Risou no Himo Seikatsu - Vol. 16 Ch. 65 - Heritage

[Raydnt]

I dont understand why sevenseas would censor a sex joke when this series literally has sex scenes...
What a clown company

 

[Hikage255]

I agree with the end page, localizers are shit these days and need to be purged

 

[maxman14]

Thank you for the good translation!

 

[MesaOracle]

Most casual readers are just now finding out how bad localizers are, mostly due to the Japanese being done with the bullshit pulled by said localizers. I personally don't care if Japan switches to AI translations for manga and anime. Coddling the toddlers that take it upon themselves to be the moral and virtue police of the industry in the west needs to end with the localizers out of a job.

 

[RonBWL]

The Sea of Calm is quite an interesting tool. I love strange effects like that.

Also, thanks for the release. In saddened by the official quality, but that is how it has always been, and why I have always preferred fan translations.

I do miss the olden days when small publishers didn't censor much of anything, because they didn't know what would sell. There wasn't much of pervasive "anime is for kids" vibe.

I suppose there is some merit that they at least look at the source enough to notice a way to censor it, instead of just running it through an AI translator and not caring about what comes out.

Presumably an actual TL did the job correctly, but when the script was handed over to an "Editor", that guy just decided to change it for the sake of "PG-13". Official TL is always fucked up like this, sometimes the original TL themselves weren't even at fault.

 

[radstylix]

• Oh boy she's really gonna go for it on their honeymoon huh 😏
• I thought it's gonna be a magic globe or something (since it's literally a giant globe), but this is cool too.
• So the localizers (eww) have been censoring this Captain Princess all this time? For shame!

 

[Aricitic]

The Sea of Calm is quite an interesting tool. I love strange effects like that.

Also, thanks for the release. In saddened by the official quality, but that is how it has always been, and why I have always preferred fan translations.

I do miss the olden days when small publishers didn't censor much of anything, because they didn't know what would sell. There wasn't much of pervasive "anime is for kids" vibe.

I suppose there is some merit that they at least look at the source enough to notice a way to censor it, instead of just running it through an AI translator and not caring about what comes out.

I agree with everything... Except for the middle paragraph. Unless your "olden days" was back when Anime and Manga were so niche that it was effectively "adult content" when brought over to the west, then I hate to remind you: Tenchi Mayo, Cardcaptor Sakura (a.k.a. Cardcaptors), Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball (original, Z, probably GT), and I know there were more, but my already poor memory is falling me.
The (admittedly) Anime (versions) I mentioned above when released (at least in the US) were on children's networks. They were ALL censored to varying degrees of bullshittery.

So, unless your "olden days" was before then, I have to remind you that (at least in the US) they were cowards long before now. On the other hand, if your "olden days" was before then I still must say that at that time it was basically seen as pornography and therefore had no reason to be censored. (That is going based on what I was able to find myself as a child - which, yes, mostly consisted of what could easily be considered pornographic in nature, up until the aforementioned Cartoon Network, WB, and Nickelodeon[?] releases, so it's entirety possible that I was just extremely limited in my exposure to what was "officially" released in the US. Basing this on the very limited selection at video rental locations around the various locations I lived in).

 

[Aricitic]

I agree with everything... Except for the middle paragraph. Unless your "olden days" was back when Anime and Manga were so niche that it was effectively "adult content" when brought over to the west, then I hate to remind you: Tenchi Mayo, Cardcaptor Sakura (a.k.a. Cardcaptors), Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball (original, Z, probably GT), and I know there were more, but my already poor memory is falling me.
The (admittedly) Anime (versions) I mentioned above when released (at least in the US) were on children's networks. They were ALL censored to varying degrees of bullshittery.

So, unless your "olden days" was before then, I have to remind you that (at least in the US) they were cowards long before now. On the other hand, if your "olden days" was before then I still must say that at that time it was basically seen as pornography and therefore had no reason to be censored. (That is going based on what I was able to find myself as a child - which, yes, mostly consisted of what could easily be considered pornographic in nature, up until the aforementioned Cartoon Network, WB, and Nickelodeon[?] releases, so it's entirety possible that I was just extremely limited in my exposure to what was "officially" released in the US. Basing this on the very limited selection at video rental locations around the various locations I lived in).

Also, on another note, hence the response to my own post...
If the Japanese Mangaka and original Authors are getting tired of the western "bullshitery", and that isn't much of a big if, then they might start looking into contacting the (often clearly better) fan translation groups. If they can offer something like official endorsement (and/or actual financing) I sincerely doubt that the "fan" translators would have any issues whatsoever with their translations being used officially...
The only problem then is finding a physical publisher to print the officially edited fan translations. This could easily be resolved by online publishing, but that has all the drawbacks of "online publishing" and lacks the benefits of physical copies (which is less of an issue for the original content creators and more of an issue for the consumers).

 

[Meowzilla]

For what it's worth, J-Novel's official translations of the original novels keeps Freya's sailor talk.

 

[isoycrazy]

Hm. There is no gold worth a person's dignity and name. They are really trying to get their hooks into the couple.

And then this will piss off the main guy all the more.

Bravo, you idiots.

 

[dahhv2]

I thought it's going to be a glorified globe. Next

 

[Newbii]

I'm dumb... can someone kindly explain why her accepting the gift while not in red be something bad?

 

[xyzzy]

Ty for the tl. Indeed lolcowlizers are just the worst. They vandalize other people's work without care in the world. Fuck them and their colonizing roots.

As opposed to fan translators, who take the utmost care by using Google Translate?

 

[Kikaibaka]

I'm dumb... can someone kindly explain why her accepting the gift while not in red be something bad?

The Twin Kingdoms have been trying to cut Zenjirou and the Capua Kingdom out of the negotiations so they can deal exclusively with Freya from the beginning so as to reforge the connection to their former homeland. Remember that Zenjirou and by extension the Capua Kingdom are acting as essentially a proxy for Freya and by extension Uppsala(except when she is wearing Red, which shows she is representing herself as Capua Kingdom's/Zenjirou's guest) in these negotiations, so any opportunity the Twin Kingdoms can take to remove the proxy from the board they will seize that opportunity and Freya needing magic tools was the opening they took.

 

[GridLite]

just scam the fuck out of them lmao looks like they want to put a wedge between freya and mommy milkers, and possibly put the capua kingdom into internal turmoil just for kicks.

 

[Asthanos]

The Twin Kingdoms have been trying to cut Zenjirou and the Capua Kingdom out of the negotiations so they can deal exclusively with Freya from the beginning so as to reforge the connection to their former homeland. Remember that Zenjirou and by extension the Capua Kingdom are acting as essentially a proxy for Freya and by extension Uppsala(except when she is wearing Red, which shows she is representing herself as Capua Kingdom's/Zenjirou's guest) in these negotiations, so any opportunity the Twin Kingdoms can take to remove the proxy from the board they will seize that opportunity and Freya needing magic tools was the opening they took.

yeah, that was also the reason why Luchino asked if she had considered doing an indirect trade through the southern countries. He knew from the start what Freya's answer would be and he only asked as an indirect way of telling her that they would also like to do the same, bypass the middlemen (in his case Capua).

 

[BlackAeronaut]

The end page pretty much sums up my feelings on seven seas in general, they tend to be censor happy, which considering how both raunchy and niche manga can be in general, feels like pearl clutching where literally no one, even pearl clutchers, would want it.

Also, thanks for the release. In saddened by the official quality, but that is how it has always been, and why I have always preferred fan translations.

Ty for the tl. Indeed lolcowlizers are just the worst. They vandalize other people's work without care in the world. Fuck them and their colonizing roots.

buy the raw

I dont understand why sevenseas would censor a sex joke when this series literally has sex scenes...
What a clown company

It's like what I've said before - if you really want to support the manga-ka, this is the best way to do it.

Folks sometimes forget that the sales figures for licensed translations count for exactly NOTHING to the Japanese publishers. Their interest is solely in the sales figures back home. Reason being? When they make these licensing deals, there's no accounting for the sales figures. They simply sell the publication rights at a fixed cost with no scaling or adjustment for the number of copies actually sold.

And then the publisher in Japan pockets most of the money from selling the rights to publish in a given region, and the Mangaka sees very little of this money, if any at all!

And I seriously doubt this system is going to change because it presents extremely little risk for the publishers in Japan. They invest practically nothing except for the time and legal fees spent in negotiation, and everything else is nothing but profit for them. All of the risk is being taken on by the foreign publisher as they're the onse who have have to invest in translation, printing, distribution, and marketing.

Buying the raws yourself not only ensures more of your money goes to the mangaka, but also boosts the sales figures in Japan, which is the REAL determining factor in whether or not a manga gets to continue publication.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Also, on another note, hence the response to my own post...
If the Japanese Mangaka and original Authors are getting tired of the western "bullshitery", and that isn't much of a big if, then they might start looking into contacting the (often clearly better) fan translation groups. If they can offer something like official endorsement (and/or actual financing) I sincerely doubt that the "fan" translators would have any issues whatsoever with their translations being used officially...
The only problem then is finding a physical publisher to print the officially edited fan translations. This could easily be resolved by online publishing, but that has all the drawbacks of "online publishing" and lacks the benefits of physical copies (which is less of an issue for the original content creators and more of an issue for the consumers).

I think a lot of Mangaka would like to do this, except that the issue is with the publishers in Japan. They often have a clause of exclusive publishing rights where only the publisher can decide on who gets the right to publish licensed translations.

The only way around this would be if the mangaka could self-publish their own work and maintain sole IP ownership so they can decide for themselves who to license distribution rights of translated versions of their work.

 

[Claith]

I agree with everything... Except for the middle paragraph. Unless your "olden days" was back when Anime and Manga were so niche that it was effectively "adult content" when brought over to the west, then I hate to remind you: Tenchi Mayo, Cardcaptor Sakura (a.k.a. Cardcaptors), Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball (original, Z, probably GT), and I know there were more, but my already poor memory is falling me.
The (admittedly) Anime (versions) I mentioned above when released (at least in the US) were on children's networks. They were ALL censored to varying degrees of bullshittery.

So, unless your "olden days" was before then, I have to remind you that (at least in the US) they were cowards long before now. On the other hand, if your "olden days" was before then I still must say that at that time it was basically seen as pornography and therefore had no reason to be censored. (That is going based on what I was able to find myself as a child - which, yes, mostly consisted of what could easily be considered pornographic in nature, up until the aforementioned Cartoon Network, WB, and Nickelodeon[?] releases, so it's entirety possible that I was just extremely limited in my exposure to what was "officially" released in the US. Basing this on the very limited selection at video rental locations around the various locations I lived in).

First off, I'm in a bit of a manic mode, so I will ramble. Ignore this as "old man yells at cloud" and you'll likely be happier.

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I'm thinking of the days before Cartoon Network showing anime on Toonami in the afternoons (long before they started and ended up migrating to "Midnight Run"). I've got VHS tapes / DVDs of Akira, Elfin Lied, Serial Experiements: Lain, Evangelion, or even the stupid Ranma 1/2 (which has a lot of toplessness), and things like that. Those would never be on Toonami. I remember being age gated out of Heavy Metal at Blockbuster. Hmm. Shows like this are now shown on streaming services. I'm a fan of Dorohedoro or Berserk, for example.

So, I guess it is actually less of an issue in the anime sphere. Is there a comic / novel service that works on the edgier works? The services I've seen seem to be fragmented so I can never get what I'd want on a single service, so it isn't worth investing to me. Also, I'd rather just buy the digital versions instead of a subscription, like I own digital versions of GUNNM (humble bundle sale ).

I wonder what would be considered the most extreme of the "family friendly" impression that'd be shown mainstream. DanMachi? They spend far too much time talking about breasts at the start of the second season, I stopped watching. Added nothing to the show or story. .... Maybe Ghost in the Shell: SAC? I wouldn't touch Made in Abyss with an 11 foot pole if I were them. (no idea of the current line ups)

The Sci Fi channel (long before the name change) used to have hard sci-fi anime movies on the weekends. That was great. Saw Appleseed.

Now that I think about it, I'm still miffed that Cartoon Network didn't air an episode of Outlaw Star (can see it on the DVD bundle I got) that had hot spring fan service, while the main character was trying to climb a mountain and kept being tossed off said mountain into the springs with the female cast or others. In the first episode they censored a poster above the MC's (Gene Starwind) bed of a topless lady. Neither change really affected the story and characters though, so it was enjoyable still.

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I suppose the issue is two fold. The production side is less experimental (no 52 episode seasons any more for example), but I'm not sure if the more extreme shows are being made less often or just at a lower ratio to the overall number of productions, and the other issue could be the localizing side which may pick and choose more strictly.

If anything, I really don't want to or have the time to research and write an anthropology paper about cultural trends, but my perspective as someone that spent far too much time watching anime growing up and is now closer to 40 than I realize on any given day, is likely different from most. Also, my opinion is just that. My opinion.... until I dig up production facts, which I stated I don't want to do.


..... man, I miss Tenchi Muyo. The story itself wasn't great, but I loved the universe. Each additional show in the said universe just got worse though.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

..... man, I miss Tenchi Muyo. The story itself wasn't great, but I loved the universe. Each additional show in the said universe just got worse though.

Oh man, are there ever reasons for this. DM me if you want to know more - it's a bit derailing for this thread.