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Wow I hate people who think they're the most important person in the world. If you don't like the work then just don't read it, there's no reason to destroy somebody's life over it and sabotage others' enjoyment by making him stop writing the story. I just hope the novel will return and manga won't be axed.
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@ovdose ...you're hatred for those kinds of people is how the author comes off. There's more behind why his LNs, manga and anime are being discontinued.
@agshield there's more to it and even then racism and sexism aren't neutral values either lol
If you guys want to know why just go on reddit. There's a thread or two all about this on r/anime. It ties back to war crime references in the content and social media, his political views and associations, and how the industry does not want to be around any of that. Even the VA for Miku in Darling in the Franxx said no to that.
Don't be obtuse.
@agshield there's more to it and even then racism and sexism aren't neutral values either lol
If you guys want to know why just go on reddit. There's a thread or two all about this on r/anime. It ties back to war crime references in the content and social media, his political views and associations, and how the industry does not want to be around any of that. Even the VA for Miku in Darling in the Franxx said no to that.
Don't be obtuse.
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@Ovdose - Completely agree with you, what the author think is its personal opinion, just because someone is pissed off doesn't mean his works should be pulled off. Hope the novel and manga will return after this trivial mess.
Even if there are some references to ww2 events, they are portrayes in a fictional fantasy world, nobody is affected really, yes, it can make someone angry but you also can simply not read this work if you don't like the content. Censorship is stupid in any case, moreover his tweets were made in 2013, ids odd that they came out now with the anime announcement.
Even if there are some references to ww2 events, they are portrayes in a fictional fantasy world, nobody is affected really, yes, it can make someone angry but you also can simply not read this work if you don't like the content. Censorship is stupid in any case, moreover his tweets were made in 2013, ids odd that they came out now with the anime announcement.
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@Ovdose
Correct. And if you don't like that a person sees Chinese and Korean people as sub-human and makes light of an atrocity, you don't have to work on their anime. You don't have to publish their work.
No one is forcing him to stop writing, but you also can't force publishers to accept his work.
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First of all, just because Chinese and Korean media does the same thing doesn't make this author's racism okay. Also there wasn't a competition for Chinese people to butcher as many Japanese civilians as possible, but that's another discussion. What I want to focus on is this:
"This create a dangerous precedent where you can't express an opinion that you get axed if this can displease a business".
What? This precedent already exists. If you come out and start spewing vile shit it's going to make your employer look bad. Just google tweet gets person fired.
Do you not think that companies are allowed to terminate people based on what they say in public? Should a holocaust museum not be allowed to fire an employee who turned out to be an antisemite?
Seems like a lot of people in the comments think that this guy has a right to a publisher. That's not how anything works.
Correct. And if you don't like that a person sees Chinese and Korean people as sub-human and makes light of an atrocity, you don't have to work on their anime. You don't have to publish their work.
No one is forcing him to stop writing, but you also can't force publishers to accept his work.
@Nick86
First of all, just because Chinese and Korean media does the same thing doesn't make this author's racism okay. Also there wasn't a competition for Chinese people to butcher as many Japanese civilians as possible, but that's another discussion. What I want to focus on is this:
"This create a dangerous precedent where you can't express an opinion that you get axed if this can displease a business".
What? This precedent already exists. If you come out and start spewing vile shit it's going to make your employer look bad. Just google tweet gets person fired.
Do you not think that companies are allowed to terminate people based on what they say in public? Should a holocaust museum not be allowed to fire an employee who turned out to be an antisemite?
Seems like a lot of people in the comments think that this guy has a right to a publisher. That's not how anything works.
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@AutismPersonified - There is nothing wrong to portray racism in a work of fiction, because is a fiction, yes it is what the author think but you have the rights to not read and support him if you don't like the content, is absolutely stupid to remove this work for everyone not affected or people who don't care about something happneded 70 years ago. If you do not agree with the author just don't read this work even if is something you find gross. Is called freedom of speech.
Also if we use this logic then even rape, lolis, or other fictional elements can piss someone off and so they can be pulled out someday, censorship start in this way with things you don't like then go further till everything is under control and you can't write anything anymore. We must protect freedom of speech, even things we don't like. Racism is just and scapegoat to justify censorship and shut someone mouth. This is worst approach possible.
Also if we use this logic then even rape, lolis, or other fictional elements can piss someone off and so they can be pulled out someday, censorship start in this way with things you don't like then go further till everything is under control and you can't write anything anymore. We must protect freedom of speech, even things we don't like. Racism is just and scapegoat to justify censorship and shut someone mouth. This is worst approach possible.
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well the thing is some of the sponsors of the anime are Chinese corporations and when you piss them off welp rip anime / LN / manga
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@Nick86
How do you not get it? Yes you don't have to read it work, but this isn't about the consumer. This is about the publisher. This is about the production company. They know that having to work with a bigot will make them look bad (especially now that's blown up). So yes if you do not agree just don't read his work. If the production company doesn't agree they don't have to work on his anime. Is very simple no?
"Also this set indeed another precedent, if we use this logic then even rape, lolis, or other fictional elements can piss someone off and so they can be pulled out someday this way with things you don't like then go further till everything is under control and you can't write anything anymore"
How do you not understand. YOU CANNOT FORCE PUBLISHERS TO PUBLISH YOUR WORK. THEY ARE A PRIVATE BUSINESS.
How do you not get it? Yes you don't have to read it work, but this isn't about the consumer. This is about the publisher. This is about the production company. They know that having to work with a bigot will make them look bad (especially now that's blown up). So yes if you do not agree just don't read his work. If the production company doesn't agree they don't have to work on his anime. Is very simple no?
"Also this set indeed another precedent, if we use this logic then even rape, lolis, or other fictional elements can piss someone off and so they can be pulled out someday this way with things you don't like then go further till everything is under control and you can't write anything anymore"
How do you not understand. YOU CANNOT FORCE PUBLISHERS TO PUBLISH YOUR WORK. THEY ARE A PRIVATE BUSINESS.
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@AutismPersonified - I undertand your point, and you are right, infact i blamed the publisher decision and there is nothing we can do about it. Let just hope the novel publisher don't cancel the novel too (actualy just on hold) and so the manga that i'm following.
At the same time this fact make me very worry about freedom of speech (always excuses like racism, sessism, and other craps are used to justify censorship).
At the same time this fact make me very worry about freedom of speech (always excuses like racism, sessism, and other craps are used to justify censorship).
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What a pity. I just started reading this not too long ago and I really like it but i'm guessing this too will be cancelled because of the controvery surrounding the author and his racial slurs against China and Korea. I feel very bad for the people (except the author) who worked on the anime. Everyone's hard work went to waste all because the author chose to be a spiteful person with his racist insults towards the Chinese and Koreans all on social media at that.
The tweets that (possibly) ruined his career are from 2013-2015. That's 1-3 years before the manga adaptation even started being published and 3-5 years before anime announcement. His publisher accepted his work despite those tweets existing, though I don't know if they were aware of those tweets or not. It really just looks like somebody wanted to stop the anime from airing so they went digging to find anything they could use to destroy the author's reputation and got lucky with his old tweets. Or maybe whoever he pissed off badly enough to want revenge was petty enough to wait for anime announcement before getting back at him.
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Lol! Why are some people forgeting this “freedom of speech” works both ways?! You can say whatever you want but just prepared to face the consequences. No one is stopping you from talking out of your ass but don’t expect your employer or even your consumers to feel the same way. The author dug his own grave so why shouldn’t he face the consequences? Only down side it affects us as consumers of his work but hey that seems life ??♂️
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@firefox1234
We're going to dig something stupid you said on internet years ago because being young is being stupid, make you lose your job, your source of income and pretty much make people throw stones at you, fair enough.
Thats why i hate hypocrites.
We're going to dig something stupid you said on internet years ago because being young is being stupid, make you lose your job, your source of income and pretty much make people throw stones at you, fair enough.
Thats why i hate hypocrites.
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@tamachii12 the author said in the ln that the hero was japanese, went to China and killed 3712 people during the world war and went on to live without any consequences. And 3712 is a reference to the Nanking Massacre, which happened in December 1937, where japanese soldiers killed and raped hundred thoudsands of chinese people. Add to that that he insulted China as a 'nation of worms' and Korea a 'nation of rape', it seems this was more than just some stupid stuff he said when he was younger.
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@tamachii12
Where is the hypocrisy? If you want to have a highly visible job that is dependent on selling a product to vast swaths of the population - maybe don't publicly insult those swaths of the population??? Or anyone really? Is that a confusing concept to you?
You can be as racist or sexist or whateverist as you want, but don't expect the general public to buy things from you if you're gonna be vocal about it. Those are the rules everyone plays by. There is no hypocrisy.
Where is the hypocrisy? If you want to have a highly visible job that is dependent on selling a product to vast swaths of the population - maybe don't publicly insult those swaths of the population??? Or anyone really? Is that a confusing concept to you?
You can be as racist or sexist or whateverist as you want, but don't expect the general public to buy things from you if you're gonna be vocal about it. Those are the rules everyone plays by. There is no hypocrisy.
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@firefox1234
that's not how freedom of speech works, you shouldn't be able to silence people by affecting his livelihood just because you don't like the guy.
an "employer" shouldn't be allowed to fire someone just because he said something offensive in the past, where he is in no way associated with the said employer. maybe understand what freedom of speech is before you run your mouth next time dumdum
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then let the consumer decide on whether it will sell or not.
that's not how freedom of speech works, you shouldn't be able to silence people by affecting his livelihood just because you don't like the guy.
an "employer" shouldn't be allowed to fire someone just because he said something offensive in the past, where he is in no way associated with the said employer. maybe understand what freedom of speech is before you run your mouth next time dumdum
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then let the consumer decide on whether it will sell or not.
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@tamachii12 - Nothing he said was hypocritical.
@Batotopls - Actually, that's exactly how freedom of speech works. You can say whatever you want, just expect to face the consequences if what you say is terrible enough. Though for that matter, exactly what version of freedom of speech are you even coming from? Because any country that does espouse freedom of speech still places limits on it, and defines it differently from everything other country that espouses it.
@Batotopls - Actually, that's exactly how freedom of speech works. You can say whatever you want, just expect to face the consequences if what you say is terrible enough. Though for that matter, exactly what version of freedom of speech are you even coming from? Because any country that does espouse freedom of speech still places limits on it, and defines it differently from everything other country that espouses it.
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@Batotopls
The consumer (the publisher) did decide. That's why the plug got pulled lol
...and uh I think you should recheck what "freedom of speech" means. It means the government can't arrest you for what you say. What happens between private citizens is in no way protected (except insofar as you won't be arrested obviously) and an employer can fire you for any reason or no reason at all. That's why all the good cogs keep their noses squeaky clean so the corporations can push out vanilla inoffensive media produced by vanilla inoffensive authors so the vanilla inoffensive public can consume it guilt and thought free.
Of course an author who is found to have publicly put direct references to one of the greatest atrocities in living memory in his work is going to get shit canned, that's just common sense. You're making this out to be some sort of censorship issue but it really isn't. This is just the reality of working in literally any public facing industry in any developed nation on the planet. If you say a bunch of abhorrent shit in a public forum and you aren't absolutely irreplaceable your ass will be out on the street the next day.
An author who writes a generic harem isekai is in no way valuable or irreplaceable and no one is going to put their neck on the line going to bat for them when they could just... not. The publisher will find a new author tomorrow who doesn't (publicly) hate the Chinese or whatever. It's just business.
The consumer (the publisher) did decide. That's why the plug got pulled lol
...and uh I think you should recheck what "freedom of speech" means. It means the government can't arrest you for what you say. What happens between private citizens is in no way protected (except insofar as you won't be arrested obviously) and an employer can fire you for any reason or no reason at all. That's why all the good cogs keep their noses squeaky clean so the corporations can push out vanilla inoffensive media produced by vanilla inoffensive authors so the vanilla inoffensive public can consume it guilt and thought free.
Of course an author who is found to have publicly put direct references to one of the greatest atrocities in living memory in his work is going to get shit canned, that's just common sense. You're making this out to be some sort of censorship issue but it really isn't. This is just the reality of working in literally any public facing industry in any developed nation on the planet. If you say a bunch of abhorrent shit in a public forum and you aren't absolutely irreplaceable your ass will be out on the street the next day.
An author who writes a generic harem isekai is in no way valuable or irreplaceable and no one is going to put their neck on the line going to bat for them when they could just... not. The publisher will find a new author tomorrow who doesn't (publicly) hate the Chinese or whatever. It's just business.
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@celticmutt
i already said my piece on the second line, he said those stuff before he was "employed", what you said in the past shouldn't be something that dictates what you are now. i don't believe freedom of speech should have limitation, the moment limitation is made, it's bound to be skewed to personal opinion
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and how did the consumer decide that, did they sell the next volume and it didn't sell or did the publisher made a public vote or something? i'm genuinely interested
i already said my piece on the second line, he said those stuff before he was "employed", what you said in the past shouldn't be something that dictates what you are now. i don't believe freedom of speech should have limitation, the moment limitation is made, it's bound to be skewed to personal opinion
@sinkingship
and how did the consumer decide that, did they sell the next volume and it didn't sell or did the publisher made a public vote or something? i'm genuinely interested
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