

Nobody own you the raws.

What you do is accept is that from the start you have been disrespectful and gone as far to demand someone else resources.
Local clown can't figure out the difference between constructive criticism and "its shit".

Nobody said they have to provide the raws. But going out of your way to make fun of someone for not having access to it while sitting on stockpiles of the stuff is a bit like going up to a homeless person and flashing your wad of cash while laughing at them.
 
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If it's to chose a side I'll stay with the people who have been translating multiple series and giving us quality content for years now.
i think "picking a side" is taking things too seriously, personally, but maybe it isnt for you. i read yuri and then go on with my day, im not devoting myself to any person or group. ive a job to work, no time to care about fourm playground drama.

Sorry but why are you taking their words at face value?
i fixed my wording, wasnt taking it at face value but i guess i didnt make that clear. more or less it would be an issue if any side of the coin saw it as a business.
 
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Local clown can't figure out the difference between constructive criticism and "its shit".
Says the clown who joins a community and acts like he owns the place, look yourself in the mirror before talking about others.

Also, people gave you constructive criticism, multiple time, you chose to ignore it and do whatever you want.
Nobody said they have to provide the raws. But going out of your way to make fun of someone for not having access to it while sitting on stockpiles of the stuff is a bit like going up to a homeless person and flashing your wad of cash while laughing at them.
Objectively wrong, you're not a homeless person, the situation is absolutely not comparable, you're not a poor little victim, you chose to intrude into something someone else was already doing, there's literally hundreds of abandoned series with easy raws you could have chosen instead.
i think "picking a side" is taking things too seriously, personally, but maybe it isnt for you. i read yuri and then go on with my day, im not devoting myself to any person or group. ive a job to work, no time to care about fourm playground drama.
You're right, you're not devoting yourself to a person or group, and neither I am, but I still know to be grateful and show my appreciation to all they have given to us, for you it might not be a big deal, but by acting like the situation is not a big deal you're being disrespectful and disregarding the feelings of the people who wasted infinitely more time and hard work than the sniper.

If you really don't care about this drama then don't participate, after all that's what someone who don't care would actually do.
i fixed my wording, wasnt taking it at face value but i guess i didnt make that clear. more or less it would be an issue if any side of the coin saw it as a business.
Like I said before, for many people hobbies  are serious business, by acting as if it's not you're simply disregarding their hard work and dedication.
 
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i fixed my wording, wasnt taking it at face value but i guess i didnt make that clear. more or less it would be an issue if any side of the coin saw it as a business.
considering they provide a professional quality, and could even argue better than some publishers, i don't see it as an issue
 
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Also, people gave you constructive criticism, multiple time, you chose to ignore it and do whatever you want.
Okay thats not 100% true... the scanlations have gottem better, you cant deny that.

I think the bigger issue is egotism. Dont get me wrong, I get that the previous group obviously loves the work, even if it does take time, but tbh, I feel such a harsh response wasnt fully warranted.

Where I do see the harshness having some merit is the stubborness of the sniper (from TF2) to stand their ground on this still. Their choice obviously, but this probably wasnt the best move. I do agree with people saying this will burn bridges.

At this rate, the scanlation is being made out of spite... and spite is a good motivator, but, to the guy continuing this, I pray, for your sake, you see this through, because if you dont, good god, I dont think you'd wanna imagine the effect that will have. No turning back now, this is your train to ride to the end.

Godspeed.

Anyways poggers pouty face
 
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Just my two cents but, if I was a scanlator that had multiple ongoing projects which hindered my work on a few, I would be glad to let somebody take over for me (even if it is something I am passionate about) because it benefits everyone in the long run.

The thought process that should go into it:
It opens up opportunities for a new scanlator who is also doing this for a hobby.
It gives me time to focus on other series that I am taking more seriously.
It allows avid readers of the series to get releases faster than I would be able to deliver.

I appreciate the original scanlator group but I love this series and if they are treating it as a back burner, I would hundred times more prefer someone who is devoted to it to take over. No disrespect, but I think it would just benefit all parties. Of course, scan sniping is a problem and permission should be asked first, but I think that it would help if everyone thought this way.
 
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All that's happened so far is that they repeatedly dm'd me saying my work is shit, and demanded that I need to remove my chapters because it's an insult to the series. I asked okay if you have such a problem with my image quality are you willing to provide the high quality scans you have? And was told YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT IN THIS BUSINESS. Not exactly sure what to do with that.
I'm personally glad that there's another person translating yuri so I hope this whole experience won't drive you to stop translating.

OLO aren't wrong in being annoyed though, lots of groups have gotten burned in the past when someone new starts uploading much lower quality versions of chapters they're getting to (and likely have already started). Consistently putting out professional grade work for a series for over a year only to get sniped is really demotivating and annoying.

In this case you (unknowingly) made quite a few faux pas that follow the trend of sniping and dropping and then doubled down when people said what you did was frowned upon. Asking for the other group's raws after that probably seemed in bad faith to them given the situation even if you sincerely want to improve.
 
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Okay thats not 100% true... the scanlations have gottem better, you cant deny that.
It's true because part of the constructive criticism was explain the community etiquette and why sniping is frowned, they could instead go work into one of the thousands of series that nobody is translating.
I think the bigger issue is egotism. Dont get me wrong, I get that the previous group obviously loves the work, even if it does take time, but tbh, I feel such a harsh response wasnt fully warranted.
It is warranted because almost always sniping never ends well and we never see the series completed, this has happened countless times already, people react bad to snipers due to experiencing this situation before.
Where I do see the harshness having some merit is the stubborness of the sniper (from TF2) to stand their ground on this still. Their choice obviously, but this probably wasnt the best move. I do agree with people saying this will burn bridges.

At this rate, the scanlation is being made out of spite... and spite is a good motivator, but, to the guy continuing this, I pray, for your sake, you see this through, because if you dont, good god, I dont think you'd wanna imagine the effect that will have. No turning back now, this is your train to ride to the end.

Godspeed.

Anyways poggers pouty face
Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face as they say, starting awkwardly was understandable due to being a rookie, but by being stubborn and ignoring how the community works they can't complain of any backlash.
 
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Just my two cents but, if I was a scanlator that had multiple ongoing projects which hindered my work on a few, I would be glad to let somebody take over for me (even if it is something I am passionate about) because it benefits everyone in the long run.
Why someone doing a high quality work would be happy being replaced by a subpar work? Who benefits from slop?
The thought process that should go into it:
It opens up opportunities for a new scanlator who is also doing this for a hobby.
It gives me time to focus on other series that I am taking more seriously.
It allows avid readers of the series to get releases faster than I would be able to deliver.
That would have worked if the person offered help in good faith, this entire situation wouldn't have happened if they admitted their mistake and offered help.

Isn't it interesting that not even once they mentioned offering help? They want to do it themselves independent of how original group feels.
I appreciate the original scanlator group but I love this series and if they are treating it as a back burner, I would hundred times more prefer someone who is devoted to it to take over. No disrespect, but I think it would just benefit all parties. Of course, scan sniping is a problem and permission should be asked first, but I think that it would help if everyone thought this way.
Who says the series is in the back burner? People have lives, maybe they simply didn't have the time, and reminder that faster does not equal good.
 
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Why someone doing a high quality work would be happy being replaced by a subpar work? Who benefits from slop?
It looks okay to me personally (especially this latest chapter that has improved in quality greatly), also you can tell the new scanlator is eager to learn and improve from what they've been saying.
That would have worked if the person offered help in good faith, this entire situation wouldn't have happened if they admitted their mistake and offered help.

Isn't it interesting that not even not once they mentioned offering help? They want to do it themselves independent of how original group feels.
Agreed. I can't argue with what you said here. I do think there is a malice in the new scanlator's actions. They mentioned that they're neurodivergent though, which is not an excuse per se, but it does explain their actions. Do I think how they reacted was right though? Absolutely not, nor do I think people sending them insults solve anything either.
Who says the series is in the back burner? People have lives, maybe they simply didn't have the time, and reminder that faster does not equal good.
I looked at the scanlator's profile, they upload somewhat frequently, but it's other series (they have NUMEROUS series btw). If the new scanlator is correct and the series is already completed, put two and two together, this series is on the backburner. I don't want to assume anything, but if I had to guess, it's probably a side project to work on if they get tired on their current main projects.
 
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Isn't that what "being on the backburner" means?
Ok I probably mixed with what someone else said, since I'm pretty sure someone said the group is working on multiple series so this one was on the back burner for not being a priority

So technically you're not wrong, but people don't have a choice to pay attention to real life, it's not the same as intentionally putting the series aside, which is what some people have implied before.
 
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It looks okay to me personally (especially this latest chapter that has improved in quality greatly), also you can tell the new scanlator is eager to learn and improve from what they've been saying.
Yeah but that's your opinion, what if the original group disagrees? You're going disregard their opinions after so much hard work?

And I do give that they're willing to learn, so why not get an abandoned series? They literally have thousands of options to use, why it needs to be something someone already dedicated themselves?
Agreed. I can't argue with what you said here. I do think there is a malice in the new scanlator's actions. They mentioned that they're neurodivergent though, which is not an excuse per se, but it does explain their actions. Do I think how they reacted was right though? Absolutely not, nor do I think people sending them insults solve anything either.
Which is why they could graciously have accepts they screwed up and ended the situation on a positive note, they're not victims.
I looked at the scanlator's profile, they upload somewhat frequently, but it's other series (they have NUMEROUS series btw). If the new scanlator is correct and the series is already completed, put two and two together, this series is on the backburner. I don't want to assume anything, but if I had to guess, it's probably a side project to work on if they get tired on their current main projects.
Don't forget that a lot of series have different translators though, sometimes it's because of them that new chapters take a while, due to real life problems, a group releasing multiple series don't necessarily means everyone works on everything.

Also, high quality work takes time, so even if you ignore that it doesn't mean it'll be fast release, they're doing for almost two year one chapter per month, this is the first time we had a late chapter, could it be faster? Maybe, but one chapter per month is faster than a lot of groups.

Which takes us back to my other point, why they didn't offer help? Everything falls part when we take into account they didn't want to help, they simply wanted to do it by themselves independent of what original group feel
 

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