【Oshi no Ko】 - Vol. 16 Ch. 166.5 - Volume 16 Extras

[wynnmore]

Oh... I see. Ye people really can't understand these days that characters don't have to be in a gay pairing and can just be close friends. It's quite pathetic.

Or maybe people just love the "bitter childhood rivals to lovers" trope because it's fun.

 

[Knighto]

Oh... I see. Ye people really can't understand these days that characters don't have to be in a gay pairing and can just be close friends. It's quite pathetic.

As for the the fan theory on the incest route being taken away that makes sense to me.

well the yuri bait pairing was made mostly because Akane can't help herself for being a Kana fangirl, Kana on the other side never gave a hint for the bait.

the incest route, ngl would have made sense, but author too much of a coward to actually talk about it, specially since we clearly got Aqua in love with Kana, so he should have shot down Ruby during the series and not make a friggin gag about him being a brocon.

I think the worst part is the after of the people around them, Kana, Akane and Taiki having shitty lives it just plain sucks, like it's showing that it has passed more time since the ending and they are still destroyed by the lost.

In the end, Akasaka maybe was salty because he pulled another serialization while doing Oshi no ko (inspired by the success of 100 gf), and although it had a really strong start it fizzled super fast and got the axe, probably why he wanted to f*ck us over too.

At least Kaguya escaped Akasaka's despair boner. Ib really broke the man, huh?

it feels like he hasn't really matured after doing Ib, like he got great success with Kaguya but couldn't actually enjoy it.
ffs I started reading Kaguya since it started as a monthly series, mostly because I found Ib good at the time and even when Kaguya's last part wasn't as good at least I could have faith in OnK being another chance to get better as an author, sadly I'm not sure I would try to read another work of his with the same expectation, like read a little and drop because he would try to ruin it again

It's so sad that Taiki is suicidal but only decided to keep living because Ruby is alive (which is very nice, as he is the only blood related family member of her who is still alive), he had always been seeking a family and when he finally got one, he lost it again, Dude was introduced in such a cool way just to be used as a gag character later on, he had such a great potential to be one of the key characters. Shame what happened to the manga.

He has the same eyes Aqua had after Ai's death.

he basically represents , Akasaka really trashed his characters.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Oh... I see. Ye people really can't understand these days that characters don't have to be in a gay pairing and can just be close friends. It's quite pathetic.

As for the the fan theory on the incest route being taken away that makes sense to me.

Of course, we can't know how things really happened behind the scenes, it looks really interesting if you compare how things developed or notice how excited they were when they talked about the topic of incest in the Spanish interview.

Here's a pretty interesting video of Chibi reviews about it. He even has an entire series of videous about how the ending of Oshi no Ko unfolded and how fans gradually became disillusioned with it.

Unfortunately, this is the typical fate of such stories. Moreover, if one of the gay couples died and people began to ship characters with the remaining straight love interest, this would obviously instantly cause a wave of negativity.

There's a difference between loving tropes and other shipping and literally declaring characters a couple just because you want to. People literally thought LN was yuri bait just because it focused on the two of them. Or they announced any art with them ship art.

 

[Septazia]

How do I care so little about this?

I read OnK from the literal first chapter release.

Now it's the final chapter and I am utterly numb, skipping all the small text and skimming without any interest.

I think I had forgotten it even existed before the notification

Aqua's death at best made me feel upset at Aka for just throwing it away.

People defended it by saying that he was brave for sticking to actually killing him, but I find this story orchestrated in a greedy and cowardish way mainly for 2 reasons.

1) The twists and the leadup were more important to the consequences, Kamiki is a villain who gets a actress killed what a twist....he is actually innocent (if you ignore that previous scene somehow) he never meant for this to happen......no actually he did...what a twist.....Ruby doesn't know Aqua secret identity now she does what a twist and.....nothing comes out of that, maybe Aka can milk an extra LN or chapter by having them talk it out in a flashback.

2) The harem: Ruby,Kana,Akane even Mem-cho for a short while, they just rotated around Aqua, never got in a relationship, because that way Aka could maintain the illusion and the delusions of each fanbase that they were going to win, when realistically some of them would have looked and found a boyfriend, I think it makes the character less believable and robs them of the agency they should have, they feel less of their own person.

And well shit, everything else I wrote it before and others did, suicide glorification, Ruby's arc about wanting to be a sincere Idol and different from Aqua thrown away in the last chapter....and a thing that disgusts me as someone who is not Christian but has its own specific belief about the afterlife, that Aka could be so bleak about the afterlife and condemning the characters I love from Kaguya love is war, to the same ending.

EDIT: killing a main character, or doing a sudden twist at the end is not brave and is not new and one of the reasons why people are wary of Manga endings.
People are willing to accept plot holes and bleak endings when they are consistent with the story and service a higher purpose.

Make a ending that is CONSISTENT with what you set up, look at Lord of the Rings, look at Rocketeer, their endings might seem bland, easy "obvious", simple on a surface level, but are PERFECTLY CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SET UP, they are planned from start to end.

 

[Valle_reading_manga]

Ah yeah

open bracket space space closing bracket

my favourite manga title

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Akane

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Was that Rubi or Ai at the end? Probably Rubi, kinda whack she got no text whatsoever, probably "nothing" positive to say about her

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Really appreciate the extra bits with the shown websites at the end. Kinda funny Facebook was chosen to be the one that didn't need a real life example.
Thanks for the upload!

 

[TheBlackGamer]

Or maybe people just love the "bitter childhood rivals to lovers" trope because it's fun.

Fun to you maybe to me it's stupid. And said rivals who have had no indication of being gay at all, all of sudden are open to dating each other because of a guy they both liked dying would've been stupider. And no being a fan of someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them either.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Fun to you maybe to me it's stupid. And said rivals who have had no indication of being gay at all of sudden gunning for each other because of a guy they both liked dying would've been stupider. And no being a fan of someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them either.

This is just typical crap where people add love as the secret reason for every character interaction and say it makes sense now. At the same time, they often ignore much more serious facts about the personal lives of the characters, for example, how Akane sincerely loved Aqua to the point of obsession even when, according to their logic, she should have been Kana's simp. Or taking Kana's words about Akane's appearance out of context, even making it seem like a meaningless reference when it was meant to explain why Kana doesn't believe Aqua would prefer her. Same thing with the volume cover.

well the yuri bait pairing was made mostly because Akane can't help herself for being a Kana fangirl, Kana on the other side never gave a hint for the bait.

the incest route, ngl would have made sense, but author too much of a coward to actually talk about it, specially since we clearly got Aqua in love with Kana, so he should have shot down Ruby during the series and not make a friggin gag about him being a brocon.

I think the worst part is the after of the people around them, Kana, Akane and Taiki having shitty lives it just plain sucks, like it's showing that it has passed more time since the ending and they are still destroyed by the lost.

In the end, Akasaka maybe was salty because he pulled another serialization while doing Oshi no ko (inspired by the success of 100 gf), and although it had a really strong start it fizzled super fast and got the axe, probably why he wanted to f*ck us over too.

it feels like he hasn't really matured after doing Ib, like he got great success with Kaguya but couldn't actually enjoy it.
ffs I started reading Kaguya since it started as a monthly series, mostly because I found Ib good at the time and even when Kaguya's last part wasn't as good at least I could have faith in OnK being another chance to get better as an author, sadly I'm not sure I would try to read another work of his with the same expectation, like read a little and drop because he would try to ruin it again

he basically represents , Akasaka really trashed his characters.

I like the idea that Kaguya's popularity really went to his head and Oshi no Ko only made him more starstruck after he was able to ignore the complaints about Kaguya's ending and the publishers gave him a lot more freedom and credit. You know, when a visionary author becomes a star thanks to some very popular work, and then suffers a huge disaster with the dream work for which he was given complete freedom. Elementarily due to the fact that too early success did not teach him to appreciate it and he made too many wrong actions being blinded by fame and lack of control. Hollywood is full of such things.

Aqua's death at best made me feel upset at Aka for just throwing it away.

People defended it by saying that he was brave for sticking to actually killing him, but I find this story orchestrated in a greedy and cowardish way mainly for 2 reasons.
1) The twists and the leadup were more important to the consequences, Kamiki is a villain who gets a actress killed what a twist....he is actually innocent (if you ignore that previous scene somehow) he never meant for this to happen......no actually he did...what a twist.....Ruby doesn't know Aqua secret identity now she does what a twist and.....nothing comes out of that, maybe Aka can milk an extra LN or chapter by having them talk it out in a flashback.

2) The harem: Ruby,Kana,Akane even Mem-cho for a short while, they just rotated around Aqua, never got in a relationship, because that way Aka could maintain the illusion and the delusions of each fanbase that they were going to win, when realistically some of them would have looked and found a boyfriend, I think it makes the character less believable and robs them of the agency they should have, they feel less of their own person.

And well shit, everything else I wrote it before and others did, suicide glorification, Ruby's arc about wanting to be a sincere Idol and different from Aqua thrown away in the last chapter....and a thing that disgusts me as someone who is not Christian but has its own specific belief about the afterlife, that Aka could be so bleak about the afterlife and condemning the characters I love from Kaguya love is war, to the same ending.

EDIT: killing a main character, or doing a sudden twist at the end is not brave and is not new and one of the reasons why people are wary of Manga endings.
Make a ending that is CONSISTENT with what you set up, look at Lord of the Rings, look at Rocketeer, their endings might seem bland, easy "obvious", simple on a surface level, but are PERFECTLY CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SET UP, they are planned from start to end.

I could say that this perfectly shows how bold does not mean right and appropriate, and how drastic actions without good thought can ruin everything (This whole scandal is essentially a vivid example of how dangerous the risk is and it seems Aka himself understood this judging by the interview.), but here everything was executed so badly, with complete disregard for the manga and the characters before it, that you really can think that someone forced him or even that another person wrote it.

 

[TheBlackGamer]

This is just typical crap where people add love as the secret reason for every character interaction and say it makes sense now. At the same time, they often ignore much more serious facts about the personal lives of the characters, for example, how Akane sincerely loved Aqua to the point of obsession even when, according to their logic, she should have been Kana's simp. Or taking Kana's words about Akane's appearance out of context, even making it seem like a meaningless reference when it was meant to explain why Kana doesn't believe Aqua would prefer her. Same thing with the volume cover.

I just sum it to gay shipping garbage. Gay shippers IMHO are worse than your standard shippers because they try to logic stupid thinking for sake of a gay pairing. My hero with Ochako and Deku getting together shows me why I hate gay shippers so much. Stick to actual gay stories and don't push your garbage in stories where there is no actual indication for a gay pairing.

 

[xyzzy]

Man, at this point I can’t tell if Aka made the ending stupid accidentially or on purpose.

Well, at least there’s always fanfiction. There’s no rule that says you can’t write an alternate ending.

Here's a pretty interesting video of Chibi reviews about it. He even has an entire series of videous about how the ending of Oshi no Ko unfolded and how fans gradually became disillusioned with it.

Isn’t Chibi Reviews one of those outrage YouTubers? I wouldn’t really trust their judgment on things when like half of their videos are just intentionally riling you up

 

[Vicic]

Tears in the rain

 

[SuperOniichan]

Man, at this point I can’t tell if Aka made the ending stupid accidentially or on purpose.

Well, at least there’s always fanfiction. There’s no rule that says you can’t write an alternate ending.


Isn’t Chibi Reviews one of those outrage YouTubers? I wouldn’t really trust their judgment on things when like half of their videos are just intentionally riling you up

In this case, I more than agreed with him. Because I was really annoyed by all this crap and I found someone in him who not only agreed with me, but also helped me understand it better. Perhaps in another situation I would have disagreed with him or found his opinion controversial, but now I'm just angry like many others at the way Aka ended things. Even you seem to agree that things are so bad that you can't help but joke that you can believe he did it on purpose.

I just sum it to gay shipping garbage. Gay shippers IMHO are worse than your standard shippers because they try to logic stupid thinking for sake of a gay pairing. My hero with Ochako and Deku getting together shows me why I hate gay shippers so much. Stick to actual gay stories and don't push your garbage in stories where there is no actual indication for a gay pairing.

I understand why gay people like to turn characters gay and I don't see it as a problem in general. But such things can often give you worse examples of shipping goggles, because while in straight ships it is usually much easier for you to come up with an explanation for why Bob and Jane like each other, then in gay ships things very often come down to characters of the same sex interacting, which means they love each other.

 

[BetaNeko]

we have truly oshi no'd our last ko

 

[radstylix]

Aqua's confrontation with his dad really should NOT have been in some random cliff without witnesses.

IMO Hikaru should have been hiding by placing himself in places with lots of witnesses (just plain hiding is boring), but then Aqua thought he finally caught him alone, but Aqua got busted with the murder attempt and there are witnesses, including Ruby.

 

[Knighto]

Aqua's confrontation with his dad really should NOT have been in some random cliff without witnesses.

IMO Hikaru should have been hiding by placing himself in places with lots of witnesses (just plain hiding is boring), but then Aqua thought he finally caught him alone, but Aqua got busted with the murder attempt and there are witnesses, including Ruby.

isn't that how Akane gets the Ruby assassination attempt stopped and gets the people that was helping Hikaru in a sect like fashion??

 

[SuperOniichan]

Aqua's confrontation with his dad really should NOT have been in some random cliff without witnesses.

IMO Hikaru should have been hiding by placing himself in places with lots of witnesses (just plain hiding is boring), but then Aqua thought he finally caught him alone, but Aqua got busted with the murder attempt and there are witnesses, including Ruby.

isn't that how Akane gets the Ruby assassination attempt stopped and gets the people that was helping Hikaru in a sect like fashion??

The live action effectively corrected this by

Spoiler

portraying Aqua as a man who wanted to live, who was injured by Kamiki during an attack on Ruby and therefore killed him at the cost of his life in response to the latter's provocation.

That is, although they still kept his death, you can clearly say that the ending of the manga was objectively poorly written and poorly founded and even the creators of the adaptation actually admitted this. But overall, it looks very, very strange indeed. Because as some people wrote, Ruby had previously found herself in a similar situation and was saved with the help of friends and family. Very successfully rescued. What stopped Aqua from doing the same, especially given his good mind and manipulative planning skills? Only if Aka was not in accelerated mode to kill him at any cost.

Extra raises questions about this even further, revealing that Miyako may well have been working to protect the lives and reputations of her employees back when her son and daughter were in danger (especially looking back at the story of Akane’s suicide, which clearly showed the danger of cyberbullying and related things back then), or as Taiki rightly pointed out, suicide would effectively be abandoning your loved ones while you must live for their sake. You really start to think that Aka forcibly interfered with the natural development of things and characters in order to force them to follow the path of death he needed.

 

[Mira995]

btw, I totally forgot since it was so irrelevant, but did Ruby know she has another brother ?

 

[SuperOniichan]

btw, I totally forgot since it was so irrelevant, but did Ruby know she has another brother ?

I honestly don't remember, but people on Twitter were joking that Taiki's interaction with her was essentially limited to passing a bottle of water or something like that.

 

[akukai]

I probably missed it but can you point me to where it is mentioned

Page 4, it's kinda obfuscated but it seems to be "Tokyo Blade [man]gaka Samejima Abiko announ[ces her m]arriage on Social Media."

Stuff in brackets are just guesses based on the context tho

 

[schmackinthedack]

To make things weirder, this page actually portrays him as Ruby's more mature and sensible brother, as he has the brains to not commit suicide and actually live for the people he cares about. It's unlikely that Aka realized it, but this is a huge "take that" towards Aqua.

the irony considering Aqua is 30 something years older than him mentally

 

[redditkid6]

well the yuri bait pairing was made mostly because Akane can't help herself for being a Kana fangirl, Kana on the other side never gave a hint for the bait.

the incest route, ngl would have made sense, but author too much of a coward to actually talk about it, specially since we clearly got Aqua in love with Kana, so he should have shot down Ruby during the series and not make a friggin gag about him being a brocon.

I think the worst part is the after of the people around them, Kana, Akane and Taiki having shitty lives it just plain sucks, like it's showing that it has passed more time since the ending and they are still destroyed by the lost.

In the end, Akasaka maybe was salty because he pulled another serialization while doing Oshi no ko (inspired by the success of 100 gf), and although it had a really strong start it fizzled super fast and got the axe, probably why he wanted to f*ck us over too.

it feels like he hasn't really matured after doing Ib, like he got great success with Kaguya but couldn't actually enjoy it.
ffs I started reading Kaguya since it started as a monthly series, mostly because I found Ib good at the time and even when Kaguya's last part wasn't as good at least I could have faith in OnK being another chance to get better as an author, sadly I'm not sure I would try to read another work of his with the same expectation, like read a little and drop because he would try to ruin it again

he basically represents , Akasaka really trashed his characters.

yeah, this is a bit doomed

honestly I wonder if akasaka will ever get back to fix ib as he said

anyways thanks translators for the tl