NEET dakedo Hello Work ni Ittara Isekai ni Tsuretekareta

[france001]

Why do most isekai protags always downplay slavery as something trivial? Japanese writers, I swear... As someone from the "modern" world, you'd think the protag world have some damn morals.

 

[gaigous]

@JackApostrophe @france001

I would rather die standing than live kneeling, having said that: In a world where the slave trade is legal in most countries, a slaves only hope is to get bought by a master that will treat them as an individual, so if all the people with moral fiber stop buying slaves, only scumbags are left.

Do you see the problem with telling good people not to buy them now? By default, you have sentenced all those slaves to absolute hell.

 

[starburst98]

there is a difference though, slavery gets bad when it's MASS slavery. most of these fantasy things have small numbers of slaves created through an extreme debt or for crimes. along with some form of magic to ensure obedience. let's say a thief is captured, instead of having them rot in prison for years and be a drain on society, or executing them, they put them to work to pay back any damages. same thing with extreme debt, instead of a debtors prison you force them to work. another thing is that the government, even if it condones the act itself, can place regulations to ensure people aren't just being sent into a meatgrinder of a job, like coal mining without any protections.

 

[gaigous]

@starburst98 I can't tell if you were responding to my comment or just making a general statement, but either way, I was specifically referring to personal slaves bought at a market, not labor slaves.

 

[starburst98]

@gaigous, was mostly at france and jack

 

[gaigous]

@starburst98 Awesome Possum!

 

[CarmillaKriegstein]

Dropped due to "slavery is okay" bullshit.

 

[france001]

@gaigous my point was more that he didn't really react to the idea of slavery at all. His poor reaction rubs me the wrong way, is all. Like someone said before, I don't expect him to be up in arms about it and become a savior since slavery is embedded into the culture already. But showing a little disgust or sympathy might make him seem a little more "human" imho.

However IF he does buy a slave, I would drop it for sure. The guy is from our "world" and lived with our standards, and by owning a slave, he's accepting that humans/beings can be treated like objects or livestock. If you knew someone who told you that they'd be fine with owning slaves as long as they are in a country that legally allows it, you wouldn't find that off putting? That's how I feel.

 

[gaigous]

@france001 Okay, now I definitely agree with your first point, it was very inconsistent with what we know of his character, and ridiculously jarring because of that, however, I half agree with your second point, it would be different if he was presented as an Evil MC, right? Just a hypothetical, since he is clearly being presented as a good MC.

 

[Sammy]

@france001 He did react to it a little bit at page 21 Ch.7, he seemed to be at a loss by Silver's statement, "I think it's fine." Slavery is bad, we all know that, even Masaru knows that, but remember that our MC is a NEET, and he even said a few chapters back that back in his world when he was a neet, he used to read web novels and stuff (probably isekai novels.) Although he knows slavery is bad, he doesn't think much of it since he's already seen it in novels/manga and is probably wondering how it'd be to have (a slave) one. On top of being a neet, he's DT(virgin,) and if I recall correctly, he also said that he wanted to make a harem (based on what he read in isekai novels/manga) so... yeah... he'll be getting one that's for sure. I haven't read the novel of this series so I don't know what will happen next, but I'm sure most of you readers do, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[gaigous]

@Sammy He also doesn't seem like the type to try and fix all the worlds problems, which I'm very thankful for, those types are annoying and unrelatable IMO

 

[MarqFJA87]

On a different note, would I be correct in assuming that this manga is on a monthly release schedule rather than weekly or biweekly? Because it would explain the extended time gap between the last few releases.

 

[Sammy]

@MarqFJA87, Yes. the raw comes out every 24-30 days.

 

[Lotvk]

the fabled not complete trash isekai manga, hopefully it gets better from here so it can become a legitimately decent manga

 

[Ex-D204]

Artist other pen name: sakai nayuta (坂井なゆ太), gonna put here for research purposes

 

[ribbitribbitsaga]

@france001

The guy is from our "world" and lived with our standards, and by owning a slave, he's accepting that humans/beings can be treated like objects or livestock.

That is quite the sheltered thought since slavery is still a thing to this day.
For example The 2017 Libyan slave auction witnessed by CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/specials/africa/libya-slave-auctions
I take offense on that first part of your sentence since countries like Libya, Syria, Nepal and El Salvador are part of this "world" you think has a collective moral backbone when it doesn't at all.
Hell, in France there was that whole Charlie Hebdo shooting.

Imo i wouldn't own a slave, i'd rather the person come to me by their own terms and not by being bought unless to lessen their suffering but i can understand if the manga normalizes slavery because that shit is happening somewhere else around the "world". Some people are born poor, some are born rich. Some have to kill for their meal, some have to waste a gallon to get theirs. Humans can and are being treated as objects. Not every human is important, after all what about the bad guys?

"modern" morals have done more harm than good.

 

[Asriel]

Slavery is bad, we all know that, even Masaru knows that, but remember that our MC is a NEET, and he even said a few chapters back that back in his world when he was a neet, he used to read web novels and stuff (probably isekai novels.) Although he knows slavery is bad, he doesn't think much of it since he's already seen it in novels/manga and is probably wondering how it'd be to have (a slave) one.

That's a very subjective point of view from some moral high-grounds.

In fact, slavery is not bad at all. Slavery only turns bad when the slave owner has too much money to buy and exchange slaves at an alarming rate.
But this interchangeability-problem also holds true for non-slave societies where you can just hire and fire without having to care about how the person you just fired is going to live from tomorrow on.

When I say that slavery is not bad at all, we have to look at how slaves are normally "made" from free people.

Usually, slaves are the spoils of conflicts/warfare. If we consider that the "winner takes it all" holding true, armies will always plunder/loot the regions they conquered, leaving the population there starving/without resources/tools to continue living.

However, imagine we're going to take slaves, then we take the population and the resources with us, resulting in them surviving (at least partially).
Slavery also reduces the amount of killing of foreign people, since they can be worth some money if they are enslaved instead.
And it reduces the amount of rape, as women who are raped are worth less or nothing or won't even survive the trip if they are "injured" in the process.

Slavery also makes it possible to sell your children instead of starving or killing them off, saving a lot of lives in the process.

And, while we're at it, you can also consider that, depending on the investment in the slaves, their owner will even pay for medicine/treatment to save his investment going down the drain with their possible death/disability.
Slaves are an investment, so mistreating them will result in a huge loss if they die or become disabled.

By the way, leaving aside the health issues, we also have a system that protects the slaves, as they are considered property.
As slavery can only exist in societies that have a certain degree of state regulatory system (law/proto-law) which defines the term of private property,
we have the security to assume that those people who are now considered property, are protected by the law of that state.

This is a huge improvement to their previous status, which was +- livestock or wild animals, as killing them in battle would've not being considered a crime for the state in conflict with them.

However, as they are now property to this state, hurting them will induce a fine to the assailant who dared to damage the property, meaning their social standard improved a lot [they went from "free game"-status to "touch me and be prepared to pay"-status].

Now, I'm not saying that from a modern standard slavery is something one should desire, but it bestows a certain "worth" to people who are living in a world without the concept of human rights.

Therefore it is quite a beneficial system for the people in a world without modern ethics.

 

[Antoine]

Une traduction en français s'il vous plaît

 

[france001]

@ganggangnigga
I admit it. I've lived quite a sheltered life, and I'm sure a lot of people who have working internet and a roof over their heads do too. I agree, I may have been a little too ignorant and ethnocentric about the whole "our standards" since it's very subjective as to what I mean, but I don't think you get my drift.
When I say our world, I literally mean "our world" and not in the figurative sense. That guy is definitely from Japan, which for the most part, isn't a country where slavery is an established institution today nor is slavery pervasive today. I never said slavery doesn't exist today. That's your assumption, not mine. You went on a slight tangent there.
And if you bring up Japanese war crimes in China/Korea, I wouldn't be able to argue with you either because yeah, they f'ed up big time when they enslaved those people.
I just think it's pretty f'ed up for him to think like that, considering he's from present day Japan. Simple as that.

 

[JustNatsuki]

But this interchangeability-problem also holds true for non-slave societies where you can just hire and fire without having to care about how the person you just fired is going to live from tomorrow on.

But the difference between slaves and working an occupation is that one is a voluntary action, while the other is forced. That's a pretty big distinction, which is literally the difference between consensual sex and rape.